Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Asuiop]

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

Not her problem.

Its not her problem that a human being died by her fault, simply because she did not want the baby?

[Yes Im Biop]

Not her problem.

Its not her problem that a human being died by her fault, simply because she did not want the baby?

Not a Human being yet. Sorry love but Do you have the ability to have kids? If so it's your choice, If not you don't really get a say in the matter

[Asuiop]

No explanation. Try again.


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Cut the crap, guys, stop arguing over who's argument is shittier, and actually get back to proving that the other's argument is shittier.[/quote]
I just want him to explain what's wrong with my argument rather than simply saying "That's shit"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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Well Women seem extremely happy with this outcome eh?

Trust me, almost every single young person is pissed off at this, and some older women too.

The truth is, this isn't a great thing for "pro life" shtick.

[Dragoria]

Not her problem.

Its not her problem that a human being died by her fault, simply because she did not want the baby?

"I have a medical condition where if you don't let me fuck you I will die" does not make rape okay. Using someone else's body against that someone else's will is not acceptable under any circumstances, at all, ever.

[Crumlark]

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

Except they're not sapient, and they're parasites, so they're on the same tier as leeches and hookworms.

Except leeches and hookworms don't turn into human beings. That is actually why I am arguing about this.

[Anachronous Rex]

That's productive of you. And also super correct. Except not.
Either present a real argument or admit you lose the debate.

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

I'm sure lots of parasitic creatures have little to no choice in their placement, and that the fault often lies with the host who was fool enough to put themselves in a position where they might acquire it.

It doesn't matter, though, does it?

[Yes Im Biop]

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Well Women seem extremely happy with this outcome eh?

Trust me, almost every single young person is pissed off at this, and some older women too.

The truth is, this isn't a great thing for "pro life" shtick.

Pretty much

[United Dependencies]

I just want him to explain what's wrong with my argument rather than simply saying "That's shit"

heh

[Asuiop]

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

I'm sure lots of parasitic creatures have little to no choice in their placement, and that the fault often lies with the host who was fool enough to put themselves in a position where they might acquire it.

It doesn't matter, though, does it?

Except that "Parasite" Is on the same level as a newborn baby, at least once brain signals can be detected.

[Christian Democrats]

Well Women seem extremely happy with this outcome eh?

Some women . . . but not most.

"By a margin of 59 percent to 30 percent, respondents to the new poll said they would favor a federal law banning abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy."

EDIT: Most women support bans on abortion after the 20th week of pregnancy.

[Bodobol]

Except they're not sapient, and they're parasites, so they're on the same tier as leeches and hookworms.

Except leeches and hookworms don't turn into human beings. That is actually why I am arguing about this.

But the fetus hasn't turned into a sapient human being yet. A human being? Sure. A sapient one? No. Not at all.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Nope. False equivalence is false. Try again.

Sorry, you don't get to do that without explaining. Try Again.

Using your analogy, abortion is like if the other friend decided to eat all of your food, forcing you to buy more, ripped all of your clothes, covered the exterior of your house in shit ^{(No offence intended to pregnant women - I'm referring to body image issues, not saying they're ugly monsters)} and declared that after nine months of living like that, he was going to either stay for several more years, continuing to leach off of you, or leave and enter an overburdened system, leaving you feeling terrible, and rather than let him do that, you threw him out, your door being a magical portal when you throw him out during those nine months where he would surely die. Oh, and the other friend is incapable of thinking in any capacity.

Sure, sounds bad... until you get to the end, where you realize that no thinking thing is getting harmed.

[Dakini]

Not her problem.

Its not her problem that a human being died

Except not.

by her fault, simply because she did not want the baby? it was leeching off her when she didn't want it there?

Fixed that for you.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I just want him to explain what's wrong with my argument rather than simply saying "That's shit"

A better question to ask is: what is not wrong with my argument.

[Anachronous Rex]

Except they're not sapient, and they're parasites, so they're on the same tier as leeches and hookworms.

Except leeches and hookworms don't turn into human beings. That is actually why I am arguing about this.

I could take any one of your nucleic cells and turn it into a human being. That doesn't mean they all have a right to live.

Which is important, because fighting cancer would be very difficult if they did.

[Crumlark]

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

They don't need to consent.

If you want me to give you a kidney because yours is failing and I'm the only match, I have to consent to giving you one of mine (and also prove that you're not paying me for it). You don't have to consent to be left without a kidney and die (you have to consent to receive it because that's how this shit works).

Let me rephrase.

They cannot ask for consent. They cannot choose if they enter. They are brought into the situation by another without being witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things.

[Crumlark]

There is some point where you got to admit that the house-owners, be they slanted pro-choice or pro-life, in all these hypothetical situations are not gracious hosts, and just move on with the argument.
'Honey! Time to move out!'
'Mooooom, the outside is too cold and has noxious fumes, I'll die within a few minutes of leaving the door!'
'Not my problem.'

False.

Could you PLEASE expound on that? I have trouble arguing against single words.

[Tlaceceyaya]

They don't need to consent.

If you want me to give you a kidney because yours is failing and I'm the only match, I have to consent to giving you one of mine (and also prove that you're not paying me for it). You don't have to consent to be left without a kidney and die (you have to consent to receive it because that's how this shit works).

Let me rephrase.

They cannot ask for consent. They cannot choose if they enter. They are brought into the situation by another without being witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things.

They are also unaware of the situation and have never been aware of anything at all.

[Bodobol]

False.

Could you PLEASE expound on that? I have trouble arguing against single words.

The child would not be sapient. It's no worse than shooing a mosquito out into the cold and noxious fumes.

[Dakini]

I just want him to explain what's wrong with my argument rather than simply saying "That's shit"

You're picspamming some dude too?

[Crumlark]

There is some point where you got to admit that the house-owners, be they slanted pro-choice or pro-life, in all these hypothetical situations are not gracious hosts, and just move on with the argument.
'Honey! Time to move out!'
'Mooooom, the outside is too cold and has noxious fumes, I'll die within a few minutes of leaving the door!'
'Not my problem.'

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to use someone else's body without their permission, no matter what effect being blocked from using their body has on you.

As I said to another just now... they cannot consent to being presented to the situation. They are utterly unable to ask for consent to be presented to the situation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well Women seem extremely happy with this outcome eh?

Some women . . . but not most.

"By a margin of 59 percent to 30 percent, respondents to the new poll said they would favor a federal law banning abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy."

EDIT: Most women support bans on abortion after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Alright, this is what I meant pages earlier when I did say Americans do not know how good they have it.

I say they should go and see the reality of an abortion-ban like the ones we have in LATAM, see if all of you like it that way. After all, that is "progressive" and "moral", right?

[Dakini]

They don't need to consent.

If you want me to give you a kidney because yours is failing and I'm the only match, I have to consent to giving you one of mine (and also prove that you're not paying me for it). You don't have to consent to be left without a kidney and die (you have to consent to receive it because that's how this shit works).

Let me rephrase.

They cannot ask for consent. They cannot choose if they enter. They are brought into the situation by another without being witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things.

They still do not get to use another person's body without the other person's consent.

I'm not sure what's difficult about this. It's like you don't think that women are people who get to own their own bodies or something.

[Dragoria]

They don't need to consent.

If you want me to give you a kidney because yours is failing and I'm the only match, I have to consent to giving you one of mine (and also prove that you're not paying me for it). You don't have to consent to be left without a kidney and die (you have to consent to receive it because that's how this shit works).

Let me rephrase.

They cannot ask for consent. They cannot choose if they enter. They are brought into the situation by another without being witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things.

Not asking for consent doesn't make it okay to do something to someone against their will. If you don't want me to fuck you, and I fuck you anyway, it doesn't magically stop being rape just because I never "asked" for consent so you couldn't say no.
If they're not witting of the situation or the grand scheme of things, they lose nothing by being removed from the situation or the grand scheme of things.