Things That Should Be Common Knowledge By Now

[Ifreann]

On the contrary, the fact that we can't obtain meaningful consent from animals is exactly why sex with them should be illegal and considered rape.

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Because the animal has little to no understanding of what is going on, much like someone who has been drugged or isn't fully conscious.

People getting away with some forms of abuse doesn't make other forms of abuse acceptable, and holy fuck why did I have to say that to an adult person?

If a man is laying down, his hands at his sides, doing nothing, and a woman who is drunk walks over to him and hops on his dick for a spin, is it rape?

Since the man did not consent, any sex act performed on him is rape. Please tell me you're not turning into one of the "it's not rape unless you resist" people.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So he raped her by not doing anything?

Either he did nothing, thus taking advantage of the situation. (He rapes.)
Or he tries to stop her, and she doesn't allow him. (He is raped.)

No, I'm sorry. Him laying there doing nothing is not rape of the woman.

[Saiwania]

imo if you're on the receiving end without training the animal to do it or forcing it to do it, the consent must be there. i.e. the animal chooses to put it's penis in your hidey hole, it cannot be rape.

What if the animal is raping the person? I would think that would be a more likely scenario than someone consenting to sex with an animal. So far as I'm aware, a dolphin ejaculating inside of a human female could be potentially lethal for her, because it shoots out at a much higher force.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

So he raped her by not doing anything?

Either he did nothing, thus taking advantage of the situation. (He rapes.)
Or he tries to stop her, and she doesn't allow him. (He is raped.)

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

None is raped. Sex is delicious and fun. (Everybody wins.)

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

If a man is laying down, his hands at his sides, doing nothing, and a woman who is drunk walks over to him and hops on his dick for a spin, is it rape?

Since the man did not consent, then any sex act performed on him is rape. Please tell me you're not turning into one of the "it's not rape unless you resist" people.

I aM tAlKiNg AbOuT wHeThEr ThE wOmAn WaS rApEd.

[Conscentia]

[...]at least not our rape, that is much more than just sex without consent.[...]

Er, "our rape" is exactly just sex without consent.

[Conscentia]

Either he did nothing, thus taking advantage of the situation. (He rapes.)
Or he tries to stop her, and she doesn't allow him. (He is raped.)

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
None is raped. Sex is delicious and fun. (Everybody wins.)

I hope you aren't being serious.

[Conscentia]

Either he did nothing, thus taking advantage of the situation. (He rapes.)
Or he tries to stop her, and she doesn't allow him. (He is raped.)

No, I'm sorry. Him laying there doing nothing is not rape of the woman.

Him laying and allowing her to do it is taking advantage of her in a state in which she cannot give valid consent.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

[...]at least not our rape, that is much more than just sex without consent.[...]

Er, "our rape" is exactly just sex without consent.

We incarcerate rapists for invading people and inflicting many sorts of pain on them. Not just giving them surprise ~action as normal as sleeping or eating~.

[Ifreann]

Either he did nothing, thus taking advantage of the situation. (He rapes.)
Or he tries to stop her, and she doesn't allow him. (He is raped.)

No, I'm sorry. Him laying there doing nothing is not rape of the woman.

Someone too drunk to consent is not going to be wandering around hopping on the dicks of inexplicably immobile men.

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Since the man did not consent, then any sex act performed on him is rape. Please tell me you're not turning into one of the "it's not rape unless you resist" people.

I aM tAlKiNg AbOuT wHeThEr ThE wOmAn WaS rApEd.

No, you're talking about a hypothetical that isn't at all comparable to having sex with an animal as though it proves that it is okay to have sex with an animal.

[Qahadim]

Since the man did not consent, then any sex act performed on him is rape. Please tell me you're not turning into one of the "it's not rape unless you resist" people.

I aM tAlKiNg AbOuT wHeThEr ThE wOmAn WaS rApEd.

She's hopping onto him, of her own free will? Regardless of get inebriation, she is freely choosing to "take him for a spin"?

Not rape of the woman.

[Conscentia]

Er, "our rape" is exactly just sex without consent.

We incarcerate rapists for invading people and inflicting many sorts of pain on them. Not just giving them surprise ~action as normal as sleeping or eating~.

Sex without consent is not just "surprise sex".

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
None is raped. Sex is delicious and fun. (Everybody wins.)

I hope you aren't being serious.

I don't have how to be raped in a multitude of ways having experience over all the different possible feels to give my say (but then, would I really be raped if I was looking for it?).
I don't even know how sex is.

But I wish I could know for then be serious.

[Conscentia]

I aM tAlKiNg AbOuT wHeThEr ThE wOmAn WaS rApEd.

She's hopping onto him, of her own free will? Regardless of get inebriation, she is freely choosing to "take him for a spin"?

Not rape of the woman.

Her consent is not valid. She is intoxicated. The consent of the intoxicated is not valid.

It is acceptable for to validate her consent when she is not intoxicated, but until then, the consent is not present.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

We incarcerate rapists for invading people and inflicting many sorts of pain on them. Not just giving them surprise ~action as normal as sleeping or eating~.

Sex without consent is not just "surprise sex".

If someone started to put its dick inside you like they do in the African savannas of cable TV, and you didn't give a fuck even if you had no moral code and just did what your wishes command you to, it would be just a kind of surprise sex.

[Conscentia]

I hope you aren't being serious.

I don't have how to be raped in a multitude of ways having experience over all the different possible feels to give my say (but then, would I really be raped if I was looking for it?).
I don't even know how sex is.

But I wish I could know for then be serious.

And in English?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No, I'm sorry. Him laying there doing nothing is not rape of the woman.

Him laying and allowing her to do it is taking advantage of her in a state in which she cannot give valid consent.

He is not coercing her, forcing her, or talking her into it. She may be drunk, but it does not mean he should be incarcerated for her actions upon him.

[Conscentia]

Sex without consent is not just "surprise sex".

If someone started to put its dick inside you like they do in the African savannas of cable TV, and you didn't give a fuck even if you had no moral code and just did what your wishes command you to, it would be just a kind of surprise sex.

[Qahadim]

She's hopping onto him, of her own free will? Regardless of get inebriation, she is freely choosing to "take him for a spin"?

Not rape of the woman.

Her consent is not valid. She is intoxicated. The consent of the intoxicated is not valid.

It is acceptable for to validate her consent when she is not intoxicated, but until then, the consent is not present.

I'm sorry no. "I was drunk" does not excuse that she willingly jumped on him and went to town. If she is not accountable because of her inebriation than neither is a person who shoots/stabs/bashes the head in of another human being while under similar influences. Sorry, that defense does NOT fly.

[Conscentia]

Him laying and allowing her to do it is taking advantage of her in a state in which she cannot give valid consent.

He is not coercing her, forcing her, or talking her into it. She may be drunk, but it does not mean he should be incarcerated for her actions upon him.

But consent is not present. He is exploiting her.

He could avoid the legal consequences if:
a. he stops her, and waits until she is capable of giving valid consent.
b. she validates her consent when she becomes sober.

[Conscentia]

Her consent is not valid. She is intoxicated. The consent of the intoxicated is not valid.

It is acceptable for to validate her consent when she is not intoxicated, but until then, the consent is not present.

I'm sorry no. "I was drunk" does not excuse that agree willingly jumped on him and went to town. If she is not accountable because of her inebriation than neither is a person who shoots/stabs/bashes the head in of another human being while under similar influences. Sorry, that defense does NOT fly.

It's not a defence. You misinterpret my words, sir.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

No, I'm sorry. Him laying there doing nothing is not rape of the woman.

Someone too drunk to consent is not going to be wandering around hopping on the dicks of inexplicably immobile men.

I sure am.

Hell, even look at complete strangers in a restroom and if they react positively... or neutral or negatively... I will probably try.

That is why I am not going to be intoxicated, and why I never liked to go around naked with other men next to me. Dicks are magical and they attract me heavily since I'm 7. Can't explain it.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

He is not coercing her, forcing her, or talking her into it. She may be drunk, but it does not mean he should be incarcerated for her actions upon him.

But consent is not present. He is exploiting her.

He could avoid the legal consequences if:
a. he stops her, and waits until she is capable of giving valid consent.
b. she validates her consent when she becomes sober.

rape
noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

He did not rape her.

[Ifreann]

Him laying and allowing her to do it is taking advantage of her in a state in which she cannot give valid consent.

He is not coercing her, forcing her, or talking her into it. She may be drunk, but it does not mean he should be incarcerated for her actions upon him.

They had sex. She did not consent. No amount of contrivances about some perfect level of drunkenness that leaves one incapable of consent but capable of climbing onto dicks makes this anything other than rape, and arguing otherwise looks really, really bad.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

He is not coercing her, forcing her, or talking her into it. She may be drunk, but it does not mean he should be incarcerated for her actions upon him.

They had sex. She did not consent. No amount of contrivances about some perfect level of drunkenness that leaves one incapable of consent but capable of climbing onto dicks makes this anything other than rape, and arguing otherwise looks really, really bad.

Except that no, a drunken person initiating sex does not mean that the person was raped.