Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Asuiop]

Its pleasurable.. So? Locking people in your house and calling the cops on them for trespassing may be enjoyable to you too, except you can't do that.

So leaving your door open for some fresh air (having sex for enjoyment) does not make it okay for some random person (the fetus) to come in the house.

Its less like that then:
You open the door for fresh air and invite your friend inside. Your friend's friend comes in with him and you shoot him because he is trespassing.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Your father is not the one staying in the woman's body when she no longer wants you there.

Because I obviously have elsewhere to go with reasonable safety.

Not the woman's problem.

[Agorya]

Fungi are also multicellular. But we have sprays to get rid of them.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Ever heard of reading the posts before to find out what we were talking about?

Umad?

[Asuiop]

No, its more like:
You invite your friend into your house. Your friend brings another friend, so you shoot the other friend since you didn't invite him here and he is trespassing.

Nope. False equivalence is false. Try again.

Sorry, you don't get to do that without explaining. Try Again.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So leaving your door open for some fresh air (having sex for enjoyment) does not make it okay for some random person (the fetus) to come in the house.

Its less like that then:
You open the door for fresh air and invite your friend inside. Your friend's friend comes in with him and you shoot him because he is trespassing.

Negative, Ghostrider.

[Dragoria]

Your father is not the one staying in the woman's body when she no longer wants you there.

Because I obviously have elsewhere to go with reasonable safety.

Doesn't matter. I'm not required to be responsible for your safety. You ARE required to respect my right to not have anything I don't want inside my body.

[Asuiop]

Its less like that then:
You open the door for fresh air and invite your friend inside. Your friend's friend comes in with him and you shoot him because he is trespassing.

Negative, Ghostrider.

You don't get to do that without explaining.

[Dragoria]

Negative, Ghostrider.

You don't get to do that without explaining.

Vagina =/= house. How's that?

[Madredia]

So basically, the cells of my arm are human cells because they're part of a human organism.

Thank you.

The cells on your arm are dead btw. You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep. But thats besides the point. They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens. Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own. I like this argument:

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

[Asuiop]

You don't get to do that without explaining.

Vagina =/= house. How's that?

You do know what an analogy is correct?

[Dragoria]

The cells on your arm are dead btw. You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep. But thats besides the point. They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens. Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own. I like this argument:

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

Being an individual does not magically grant you the "right" to use someone else's body against that someone else's will. No matter how developed or undeveloped of an individual you are.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So basically, the cells of my arm are human cells because they're part of a human organism.

Thank you.

The cells on your arm are dead btw. You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep. But thats besides the point. They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens. Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own. I like this argument:

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens. If they drop, then the skin develops the scrotum and penile apparatus, if not, the uterus and other organs develop.

Lrn2med

[Alyekra]

No, abortion is cutting the person into pieces, and then throwing them in traffic.

Oh, for fuck's sake. A VAGINA IS NOT A HOUSE and people need to stop using that comparison.
Someone is raping you. Are you allowed to defend yourself? Y/N?

Yes. You may even be allowed to use lethal force against the rapist because he is actually doing something wrong.

[Asuiop]

The cells on your arm are dead btw. You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep. But thats besides the point. They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens. Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own. I like this argument:

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens.

Lrn2med

You ignored the unique genetic makeup.

[Dragoria]

Vagina =/= house. How's that?

You do know what an analogy is correct?

I also know what an inaccurate analogy is.

[Dakini]

So basically, the cells of my arm are human cells because they're part of a human organism.

Thank you.

The cells on your arm are dead btw.

The cells of my arm are not just the cells on my arm. I assure you that my muscles, bones, blood etc cells are all quite alive and well (except the ones dying and being replaced by others).

You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep.

Which of course, implies that you just failed at reading and understanding my post and felt like nitpicking.

But thats besides the point.

...because you wanted to make yourself feel superior or some shit.

They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens.

No, they are not homo sapiens sapiens. They are also not unicellular organisms like that asinine argument you were making. A fetus has homo sapiens sapiens cells and has the potential to become an individual life. However, it cannot perform many of the tasks required for life so it does not qualify most of the time it's in the womb. It is basically not an individual organism in the same way that the cells of my arm are not individual organisms.

Even if it were, I have the right to toss it the fuck out because once again: No person (or potential person) has the right to use another person's body.

Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own.

Actually, as a woman I've got some amount of natural chimerism due to selective X-chromosome deactivation.

Plus, you know, assorted mutations that happen and shit.

I like this argument:

Should be fun dismantling it.

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

Nevermind. Your argument is just totally irrelevant.

[United Dependencies]

Just in time to take the public attention away from NC's new restrictions I suppose.

*sigh*

[Anachronous Rex]

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens.

Lrn2med

You ignored the unique genetic makeup.

Because "fuck you twins."

[Madredia]

The cells on your arm are dead btw. You would not kill them by scratching unless it was deep. But thats besides the point. They are not homo sapiens sapiens, thats the point i was making. A fetus is a homo sapiens sapiens. Your cells don't have a unique genetic makeup different from your own. I like this argument:

A fertilized human embryo has its own unique genetic human signature that is different than that of either of its parents. This shows that it is clearly not additional tissue mass belonging to the mother. The genetic material in each cell of the developing embryo has a unique identity separate from the mother's. Additionally, developing male fetuses have penises, so asserting that they are simply unviable tissue mass belonging to the woman carrying them is problematic, as this would mean that the woman in question has a penis.

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens. If they drop, then the skin develops the scrotum and penile apparatus, if not, the uterus and other organs develop.

Lrn2med

Genitalia is developed by the end of Week 11.

[Crumlark]

By being removed from the womb, which is the specific environment that fetuses are known to survive in, it is quite easy to understand that with incredibly rare circumstances, the unborn will die of exposure. What situation justifies such recklessness to the life (or potential to life, should you claim they are not technically alive without being able to survive independently) of a fetus?

No person or potential person has the right to use another person's body without their permission.

But surely... the unborn have no choice. They either use it or die. They cannot give consent to their certain death.

[Dragoria]

Oh, for fuck's sake. A VAGINA IS NOT A HOUSE and people need to stop using that comparison.
Someone is raping you. Are you allowed to defend yourself? Y/N?

Yes. You may even be allowed to use lethal force against the rapist because he is actually doing something wrong.

Right. He is using your body, specifically your reproductive organs, against your will, which is something that no "individual", no "person", no "human being" is allowed to do under any circumstances, no matter how developed they are or aren't.

[Dakini]

Nope. False equivalence is false. Try again.

Sorry, you don't get to do that without explaining. Try Again.

Sorry, you don't get to make up bullshit that's in no way equivalent and expect me to shovel it for you.

[Asuiop]

Sorry, you don't get to do that without explaining. Try Again.

Sorry, you don't get to make up bullshit that's in no way equivalent and expect me to shovel it for you.

No explanation. Try Again.

[Bodobol]

So leaving your door open for some fresh air (having sex for enjoyment) does not make it okay for some random person (the fetus) to come in the house.

Its less like that then:
You open the door for fresh air and invite your friend inside. Your friend's friend comes in with him and you shoot him because he is trespassing.

As said before by Dragoria, this whole house metaphor is stupid. What you're saying is that since you're having sex with someone, that person wants to have a kid (hence, your friend's friend), and so he gets upset when you demand control over your own body and abort the fetus.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

BULLSHIT!!!

I will not let you or anyone else stomp on medicine like this.

In fact, fetuses have NO SEXUAL ORGANS in the early stages, and when they develop, they look more like FEMALE fetuses. The reproductive organs only begin to take form later on in the process, in which either the sexual organs drop or stay in. Which is why hermaprhoditism happens.

Lrn2med

You ignored the unique genetic makeup.

Because the entire genetic makeup is true. Once the zygote forms, the cells in the zygote does, indeed, have the genetic makeup of both parents, but also unique combinations from both.

However, this does not mean that the zygote/early fetus is a human being, it is merely a clump of cells in her body.