Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Negative, Ghostrider.

You don't get to do that without explaining.

You open the door for some fresh air (Have recreational sex). You know there is a chance of someone wandering in, so you install a screen door (use protection). Someone still comes in (sperm finds an egg). You ask them to leave, but instead they make themselves at home on you couch and them being there makes you ill, causing to severe mental and physical distress (you get pregnant). Some people want to become friends with them (continue the pregnancy) but you, and many others, do not wish to become friends because they're annoying you and you have plenty of other reasons (you do not wish to continue pregnancy). So, you remove them from the house (have an abortion). What happens to them when you remove them from your house is of no concern to you and is not your responsibility.

[United Dependencies]

Sorry, you don't get to make up bullshit that's in no way equivalent and expect me to shovel it for you.

No explanation. Try Again.

This should be productive...

[Dragoria]

No person or potential person has the right to use another person's body without their permission.

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

Not the mother's problem. "I have a medical condition where if you don't let me fuck you I will die" does not make rape okay. Using someone else's body against that someone else's will is not acceptable under any circumstances, at all, ever.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes. You may even be allowed to use lethal force against the rapist because he is actually doing something wrong.

Right. He is using your body, specifically your reproductive organs, against your will, which is something that no "individual", no "person", no "human being" is allowed to do under any circumstances, no matter how developed they are or aren't.

Huuuh? But fetuses can!!! You're a slut and you deserve to be punished!!!

[Dakini]

No person or potential person has the right to use another person's body without their permission.

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

They don't need to consent.

If you want me to give you a kidney because yours is failing and I'm the only match, I have to consent to giving you one of mine (and also prove that you're not paying me for it). You don't have to consent to be left without a kidney and die (you have to consent to receive it because that's how this shit works).

[Asuiop]

You don't get to do that without explaining.

You open the door for some fresh air (Have recreational sex). You know there is a chance of someone wandering in, so you install a screen door (use protection). Someone still comes in (sperm finds an egg). You ask them to leave, but instead they make themselves at home on you couch and them being there makes you ill, causing to severe mental and physical distress (you get pregnant). Some people want to become friends with them (continue the pregnancy) but you, and many others, do not wish to become friends because they're annoying you and you have plenty of other reasons (you do not wish to continue pregnancy). So, you remove them from the house and throw them into the traffic(have an abortion).

Fixed

[Dakini]

Sorry, you don't get to make up bullshit that's in no way equivalent and expect me to shovel it for you.

No explanation. Try Again.

Explain what?

Your argument is bullshit, I'm not going to shovel it.

You know what bullshit is right? It's shit that comes out of one of these:



And I assume you can guess what it means to shovel shit. Or do I have to show you what a shovel looks like too?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

You open the door for some fresh air (Have recreational sex). You know there is a chance of someone wandering in, so you install a screen door (use protection). Someone still comes in (sperm finds an egg). You ask them to leave, but instead they make themselves at home on you couch and them being there makes you ill, causing to severe mental and physical distress (you get pregnant). Some people want to become friends with them (continue the pregnancy) but you, and many others, do not wish to become friends because they're annoying you and you have plenty of other reasons (you do not wish to continue pregnancy). So, you remove them from the house and throw them into the traffic(have an abortion).

Fixed

That's productive of you. And also super correct. Except not.
Either present a real argument or admit you lose the debate.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens. If they drop, then the skin develops the scrotum and penile apparatus, if not, the uterus and other organs develop.

Lrn2med

Genitalia is developed by the end of Week 11.

Actually, week 8 is the development of internal sexual organs.

Weeks 9 - 12 are when the sexual differentiation steps begin.

[Asuiop]

No explanation. Try Again.

Explain what?

Your argument is bullshit, I'm not going to shovel it.

You know what bullshit is right? It's shit that comes out of one of these:



And I assume you can guess what it means to shovel shit. Or do I have to show you what a shovel looks like too?

No explanation. Try Again.

[Crumlark]

Because I obviously have elsewhere to go with reasonable safety.

Not the woman's problem.

There is some point where you got to admit that the house-owners, be they slanted pro-choice or pro-life, in all these hypothetical situations are not gracious hosts, and just move on with the argument.
'Honey! Time to move out!'
'Mooooom, the outside is too cold and has noxious fumes, I'll die within a few minutes of leaving the door!'
'Not my problem.'

[Bodobol]

No person or potential person has the right to use another person's body without their permission.

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

Except they're not sapient, and they're parasites, so they're on the same tier as leeches and hookworms.

[Crumlark]

Because I obviously have elsewhere to go with reasonable safety.

Doesn't matter. I'm not required to be responsible for your safety. You ARE required to respect my right to not have anything I don't want inside my body.

I believe we are arguing over whether or not those rights are valid. I think they call it that cutesy name... 'The Abortion Debate', I think?

[Dragoria]

Not the woman's problem.

There is some point where you got to admit that the house-owners, be they slanted pro-choice or pro-life, in all these hypothetical situations are not gracious hosts, and just move on with the argument.
'Honey! Time to move out!'
'Mooooom, the outside is too cold and has noxious fumes, I'll die within a few minutes of leaving the door!'
'Not my problem.'

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to use someone else's body without their permission, no matter what effect being blocked from using their body has on you.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Not the woman's problem.

There is some point where you got to admit that the house-owners, be they slanted pro-choice or pro-life, in all these hypothetical situations are not gracious hosts, and just move on with the argument.
'Honey! Time to move out!'
'Mooooom, the outside is too cold and has noxious fumes, I'll die within a few minutes of leaving the door!'
'Not my problem.'

False.

[Asuiop]

Fixed

That's productive of you. And also super correct. Except not.
Either present a real argument or admit you lose the debate.

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

[Dakini]

Explain what?

Your argument is bullshit, I'm not going to shovel it.

You know what bullshit is right? It's shit that comes out of one of these:

(Image)

And I assume you can guess what it means to shovel shit. Or do I have to show you what a shovel looks like too?

No explanation. Try Again.

Nope. If you want an explanation, make a less shitty argument.

moo!

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Doesn't matter. I'm not required to be responsible for your safety. You ARE required to respect my right to not have anything I don't want inside my body.

I believe we are arguing over whether or not those rights are valid. I think they call it that cutesy name... 'The Abortion Debate', I think?

Do you get the right to use my body against my will for any reason?

[Dakini]

That's productive of you. And also super correct. Except not.
Either present a real argument or admit you lose the debate.

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

Not her problem.

[Asuiop]

No explanation. Try Again.

Nope. If you want an explanation, make a less shitty argument.

No explanation. Try again.


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[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That's productive of you. And also super correct. Except not.
Either present a real argument or admit you lose the debate.

The thing is the fetus had no choice in being put there, and you are ultimately to blame.

It might be the fault of those who got pregnant, but having sex is not a crime that can be punished by the removal of bodily rights.

(and I'm off again to play minecraft. Bye bye, be back later.)

[Dragoria]

Doesn't matter. I'm not required to be responsible for your safety. You ARE required to respect my right to not have anything I don't want inside my body.

I believe we are arguing over whether or not those rights are valid. I think they call it that cutesy name... 'The Abortion Debate', I think?

Sorry, whether or not someone's fundamental human rights are "valid" is not up for discussion. And arguing that someone's fundamental human rights are "invalid" simply because of how their reproductive organs are arranged is sexist and disgusting.

[Yes Im Biop]

Well Women seem extremely happy with this outcome eh?

[Bodobol]

Nope. If you want an explanation, make a less shitty argument.

No explanation. Try again.


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Cut the crap, guys, stop arguing over who's argument is shittier, and actually get back to proving that the other's argument is shittier.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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Are you even trying anymore?