NATION

PASSWORD

Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Vazdania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19448
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Vazdania » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Fetus cells are alive.


So is my appendix, but I will not hesitate to remove it if it hurts me.

that is murder!!! :D
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

User avatar
Pravengria
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1944
Founded: Jul 25, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Pravengria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:43 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Perhaps respond to the part about how you're in favour of forcing women to suffer unimaginable physical pain and then heartbreaking emotional pain to protect an unthinking clump of cells.

perhaps they shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Or choose to keep the fetus which will develop into a child, or as a last resort turn them over to the state knowing that they will at least get a chance at a decent life, as opposed to you know, terminating them and stuff.


Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.
Federated Commonwealth of Pravengria
Foreign Affairs
CyberSel Group

User avatar
Verkaria
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1024
Founded: Feb 27, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Verkaria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:44 pm

If a thing does not have a consciousness than I couldn't care less what happens to it.
Last edited by Verkaria on Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed."
~ Ernest Hemingway

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish."

User avatar
Hushabagain
Diplomat
 
Posts: 969
Founded: Mar 15, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Hushabagain » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Hushabagain wrote:Whenever you find time to stop with your main current occupation (it appears to be looking at anime)

Actually, I was in college, now I'm going into the Navy. My liking of anime and Japanese culture has nothing to do with the conversation.

Have fun defending my freedoms.

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 60885
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
So is my appendix, but I will not hesitate to remove it if it hurts me.

that is murder!!! :D

Good to know even you are now aware of the idiocy of calling abortion murder. Would you kindly go and tell that to the Vazdania from two hours ago? :roll:
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Vazdania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19448
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Vazdania » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 pm

Pravengria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:perhaps they shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Or choose to keep the fetus which will develop into a child, or as a last resort turn them over to the state knowing that they will at least get a chance at a decent life, as opposed to you know, terminating them and stuff.


Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.

:unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

User avatar
Torcularis Septentrionalis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9398
Founded: May 05, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:45 pm

Ingolstadt wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:2 is incorrect. At least half of all women getting abortions report using some sort of contraceptive method.


Right, I'm sure they do report that. And I report otherwise. I am just as credible and have just as much evidence as they do.

You have as much credibility as established statisticians?
Negative ghost rider.
The Andromeda Islands wrote:This! Is! A! Bad! Idea!
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Why are you talking about murder when we are talking about abortion? Murdering a fetus is impossible. It's like smelling an echo. You're not making sense.



20 year old female. Camgirl/student. Call me Torc/TS/Alix

User avatar
Vazdania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19448
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Vazdania » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vazdania wrote:that is murder!!! :D

Good to know even you are now aware of the idiocy of calling abortion murder. Would you kindly go and tell that to the Vazdania from two hours ago? :roll:

well technically you are terminating the growth of cells...
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 60885
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pravengria wrote:
Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.

:unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:


There's hunger, poverty and disease in this world, and you just want to add more to it and hope some capitalistic miracle will make it go away, huh?
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Hushabagain
Diplomat
 
Posts: 969
Founded: Mar 15, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Hushabagain » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Divair wrote:Texas sucks. This isn't news.

but to what degree? They're leaving "Tennessee" and approaching "Mississippi" levels of suckage.

User avatar
Planeia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1873
Founded: Jan 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Planeia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Planeia wrote:Get it right!

Oh, so some tribe without access to birth control must be doing a lot of consenting then. You're not being reasonable.

Will you will stop it with the references to things outside of civilization?
Paradise has Fallen

User avatar
Pravengria
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1944
Founded: Jul 25, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Pravengria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pravengria wrote:
Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.

:unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:


America=/=Globe

America<Globe

Learn2Geography.

Do explain Vaz, why is abortion wrong, please we'd love to hear it. Sources are nice, also if you'd like to bring religion into it, then by ALL means, give god a call, we can hold him for 24 hours for questioning and all that.
Last edited by Pravengria on Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Federated Commonwealth of Pravengria
Foreign Affairs
CyberSel Group

User avatar
Geilinor
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41328
Founded: Feb 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Planeia wrote:Get it right!

Oh, so some tribe without access to birth control must be doing a lot of consenting then. You're not being reasonable.

Also, people riding in cars that were built before mandatory air bags because they can't afford a new one are consenting to death, didn't you know?
Last edited by Geilinor on Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

User avatar
Vazdania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19448
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Vazdania » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:


There's hunger, poverty and disease in this world, and you just want to add more to it and hope some capitalistic miracle will make it go away, huh?

Yes and most of the Poverty Hunger and disease are in underdeveloped countries. America on the other hand can support millions more.
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

User avatar
Torcularis Septentrionalis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9398
Founded: May 05, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Hushabagain wrote:
Divair wrote:Texas sucks. This isn't news.

but to what degree? They're leaving "Tennessee" and approaching "Mississippi" levels of suckage.

*hisses loudly*
stop reminding me that Tennessee sucks, I like to pretend that I live in a magical land of fairies.
The Andromeda Islands wrote:This! Is! A! Bad! Idea!
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Why are you talking about murder when we are talking about abortion? Murdering a fetus is impossible. It's like smelling an echo. You're not making sense.



20 year old female. Camgirl/student. Call me Torc/TS/Alix

User avatar
Hushabagain
Diplomat
 
Posts: 969
Founded: Mar 15, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Hushabagain » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pravengria wrote:
Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.

:unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:

well... if you adjust for population growth already occurring and long-term fertility of the land, what you said is false.

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 60885
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Good to know even you are now aware of the idiocy of calling abortion murder. Would you kindly go and tell that to the Vazdania from two hours ago? :roll:

well technically you are terminating the growth of cells...

I suppose I should allow the hypothetical worms in my intestines to grow a bit before getting rid of them, the poor things.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Soldati Senza Confini
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 86050
Founded: Mar 11, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:


There's hunger, poverty and disease in this world, and you just want to add more to it and hope some capitalistic miracle will make it go away, huh?


There is actually hunger and homelessness in the US.

I don't think we need more people involuntarily coming into this world.

If anything, nowadays we have the OPTIONS to plan a pregnancy.
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

User avatar
Ingolstadt
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 47
Founded: Jun 05, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Ingolstadt » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Pravengria wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:1) So, about 200,000 years ago?
2) Show me the source for that.
3) Moral responsibility is a ridiculous concept.


Basing things off of religion is a ridiculous concept. Of which, and many will prolly deny, but alot of ''morality'' in regards to conservatives is based off a fairy-tale.


Personal responsibility is based on religion and is a "ridiculous concept"? I seem to remember something called law, where people are responsible for their own actions. Once again, I will return to the car analogy. If someone ran into you, would you want them to be responsible? Or is that based on a conservative fairy-tale as well?
DEFCON: [5] 4 3 2 1

Member of the Joint International Anti-Terrorist Task Force

User avatar
Regnum Dominae
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12345
Founded: Feb 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
There's hunger, poverty and disease in this world, and you just want to add more to it and hope some capitalistic miracle will make it go away, huh?

Yes and most of the Poverty Hunger and disease are in underdeveloped countries. America on the other hand can support millions more.

I'm not worried about overpopulation but the underlined is fucking oblivious.
Last edited by Regnum Dominae on Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

User avatar
Divair
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63434
Founded: May 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Divair » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:48 pm

Hushabagain wrote:
Divair wrote:Texas sucks. This isn't news.

but to what degree? They're leaving "Tennessee" and approaching "Mississippi" levels of suckage.

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

User avatar
Tlaceceyaya
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9932
Founded: Oct 17, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:48 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pravengria wrote:
Or actually just get an abortion. World's over-populated enough.

:unsure: Sorry I was under the totally false assumption that American farmers could support MILLIONS more. :roll:

Not that they could afford the food.
Economic Left/Right -9.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -8.87
Also, Bonobos.
I am a market socialist, atheist, more to come maybe at some point
Dimitri Tsafendas wrote:You are guilty not only when you commit a crime, but also when you do nothing to prevent it when you have the chance.

User avatar
Regnum Dominae
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12345
Founded: Feb 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:48 pm

Divair wrote:
Hushabagain wrote:but to what degree? They're leaving "Tennessee" and approaching "Mississippi" levels of suckage.

It's the South. None of the states there are particularly good.

I would have said Florida but they just banned computers so...
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

User avatar
Pravengria
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1944
Founded: Jul 25, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Pravengria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:48 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Good to know even you are now aware of the idiocy of calling abortion murder. Would you kindly go and tell that to the Vazdania from two hours ago? :roll:

well technically you are terminating the growth of cells...


So I'm guessing bacteria, and parasites have rights to? E coli. will be happy to hear about this.
Federated Commonwealth of Pravengria
Foreign Affairs
CyberSel Group

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 60885
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:49 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
There's hunger, poverty and disease in this world, and you just want to add more to it and hope some capitalistic miracle will make it go away, huh?

Yes and most of the Poverty Hunger and disease are in underdeveloped countries. America on the other hand can support millions more.

If that were true, there would be no hunger or disease in the United States...

...I suggest you leave your fantasy world and take a glance at the real United States, were children are dying from starvation and easily preventable diseases.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Albaaa, Andsed, Bradfordville, Dimetrodon Empire, Eternal Algerstonia, Fartsniffage, Foehn Paramilitary Regions, Ifreann, Kubra, Neu California, Norse Inuit Union, Ostroeuropa, Peatiktist, Pizza Friday Forever91, Ryemarch, Senscaria, Trolleborg, Washington Resistance Army, Xind

Advertisement

Remove ads