Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Anachronous Rex]

I'm sure lots of parasitic creatures have little to no choice in their placement, and that the fault often lies with the host who was fool enough to put themselves in a position where they might acquire it.

It doesn't matter, though, does it?

Except that "Parasite" Is on the same level as a newborn baby, at least once brain signals can be detected.

Well no. A newborn baby is on the same level as a newborn baby. That's pretty much just the law of identity.

A fetus is on the same level as a fetus. Which really seems to be lacking the basic characteristics of personhood, in that its brain is really only functioning so as to maintain body function.

[Christian Democrats]

Some women . . . but not most.

"By a margin of 59 percent to 30 percent, respondents to the new poll said they would favor a federal law banning abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy."

EDIT: Most women support bans on abortion after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" right?

The abortion laws in Poland work out well.

[Bodobol]

Some women . . . but not most.

"By a margin of 59 percent to 30 percent, respondents to the new poll said they would favor a federal law banning abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy."

EDIT: Most women support bans on abortion after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" and "moral", right?

Just a question, I'm probably going to sound stupid for asking, but what does LATAM stand for?

[Dakini]

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to use someone else's body without their permission, no matter what effect being blocked from using their body has on you.

As I said to another just now... they cannot consent to being presented to the situation. They are utterly unable to ask for consent to be presented to the situation.

Ahem.

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to use someone else's body without their permission, no matter what effect being blocked from using their body has on you.

[Dakini]

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" and "moral", right?

Just a question, I'm probably going to sound stupid for asking, but what does LATAM stand for?

Latin America.

[Bodobol]

Just a question, I'm probably going to sound stupid for asking, but what does LATAM stand for?

Latin America.

Thanks. ^.^

[Dragoria]

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to use someone else's body without their permission, no matter what effect being blocked from using their body has on you.

As I said to another just now... they cannot consent to being presented to the situation. They are utterly unable to ask for consent to be presented to the situation.

If they don't (or cannot) consent to being in the woman's body, and the woman does not consent to the fetus being in her body, then they are in agreement.
Not asking for my consent doesn't make my "no" any less valid.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" and "moral", right?

Just a question, I'm probably going to sound stupid for asking, but what does LATAM stand for?

LATAM stands for Latin America

Sorry, I'm a bit tired, so I am using abbreviations.

[Madredia]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable? Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish. Nothing is actually coming into existence at birth. The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

[Dakini]

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" right?

The abortion laws in Poland work out well.

If by "works out well" you mean that doctors still do it anyway, then yes.

[Bodobol]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable? Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish. Nothing is actually coming into existence at birth. The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

Yes, because the child is still parasitic by its very nature.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" right?

The abortion laws in Poland work out well.

You mean this well?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/underground-abortions-poland-will-catholic-country-ease-pro-life-laws

[Bodobol]

The abortion laws in Poland work out well.

You mean this well?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/underground-abortions-poland-will-catholic-country-ease-pro-life-laws

It's funny watching you copy Dakini.

[Anachronous Rex]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable? Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish. Nothing is actually coming into existence at birth. The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

An abortion at that stage is called "c section."

And yes, you can get one.

[Dakini]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable?

At that point, labour would be induced. Duh.

Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish.

That's because you think that the cells of my arm are individual unicellular organisms.

The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

It stops leeching off a woman, yes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You mean this well?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/underground-abortions-poland-will-catholic-country-ease-pro-life-laws

It's funny watching you copy Dakini.

Pure coincidence

I also researched it and came with the same result

[Dragoria]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable? Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish. Nothing is actually coming into existence at birth. The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

If the fetus/individual/whateverthehellyouwanttocallittofeelbetter has developed to the point where it can survive once removed from the mother's body, then go ahead and remove it and let it survive. But removing a baby from a body at that point by any methods, whether abortion/Cesarean, or vaginal birth, are all fairly risky procedures and there is a high chance of complications happening, which is why it's generally advised to terminate an unwanted pregnancy sooner rather than later.
But before that point is reached, you can't tell a woman "you're just going to have to let this thing use your body against your will until it's developed to the point where it can survive after we remove it".

[Dakini]

You mean this well?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/underground-abortions-poland-will-catholic-country-ease-pro-life-laws

It's funny watching you copy Dakini.

It was one of the first hits on google.

[Crumlark]

Let me rephrase.

They cannot ask for consent. They cannot choose if they enter. They are brought into the situation by another without being witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things.

They still do not get to use another person's body without the other person's consent.

I'm not sure what's difficult about this. It's like you don't think that women are people who get to own their own bodies or something.

You are bringing an emotional charge to this discussion. Let's bring it down a bit?
The mother is uncomfortable.
The unborn will be terminated as a direct result of knowing and reckless actions removing it. I simply place the right to life above comfort. I am sorry we cannot see eye to eye on this in even the most basic form of this.

[Bodobol]

It's funny watching you copy Dakini.

Pure coincidence

I also researched it and came with the same result

It was funny because Dakini told me what LATAM stands for just before you did, and then that happened.

[Madredia]

If the reason a fetus can be aborted is because he/she is using their mother's womb, if a week before delivery, a mother decided she didn't want the child, (lets assume abortions could be done safely for the mother then) would aborting it then still be acceptable? Because I find the "life at birth, not conception" argument very foolish. Nothing is actually coming into existence at birth. The human is just leaving its former habitat, and changing its method of consuming nutrients and releasing waste.

Yes, because the child is still parasitic by its very nature.

So for you, until that umbilical cord is cut, the mother can do absolutely whatever she likes to her offspring? By that mentality, what if a mother consumed alcohol in excess during pregnancy, because, after all its her body, and her child is born with a deficiency?

[Christian Democrats]

The abortion laws in Poland work out well.

You mean this well?

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/underground-abortions-poland-will-catholic-country-ease-pro-life-laws

Making something illegal does not stop it, but it does reduce the frequency with which it happens.

The future looks bright in that country: "a full 76 percent of Poles aged 15 to 24 favoring a total ban on abortion, compared to 57 percent of Poles aged 55 to 70 who favored total protection of the unborn."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8837-polish-abortion-ban-defeated-pro-life-leaders-optimistic

[Bodobol]

They still do not get to use another person's body without the other person's consent.

I'm not sure what's difficult about this. It's like you don't think that women are people who get to own their own bodies or something.

You are bringing an emotional charge to this discussion. Let's bring it down a bit?
The mother is uncomfortable.
The unborn will be terminated as a direct result of knowing and reckless actions removing it. I simply place the right to life above comfort. I am sorry we cannot see eye to eye on this in even the most basic form of this.

But often the mother is not just uncomfortable, the baby puts her life in danger and/or she was raped. And again, I will say that unborn fetuses are not technically sapient beings, and they are parasitic in nature.

[Anachronous Rex]

Yes, because the child is still parasitic by its very nature.

So for you, until that umbilical cord is cut, the mother can do absolutely whatever she likes to her offspring? By that mentality, what if a mother consumed alcohol in excess during pregnancy, because, after all its her body, and her child is born with a deficiency?

Mothers can. And do.

It's not illegal, it's just that mothers who care about the wellbeing of their child don't.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Pure coincidence

I also researched it and came with the same result

It was funny because Dakini told me what LATAM stands for just before you did, and then that happened.

Dakini and I are pretty much on the same page on this one. But I pretty much do come from one of the countries in LATAM (El Salvador) where there is the strictest abortion ban ever (NO abortions whatsoever), so I am more polarized in this issue than most. Because I have seen the realities in my country when it comes to it. I don't want the same thing happening in the States.