Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Vazdania]

Nope, but it is an example of something that I want to stop people from doing.

Did you just...admit that abortion is not murder? *smirk*

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Is it really worth it? You'd go so far as to even take your own life?

Yes, I did. I was raped three years ago and risked my own life not to be a teen mom with no job, an abusive family, to give birth against my will, carry the product of my rape, and live through months to years of psychological torture.

In the name of malehood, I do apologize you had to go through that.

This is why abortions for me are not up to discussion. They should not be banned, so that people who have these issues can do it safely and without health complications because of clandestine clinics.

[Hushabagain]

Since a fetus is not a person, people clearly aren't "killing each other" when it comes to abortion. I suggest you focus on far more tangible cases of "people killing each other", like war, persecution, etc.

Did I say people we're being killed in an abortion? Hmmm????????????????

Di'd I sa'y you're us'ing contr'action's i'n th'e wron'g pl'ace?

[Vazdania]

Gay marriage =/= Gay Adoption.

Except the two are closely related. The first is necessary for the full efficiency of the other.

and? what of it? Gay Marriage =/= Gay adoption.

[Furious Grandmothers]

No it's not.
Contraceptives fail.
Here's a story: I use protection every time I have sex. Thursday night I was fucking my boyfriend like super hardcore right? Well he finished and pulled out and the condom had broke. I'm actually probably going to be pregnant, I've just got to wait another two weeks to find out, and if I am, I'm calling a clinic and scheduling an abortion. Whoops, don't care.

That's different, you at least tried. I would have no sympathy for you otherwise, you were responsible, and as such mistakes like that happen even so. But to acknowledge that not using protection would lead to a higher risk of pregnancy, and still not using protection, that's very irresponsible.

And sex without contraception often happens especially when kids are taught abstinence instead of proper sex education.

[Vazdania]

Did I say people we're being killed in an abortion? Hmmm????????????????

Di'd I sa'y you're us'ing contr'action's i'n th'e wron'g pl'ace?

They are useless as is!!

[Literary Fellows]

Huh, shame. Though I'm a man and abortion doesn't apply to me in the same way it does a woman I've always thought that being a man, who could never really understand, that the best thing to do is just give women all the options they want. If a woman thinks abortions are wrong then she doesn't have to get one and if the woman wishes to receive one who the hell am I to tell her no?

[Tlaceceyaya]

Did you just...admit that abortion is not murder? *smirk*

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

As condoms are terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months and a few extra hours.

[Anachronous Rex]

Probably should have gotten the morning after pill.

Not judging, mind you. It's just cheaper.

But I suppose it's too late now.

I got it late, we went to the pharmacies in my town and the two towns nearest but they were all closed. Such is the life of living in the boonies. And the later you take it, the less effective it is, ya dig?

Very much.

It's kind of weird playing with my cousin's kid knowing that I payed for the pill that was supposed to get rid of her.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Did you just...admit that abortion is not murder? *smirk*

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No it's not.
Contraceptives fail.
Here's a story: I use protection every time I have sex. Thursday night I was fucking my boyfriend like super hardcore right? Well he finished and pulled out and the condom had broke. I'm actually probably going to be pregnant, I've just got to wait another two weeks to find out, and if I am, I'm calling a clinic and scheduling an abortion. Whoops, don't care.

That's different, you at least tried. I would have no sympathy for you otherwise, you were responsible, and as such mistakes like that happen even so. But to acknowledge that not using protection would lead to a higher risk of pregnancy, and still not using protection, that's very irresponsible.

At least half, if not more, of pregnancies are caused by a failure in birth control.
And still, consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy.
No one said you had to feel sympathy for them, but you can't take away their bodily rights.

[Hushabagain]

Di'd I sa'y you're us'ing contr'action's i'n th'e wron'g pl'ace?

They are useless as is!!

not all of them... (waits for acknowledgement)...

[Zweite Alaje]

When have I ever said I value "freedom"? I'm an anti-individualist and an authoritarian, I despise the very term, the very concept of "freedom".



Things that need no purpose have no purpose. Freedom is nothing, it means nothing.

Well... see... we have this document... the Constitution... it provides for "liberty and justice for all"... so... you can... bite me...

The Constitution isn't infallible.

When have I ever said I value "freedom"? I'm an anti-individualist and an authoritarian, I despise the very term, the very concept of "freedom".



Things that need no purpose have no purpose. Freedom is nothing, it means nothing.

I can see you advocating state-run eugenics.

I despise eugenics, I hate it as much as I hate Abortion.

What?

Why would I care if a woman kills her unborn, and dies as a result? It was her choice to kill it, why should her life have value to me?

Most abortions in the US take place at a time where if the mother dies, the fetus is guaranteed to die as well. Your position ought to be to do what you can to keep her alive until such time as independent fetal viability is very probable, at which point it becomes rational to cease in being concerned about her continued viability.

Understand?

That would be acceptable.

[Vazdania]

Gay marriage =/= Gay Adoption.

So, which one gets custody? After all, if they're unmarried only one does.

Domestic Partnerships SHOULD (not do) allow the couple to adopt.

[Planeia]

Yeah...

And consent not to wear chainmail armor everyday = consent to death by assassination?

We live in 2013. No.

[Vazdania]

They are useless as is!!

not all of them... (waits for acknowledgement)...

the lot of them (all of them) are

[Hushabagain]

Well... see... we have this document... the Constitution... it provides for "liberty and justice for all"... so... you can... bite me...

The Constitution isn't infallible.

I can see you advocating state-run eugenics.

I despise eugenics, I hate it as much as I hate Abortion.

Most abortions in the US take place at a time where if the mother dies, the fetus is guaranteed to die as well. Your position ought to be to do what you can to keep her alive until such time as independent fetal viability is very probable, at which point it becomes rational to cease in being concerned about her continued viability.

Understand?

That would be acceptable.

The Constitution isn't infallible, but there are millions of people who will die before your ideas become imposed on them. And the basic ideas behind it will never change, even if their applications do. Bite. Me.

[Vazdania]

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

no they are still human? What makes them non-human???? Are they canine or feline cells?

[Furious Grandmothers]

And consent not to wear chainmail armor everyday = consent to death by assassination?

We live in 2013. No.

We live in 2013. So why is consent to sex = consent to pregnancy?

[Ingolstadt]

Abortion, free decision, murder, call it what you will.

A human has been denied the right to be, and there isn't a thing wrong with the would be child other than it's mother has no integrity. She had sexual intercourse and chose not to use any form of contraception, then chose to forego the day after pill, then chose to wait till weeks before her due date and then decided to visit the clinic.

If you're willing to go that far why not just grant yourself the right to shoot your kids? You should be free to decide what comes out of your wallet; you don't want the brats anyway, why all they do is eat crap and pee everywhere; and cry and whine when they don't get their way.

Outside of incest, rape, or a medical risk factor; there is very little in the way of an excuse worth having any sympathy for.

1) How can an embryo have a right to be..be what?
2) Contraception can fail.
3) Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

1.) Look up the scientific definition of when human life begins.
2.) Yes, it can fail. However, less than 50,000 abortions are performed each year as a result of it. And that is out of over a million.
3.) Consent to sex is taking the risk of getting pregnant. The only reason it even exists is for reproduction, which is a fact that you cannot deny. When people do something that may have consequences, they accept responsibility for anything that might happen. Look at all other parts of life. If you get into a car and you crash into someone, it is your fault and you are responsible because you made choices that led to the incident. You can't kill the other driver to make the problem go away. Now, when a woman takes the risk of getting pregnant, she is responsible if she does get pregnant. You can't go on without being responsible for your own actions and expect others to suffer simply because you made poor choices.

[Hushabagain]

not all of them... (waits for acknowledgement)...

the lot of them (all of them) are

not in my sentence... find it... my hair's graying over here...

[Furious Grandmothers]

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

no they are still human? What makes them non-human???? Are they canine or feline cells?

I don't know, that's what YOU said.

[Frisivisia]

So you also understand that the cells are only human after 9 months. Great.

no they are still human? What makes them non-human???? Are they canine or feline cells?

Clipping your toenails is murder!

[Orham]

That would be acceptable.

Not to me, of course, but that would make your position philosophically consistent. I'm rather concerned about a woman's continued viability irrespective of her pregnancy status or the probability of independent fetal viability.

[Vazdania]

It isn't, though it is terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months.

As condoms are terminating the growth of cells that will become human in about 9 months and a few extra hours.

o: I'd no idea that sperm cells we're actually developing beyond the point of ejaculation.