Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Vazdania]

no they are still human? What makes them non-human???? Are they canine or feline cells?

Clipping your toenails is murder!

aren't those cells already dead though?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes, I did. I was raped three years ago and risked my own life not to be a teen mom with no job, an abusive family, to give birth against my will, carry the product of my rape, and live through months to years of psychological torture.

In the name of malehood, I do apologize you had to go through that.

This is why abortions for me are not up to discussion. They should not be banned, so that people who have these issues can do it safely and without health complications because of clandestine clinics.

I got it late, we went to the pharmacies in my town and the two towns nearest but they were all closed. Such is the life of living in the boonies. And the later you take it, the less effective it is, ya dig?

Very much.

It's kind of weird playing with my cousin's kid knowing that I payed for the pill that was supposed to get rid of her.

I know that feel, but Plan B just ain't real reliable and is only a last ditch effort.

[Tlaceceyaya]

And have to suffer the horrific pain of childbirth. Apparently it's comparable to kidney stones. My dad had kidney stones last fall. He described the pain as so horrible that he thought he was going to die, and he didn't form a maternal bond with the kidney stones after they came out.
A woman who is forced to carry a pregnancy to term may form a very strong bond with it because of her maternal instincts, and she can't help it. It's clearly not in her best interests, but she'll have trouble letting go. In addition to unbelievable physical pain, there may be horrible emotional pain afterwards. All because you are so opposed to her destroying the unthinking thing that was growing inside her.

Why do you keep ignoring posts of mine, Vazdania? On page 12 (third time I've mentioned that post to you) and now this one. The posts I think are better, too. Are you scared to answer them?

Vazdania? Are you ignoring these two posts?

[Liriena]

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

no they are still human? What makes them non-human???? Are they canine or feline cells?

They may have human DNA, but they do not have any traits that qualify them as people.

They are not sentient or sapient. Their organs are undeveloped and not even properly functioning.

[Pravengria]

Im saddened that people think they can control other peoples bodies.

Should these mothers be more educated, yes. Should they be made to think about it, yes. Should this be banned, no.Its a womans choice what happens with her body

Agreed, and thank you so much. The law is utter stupidity, and is one of the reasons, I can say I hate certain conservatives. Apparently this law is the most strict now in the nation as a whole. Secondly, what does this law do on rapes? Let's say a woman was held captive and raped and became pregnant, of which she had been held captive for a total of 40 weeks, does this mean because she missed the 20 week mark, she now has to bear the child of her rapists and deal with that? Even though she doesn't want a child?

Thirdly, 42 clinics operate in Texas as of current that can perform abortion procedures. Supposedly, only 5 out of the 42 now will have the necessary requirements, while the rest will either have to pay to upgrade or shut down. By doing this, a back-log on a waiting lists can occur, thus causing many women to miss their 20 week mark. And no, I'm not a democrat, I don't associate with any party. However, out of republicans, and most notably conservatives of that group, I hate with a passion.

[Hushabagain]

Clipping your toenails is murder!

aren't those cells already dead though?

they're just as human as a fetus.

[Vazdania]

Why do you keep ignoring posts of mine, Vazdania? On page 12 (third time I've mentioned that post to you) and now this one. The posts I think are better, too. Are you scared to answer them?

Vazdania? Are you ignoring these two posts?

What am I suppose to respond? It seems as though its just a statement.

[Ingolstadt]

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

Are you serious? You really believe that the cells have to exit the body to magically become human? Once again, please look up the scientific definition of when human life begins.

[Planeia]

That's different, you at least tried. I would have no sympathy for you otherwise, you were responsible, and as such mistakes like that happen even so. But to acknowledge that not using protection would lead to a higher risk of pregnancy, and still not using protection, that's very irresponsible.

At least half, if not more, of pregnancies are caused by a failure in birth control.
And still, consent to sex not even attempting to use protection = consent to pregnancy.
No one said you had to feel sympathy for them, but you can't take away their bodily rights.

Get it right please.

[Vazdania]

aren't those cells already dead though?

they're just as human as a fetus.

Fetus cells are alive. Toenail cells are dead.

[With Teeth]

Clipping your toenails is murder!

aren't those cells already dead though?

Missing the point comes to mind.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

1) How can an embryo have a right to be..be what?
2) Contraception can fail.
3) Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

1.) Look up the scientific definition of when human life begins.
2.) Yes, it can fail. However, less than 50,000 abortions are performed each year as a result of it. And that is out of over a million.
3.) Consent to sex is taking the risk of getting pregnant. The only reason it even exists is for reproduction, which is a fact that you cannot deny. When people do something that may have consequences, they accept responsibility for anything that might happen. Look at all other parts of life. If you get into a car and you crash into someone, it is your fault and you are responsible because you made choices that led to the incident. You can't kill the other driver to make the problem go away. Now, when a woman takes the risk of getting pregnant, she is responsible if she does get pregnant. You can't go on without being responsible for your own actions and expect others to suffer simply because you made poor choices.

2 is incorrect. At least half of all women getting abortions report using some sort of contraceptive method.

[Geilinor]

Since a fetus is not a person, people clearly aren't "killing each other" when it comes to abortion. I suggest you focus on far more tangible cases of "people killing each other", like war, persecution, etc.

Did I say people we're being killed in an abortion? Hmmm????????????????

Yes, you said abortion was murder countless times and said that abortion is something you want to stop people from doing.

[Hushabagain]

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

Are you serious? You really believe that the cells have to exit the body to magically become human? Once again, please look up the scientific definition of when human life begins.

Life =/= human
human life =/= human
fetus =/= person
abortion = moral

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

At least half, if not more, of pregnancies are caused by a failure in birth control.
And still, consent to sex not even attempting to use protection = consent to pregnancy.
No one said you had to feel sympathy for them, but you can't take away their bodily rights.

Get it right please.

Still not right. Consent to sex without protection does not equal consent to pregnancy.

[Vazdania]

aren't those cells already dead though?

Missing the point comes to mind.

what point did you make? one group of cells is alive and the other is dead.

[Zweite Alaje]

The Constitution isn't infallible.


I despise eugenics, I hate it as much as I hate Abortion.


That would be acceptable.

The Constitution isn't infallible, but there are millions of people who will die before your ideas become imposed on them. And the basic ideas behind it will never change, even if their applications do. Bite. Me.

They are willing to fight and die? I wouldn't have it any other way. If I do ever acquire a position which I can impose my views, I'd make sure to hive my opponents as honorable a death as possible.

[Hushabagain]

they're just as human as a fetus.

Fetus cells are alive. Toenail cells are dead.

but neither are human.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Vazdania? Are you ignoring these two posts?

What am I suppose to respond? It seems as though its just a statement.

Perhaps respond to the part about how you're in favour of forcing women to suffer unimaginable physical pain and then heartbreaking emotional pain to protect an unthinking clump of cells.

[Geilinor]

Huh, shame. Though I'm a man and abortion doesn't apply to me in the same way it does a woman I've always thought that being a man, who could never really understand, that the best thing to do is just give women all the options they want. If a woman thinks abortions are wrong then she doesn't have to get one and if the woman wishes to receive one who the hell am I to tell her no?

I agree with that, being male as well.

[Planeia]

We live in 2013. No.

We live in 2013. So why is consent to sex not using protection = consent to pregnancy?

Get it right!

[With Teeth]

Missing the point comes to mind.

what point did you make? one group of cells is alive and the other is dead.

You missed the point of Fris's post. I'll let him explain if he wants. I won't waste words.

[Vazdania]

Did I say people we're being killed in an abortion? Hmmm????????????????

Yes, you said abortion was murder countless times and said that abortion is something you want to stop people from doing.

where?

Yes I'd love it if people stopped the termination of cells which will develop into an independent being

[Hushabagain]

The Constitution isn't infallible, but there are millions of people who will die before your ideas become imposed on them. And the basic ideas behind it will never change, even if their applications do. Bite. Me.

They are willing to fight and die? I wouldn't have it any other way. If I do ever squire a position which I can impose my views, I'd make sure to hive my opponents as honorable a death as possible.

Whenever you find time to stop with your main current occupation (it appears to be looking at anime)

[Planeia]

Get it right please.

Still not right. Consent to sex without protection does not equal consent to pregnancy.

It pretty much does if you acknowledge that it leads to pregnancy.

"I want to commit a crime but I don't want to go to jail."