Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Hushabagain]

Have fun defending my freedoms.

I care not for defending "freedom", I have more important reasons for enlisting. Honor, discipline, and maintenance of order.

Anchors away. I don't care about your reasons. So long as my freedom is intact, you have my eternal gratitude for your service. Thanks for freedom!

[Katganistan]

"AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Republican lawmakers in Texas passed a bill that would give the state some of the nation's most restrictive abortion laws and force most of its clinics to close, leading Democrats to promise a fight over the contentious measure in the courts and at the ballot box.

More than 2,000 demonstrators filled the Capitol building in Austin to voice their opposition to the bill, including six protesters who were dragged out of the Senate chamber by state troopers for trying to disrupt the debate. The Republican majority passed the bill unchanged late Friday — just before midnight — with all but one Democrat voting against it.

"Today the Texas Legislature took its final step in our historic effort to protect life," said Gov. Rick Perry, who will sign the bill into law in the next few days. "This legislation builds on the strong and unwavering commitment we have made to defend life and protect women's health..."
<http://news.yahoo.com/texas-republicans-finally-pass-abortion-limits-133816571.html>

I apologize in advance for the poor OP.

Looks like Texas has done it! They passed a bill that will restrict abortions! I'm quite excited about this and hope other states will follow suit. What are your opinions, thoughts, etc??? Do you think that this will be upheld in Court? Discuss!

I hope the people of Texas not only get it repealed but have each and every one of these misogynistic dust farts replaced next election.

Yes, please, let's go back to the 18th century.

[Vazdania]

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh? Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

oooh look at adorable little olde Idaho :3

[Liriena]

By the way, for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse. Here's an idea: legalize euthanasia and allow the fetus to grow up and determine that him or herself.

The fetus is not a person mentally or legally capable of consent. In fact, it's not a person at all. It has no right to life, any more than my appendix does, at least. But sure, let's legalize euthanasia.

[Tlaceceyaya]

In 2010, 15.1 percent of all persons lived in poverty.
57% of abortions are done by those 15.1%.
So poverty is an extreme driving force in the choice to have an abortion.

Now who's fault is that? intense urge to say catchphrase must be resisted.

Whose fault is it?
Yours. You oppose the poor getting any money at all, because they all obviously have some money - it's not like there's anyone who doesn't have 5k stashed away somewhere.

The poor cannot support children because if they have a child they will die. It's that fucking simple.

[Planeia]

By the way, for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse. Here's an idea: legalize euthanasia and allow the fetus to grow up and determine that him or herself.

How about no?

How about, instead of making abortions dangerous, we seek to make them SAFER, so that women actually don't HAVE to put metallic objects up their sexual organs? Has it ever occurred to you this?

How about we actually say things related to what I was saying.

for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse.

[Pravengria]

Basing things off of religion is a ridiculous concept. Of which, and many will prolly deny, but alot of ''morality'' in regards to conservatives is based off a fairy-tale.

Personal responsibility is based on religion and is a "ridiculous concept"? I seem to remember something called law, where people are responsible for their own actions. Once again, I will return to the car analogy. If someone ran into you, would you want them to be responsible? Or is that based on a conservative fairy-tale as well?

If my dog takes a dump in my front yard, and a priests comes by and declares it sacred under God. It's still a pile of crap.

Me being hit by a car depends on the situation, if I walked out into the street without looking, then it is my fault. Your analogy is rather poor. Law dictates what you can't do to another, independent being. A fetus, is nothing more than a group of cells, without the ability to be sentient, or have the ability to sign any legal contract. It's nothing more than a parasitic relationship that indeed can result in a child if birth occurs, of which is between the mother and the fetus. It's a group of cells, not a life, or are we going to enact laws now that keep women from menstruating because they're shedding dead cells?

[Vazdania]

Now who's fault is that? intense urge to say catchphrase must be resisted.

Whose fault is it?
Yours. You oppose the poor getting any money at all, because they all obviously have some money - it's not like there's anyone who doesn't have 5k stashed away somewhere.

The poor cannot support children because if they have a child they will die. It's that fucking simple.

Then give them to the state!!!!

[Regnum Dominae]

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh? Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

Republican economic policies are often better, but their social policies are shit.

[Ingolstadt]

In developing countries though there are only two options where this is banned: get hitched with the "father" for financial support, or do clandestine abortions, which spike up the disease and mortality rates.

Who cares about women getting sick or dying? I don't, they don't matter, they're only here to breed.

There is actually no record of any "clandestine abortion" performed with the tools of butchery and coat hangers, etc. that you guys dream up. Ultimately, if a woman is dumb enough to go to a criminal for an abortion, then it is her fault if something happens.

[Liriena]

But the fact is, they won't. The only way to stop abortion is to do the following:
1. Develop a method of contraception that is 100% effective and 100% reversible that is not dependent on remembering to take a pill or getting a shot, that won't fall out, that won't break, doesn't require someone to "know" how to use it, etc.;
2. Make it 100% free to everyone and accessible to everyone;
3. Make it not offend to sensibilities of people like fundamentalist Catholics who think contraceptive = murder;
4. Teach everyone about it and give it to them, again free of charge;
5. And then you will STILL have to force some people to use it.

So in the long run, it's impossible.

Or...we could teach men to keep Willy in the trousers and women to keep Gina under lock and key until they want a child.

When "abstinence only" education actually starts working, maybe we'll consider your inane proposal.

[Planeia]

By the way, for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse. Here's an idea: legalize euthanasia and allow the fetus to grow up and determine that him or herself.

The fetus is not a person mentally or legally capable of consent. In fact, it's not a person at all. It has no right to life, any more than my appendix does, at least. But sure, let's legalize euthanasia.

Let the fetus grow up to utilize that euthanasia and we have a deal.

[Hushabagain]

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh? Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

ah... a bite on the line... we shouldn't judge suckage by economic magnitude. Would you rather live in China or Texas? Also, the northern states are indebted because... they pay for growth in a healthy manner and actually provide for their citizens because they are functional bodies of government.

[Furious Grandmothers]

How about no?

How about, instead of making abortions dangerous, we seek to make them SAFER, so that women actually don't HAVE to put metallic objects up their sexual organs? Has it ever occurred to you this?

How about we actually say things related to what I was saying.

for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse.

Yeah, you'll find none of the pro-choice proponents use that as their main rationale.

[Liriena]

Who cares about women getting sick or dying? I don't, they don't matter, they're only here to breed.

There is actually no record of any "clandestine abortion" performed with the tools of butchery and coat hangers, etc. that you guys dream up. Ultimately, if a woman is dumb enough to go to a criminal for an abortion, then it is her fault if something happens.

Wow...just...wow...

[Divair]

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh?

Because the size of an economy totally determines the standard of living.


No, wait, it doesn't. At all.

Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

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So? Welfare's great and debt's not a bad thing (it is, after all, how all modern governments finance the wonderful living standards we experience). Might have something to do with southern states receiving more from the federal government than they pay in, too.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How about no?

How about, instead of making abortions dangerous, we seek to make them SAFER, so that women actually don't HAVE to put metallic objects up their sexual organs? Has it ever occurred to you this?

How about we actually say things related to what I was saying.

for those of you who go by the "This world is terrible anyway, we'd be doing the fetus a favor" excuse.

How about stop making strawmen? Because clearly nobody has said anything about "oh poor baby, I guess we will get rid of you, this world is bad anyways" seriously.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Whose fault is it?
Yours. You oppose the poor getting any money at all, because they all obviously have some money - it's not like there's anyone who doesn't have 5k stashed away somewhere.

The poor cannot support children because if they have a child they will die. It's that fucking simple.

Then give them to the state!!!!

As you have refused to address several times, they form maternal bonds with it. In addition, there's a fuck-ton of pain, and they have to eat far more food that they can't afford.

[Geilinor]

In 2010, 15.1 percent of all persons lived in poverty.
57% of abortions are done by those 15.1%.
So poverty is an extreme driving force in the choice to have an abortion.

In developing countries though there are only two options where this is banned: get hitched with the "father" for financial support, or do clandestine abortions, which spike up the disease and mortality rates.

It would be like that if it was banned anywhere.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Whose fault is it?
Yours. You oppose the poor getting any money at all, because they all obviously have some money - it's not like there's anyone who doesn't have 5k stashed away somewhere.

The poor cannot support children because if they have a child they will die. It's that fucking simple.

Then give them to the state!!!!

Will the state go through pregnancy on behalf of the mom too?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

The fetus is not a person mentally or legally capable of consent. In fact, it's not a person at all. It has no right to life, any more than my appendix does, at least. But sure, let's legalize euthanasia.

Let the fetus grow up to utilize that euthanasia and we have a deal.

Doesn't solve the problem that you're still forcing women against their will to carry pregnancies to term, which is essentially slavery.

[Vazdania]

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh? Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

ah... a bite on the line... we shouldn't judge suckage by economic magnitude. Would you rather live in China or Texas? Also, the northern states are indebted because... they pay for growth in a healthy manner and actually provide for their citizens because they are functional bodies of government.

Idaho pays for growth and yet it too is a functional body of government committed to keeping its policies out of the lives of its citizens.

[Regnum Dominae]

Yeah, Texas is only the 13th largest economy in the world. It really sucks, eh?

Because the size of an economy totally determines the standard of living.


No, wait, it doesn't. At all.

Meanwhile, states in the North top the list for things like welfare and debt. Here is a map of debt by state:

(Image)

So? Welfare's great and debt's not a bad thing (it is, after all, how all modern governments finance the wonderful living standards we experience). Might have something to do with southern states receiving more from the federal government than they pay in, too.

It's not a good thing either.

[Riiser-Larsen]

Whose fault is it?
Yours. You oppose the poor getting any money at all, because they all obviously have some money - it's not like there's anyone who doesn't have 5k stashed away somewhere.

The poor cannot support children because if they have a child they will die. It's that fucking simple.

Then give them to the state!!!!

That's a great idea, now we can add state-run orphanages to the list of expenses the US has to deal with. Then the conservatives can continue to criticize us for having a debt. Yeah, this will solve the problem just perfectly.

[Zweite Alaje]

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

North Carolina not at "True Southern" level. Also, there are islands of reasonablity. Charlotte. Raleigh-Durham. The North Carolina Research Triangle. Austin. Houston. Miami. That's about it.

As a native NCian, Raleigh and Durham are cesspools.

Or...we could teach men to keep Willy in the trousers and women to keep Gina under lock and key until they want a child.

That doesn't work, because people have sexual desires. If we didn't, we would have gone extinct. Instincts are very hard to deny.

So what are we now? Dogs in heat? We can't control our impulses for the greater good? I suppose I should blast the next brat that looks at me funny.