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Is inequality a bad thing?

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Your Thoughts on Inequality

It's just a natural thing created by a free market, it's nothing to worry about.
81
22%
I don't like it, but it's not awful.
45
12%
Inequality? That'll show them poor!
1
0%
It's a wonderful thing!
19
5%
Don't care/Neutral
13
4%
It's bad, and we should take small measures to get rid of it
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17%
It's horrible, and we should take big measures to get rid of it.
145
40%
 
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:40 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It's also not what anyone is actually debating, which is why I'm wondering why you dedicated a post to it.


I'm presenting my points on the topic of ''inequality''. Not walking into a debate...

This is not a debate forum... this is a forum. Debate is a possibility but not all posts are as adversarial as yours Mavo...


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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Agritum » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:40 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It's also not what anyone is actually debating, which is why I'm wondering why you dedicated a post to it.


I'm presenting my points on the topic of ''inequality''. Not walking into a debate...

This is not a debate forum... this is a forum. Debate is a possibility but not all posts are as adversarial as yours Mavo...

I did not enter this post and put something up thinking ''hey how can I outsmart, outdebate, out-talk, out-screw someone here and be the alpha''...

although this seems to be YOUR attitude otherwise YOU would not have dedicated a post just to satirize, debase my opinions and try to make them seem insignificant.

See now I am forced to defend myself from attacks like this... there used to be a day when people walked into a forum to express their opinions, and they were unmolested from the debater types. YOU for some odd reason, seem to think that everything everyone posts has to be some sort of confrontational, divisive, adversarial, debate rhetoric against something ''someone else argued.'' FAIL...

I get it, you dislike having your opinions questioned. Free speech is tough, man.

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Postby Forsher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:40 am

Norstal wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
''Is ''inequality'' a bad thing?''... when someone runs faster than someone else... that's a form of inequality right there.

Does that make every inequality good?

Obviously some form of inequality is good. Someone who has an unkempt beard shouldn't get a job to someone who shaved.

But it doesn't mean that female having a harder time getting a job is a good thing.


Your example is a bit suspect. Actually, now I'm trying to figure out if it's badly written or just my 3:30am mind. Initially I thought it said something like "Clean shaven people should get jobs over people with unkempt beards." If that's what it is saying I think that needs to be given the qualifier (?) "For a job where appearance matters." (To be honest, a beard would probably be an advantage in certain out-doors work... it's remarkable how much colder shaving can make one's face.)
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Postby Norstal » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:41 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
I'm presenting my points on the topic of ''inequality''. Not walking into a debate...

This is not a debate forum... this is a forum. Debate is a possibility but not all posts are as adversarial as yours Mavo...


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Postby Luveria » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:41 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Luveria wrote:Are you channelling Hitler's spirit?


No he's telling the truth...

You're forgetting he's so hyper-capitalist he calls Libertarians communist.

Jassysworth 1 wrote:Inequality encourages people to compete and be the very best they can, leading to a vibrant, progressive and transformative society.

Uhuh, not being able to afford healthcare or education sure encourages people to be the very best they can be. Right. How the fuck does that work. It doesn't.

Jassysworth 1 wrote:''Equality'' almost always ends up promoting mediocrity and conformity across society. It's the sort of ideals that allow people like Stalin to take power, oppress and murder millions...

Nice strawman. It has nothing to do with equality of outcome.

Maybe I should cite Pinochet as an example of 'inequality' at work, but I'm not quite daft enough to bring up unrelated things.

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Postby Norstal » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:41 am

Forsher wrote:
Norstal wrote:Does that make every inequality good?

Obviously some form of inequality is good. Someone who has an unkempt beard shouldn't get a job to someone who shaved.

But it doesn't mean that female having a harder time getting a job is a good thing.


Your example is a bit suspect. Actually, now I'm trying to figure out if it's badly written or just my 3:30am mind. Initially I thought it said something like "Clean shaven people should get jobs over people with unkempt beards." If that's what it is saying I think that needs to be given the qualifier (?) "For a job where appearance matters." (To be honest, a beard would probably be an advantage in certain out-doors work... it's remarkable how much colder shaving can make one's face.)

I did just woke up, so it's not like I'll have the writing ability of Shakespeare.
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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:43 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
I'm presenting my points on the topic of ''inequality''. Not walking into a debate...

This is not a debate forum... this is a forum. Debate is a possibility but not all posts are as adversarial as yours Mavo...


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So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate. Every post can be to start a discussion, join a discussion, start a debate, join a debate or some combination of these.

NOWHERE does it say... every post must continue or start a debate or else it is ''STOOPID LOLZ.''

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Postby Forsher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 am

Norstal wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Your example is a bit suspect. Actually, now I'm trying to figure out if it's badly written or just my 3:30am mind. Initially I thought it said something like "Clean shaven people should get jobs over people with unkempt beards." If that's what it is saying I think that needs to be given the qualifier (?) "For a job where appearance matters." (To be honest, a beard would probably be an advantage in certain out-doors work... it's remarkable how much colder shaving can make one's face.)

I did just woke up, so it's not like I'll have the writing ability of Shakespeare.


That's cool. For example, the "woke" typo. The difference is that isn't hindering communication but then my eyes are burning right now so... I will need to re-evaluate in my morning (i.e. the afternoon).
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:


So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate. Every post can be to start a discussion, join a discussion, start a debate, join a debate or some combination of these.

NOWHERE does it say... every post must continue or start a debate or else it is ''STOOPID LOLZ.''


If you don't like it then don't post. I'm sure there are other forums exclusively for discussing and not debating.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate.'

Which is why I started a discussion by asking you why you chose to dedicate a post to a point not a single person is arguing.

Instead of a sensible reaponse, I get you bitching and moaning that this isn't a debate forum when it is.
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Postby Agritum » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:


So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate. Every post can be to start a discussion, join a discussion, start a debate, join a debate or some combination of these.

NOWHERE does it say... every post must continue or start a debate or else it is ''STOOPID LOLZ.''

It's fun, since now you are having a DEBATE on wheter General is or isn't a debate forum.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:46 am

Agritum wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate. Every post can be to start a discussion, join a discussion, start a debate, join a debate or some combination of these.

NOWHERE does it say... every post must continue or start a debate or else it is ''STOOPID LOLZ.''

It's fun, since now you are having a DEBATE on wheter General is or isn't a debate forum.

No. Thid isn't a debate. This is him pissing at the wind because I asked a question.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Forsher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:47 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:


So what's your point exactly?

''discussion AND debate'' ... not JUST debate. Every post can be to start a discussion, join a discussion, start a debate, join a debate or some combination of these.

NOWHERE does it say... every post must continue or start a debate or else it is ''STOOPID LOLZ.''


The Question is, "What is stopping Mavorpen starting a debate with you?" Oh, yeah, that's right... nothing.

NSG operates under the assumption that people will voice their disagreement with ideas they don't like. "Debates" don't have to start but don't react this way... it's weird given the purpose of NSG (especially given the whole discussion bit, not much idea exchange happening here).
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Postby Quiet-Riot » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:47 am

It's a wonderful thing.

Nature thrives on inequality. When humans come and try to tip the scales in favor of equality, it won't work.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:47 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:Inequality encourages people to compete and be the very best they can, leading to a vibrant, progressive and transformative society.

And die fighting in the process, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X need not die if the society was equal and people were not bigoted in the first place, now would they?
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Postby Forsher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:48 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Agritum wrote:It's fun, since now you are having a DEBATE on wheter General is or isn't a debate forum.

No. Thid isn't a debate. This is him pissing at the wind because I asked a question.


In other words? Typical NSG debate.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:48 am

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Mavorpen wrote:No. Thid isn't a debate. This is him pissing at the wind because I asked a question.


In other words? Typical NSG debate.

You stop speaking the truth this second.
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Postby Zonolia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:49 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:Inequality encourages people to compete and be the very best they can, leading to a vibrant, progressive and transformative society.


And what if they're very best is, comparatively, not the best out there? Are they to suffer?
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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:49 am

Forsher wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No. Thid isn't a debate. This is him pissing at the wind because I asked a question.


In other words? Typical NSG debate.

Win.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:51 am

Forsher wrote:NSG operates under the assumption that people will voice their disagreement with ideas they don't like.

That's what I like about NSG. If I have idiotic ideas then people won't hesitate to clear that up for me. I appreciate that unlike some certain people who get pissy anyone would dare rightfully question them.

Forsher wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No. Thid isn't a debate. This is him pissing at the wind because I asked a question.


In other words? Typical NSG debate.

Debates are often unrelated to the topic at hand.

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Jassysworth 1 wrote:Inequality encourages people to compete and be the very best they can, leading to a vibrant, progressive and transformative society.

And die fighting in the process, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X need not die if the society was equal and people were not bigoted in the first place, now would they?

Inequality was forcing blacks to compete and be the very best they could be. Apartheid America was a vibrant, progressive, and transformative society. Ohwait it wasn't. I wonder why.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:56 am

Luveria wrote:Inequality was forcing blacks to compete and be the very best they could be. Apartheid America was a vibrant, progressive, and transformative society. Ohwait it wasn't. I wonder why.

Fighting for the rights isn't what is glorious, having rights is.
That's the problem with society, we should celebrate what fighting achieves not fighting itself.
Recently saw the quote "To get rid of war we must make peace honourable" or something like that, forgot who said it though, any clue?
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Chinese Regions wrote:
Luveria wrote:Inequality was forcing blacks to compete and be the very best they could be. Apartheid America was a vibrant, progressive, and transformative society. Ohwait it wasn't. I wonder why.

Fighting for the rights isn't what is glorious, having rights is.
That's the problem with society, we should celebrate what fighting achieves not fighting itself.
Recently saw the quote "To get rid of war we must make peace honourable" or something like that, forgot who said it though, any clue?

I haven't said or implied fighting for rights is glorious.

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Postby Rhodesi » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:00 am

Of course not. The old saying 'We can't all be chief's, or there'd be no Indians" very much holds true here, as we need, as a society, unskilled, uneducated people in order for it to function. I mean, where would the West be without the lower classes of Africa and Asia?
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Postby Forsher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:09 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
In other words? Typical NSG debate.

You stop speaking the truth this second.


Easily done. I'm going to bed. After just one more post.

Luveria wrote:
Forsher wrote:NSG operates under the assumption that people will voice their disagreement with ideas they don't like.

That's what I like about NSG. If I have idiotic ideas then people won't hesitate to clear that up for me. I appreciate that unlike some certain people who get pissy anyone would dare rightfully question them.


Some people get weird if just for quoting their posts. Stranger things have happened though.

Forsher wrote:
In other words? Typical NSG debate.

Debates are often unrelated to the topic at hand.


True. This is one of them, thread's meant to be about inequality... which I suppose does mean that it's actually about what NSG is here for.
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Postby Topkekia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:14 am

I'm surprised so many people voted that inequality is bad. Has half of NS turned into anarchists and communists recently?
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