Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

Infanticide is not a bodily right.

No one here is advocating for infanticide.

[Dragoria]

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

That's like inviting a guy into your house, locking the door, and then killing him because he's trespassing on your land.

Noooooo.
A body is not a house. Sex is not "inviting" pregnancy.

[Anachronous Rex]

Seriously?

You know there is such a thing as single celled animals?

Christ people, I learned this when I was 15.

Interestingly I just discovered that keratinocytes, the cells that make up most skin, are not in fact, protists, but are some sort of animalia eukaryotic cell. I was very mistaken on that fact. However as far as I know, from research, animals can't be single celled. Animals are multicellular and eukaryotic.

I know. It was a bit of a ploy on my part.

You see, what you've done... is argued that zygotes are not even animals.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

You would think that this is easy to grasp. But it isn't, and that's disappointing. Consent to fuck is not consent to pregnancy. A woman doesn't revoke hr bodily rights by fucking.

I mean, what the fuck? How did some of these people pass any intellectual tests in their childhood?

[Agorya]

Seriously, provide a source that explains how human cells are not human and do not belong to the kingdom animalia.

For one thing this picture explains it

Look at any science website and it will say, to be in the Kingdom Animalia, the organism has to be multicellular.

Fungi are also multicellular. But we have sprays to get rid of them.

[Asuiop]

But that isn't getting him/her out,

Yes it is.

its killing it.

Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place. She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

[Dragoria]

This has been driving me nuts for a while now.
It doesn't MATTER if the fetus is or isn't a "person" or a "human being" or an "individual" or whatever else.
Because even if it is, no "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else has the "right" to use someone else's body against that someone else's will.
If someone rapes a woman, she is allowed to kill them in self defense. Because they are trying to use her body, specifically her reproductive organs, against her will. So it's already established that a woman can kill a "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else to defend her right not to have her body, specifically her reproductive organs, used by the offending individual against her will.
Why people keep arguing "BUT ITS A PERSUN!" and thinking that makes any sort of difference is beyond me.

I, personally, would much rather not be killed for my father's crimes. Thank you very much.

Your father is not the one staying in the woman's body when she no longer wants you there.

[The Quadruple Alliance]

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

Hi!! Local Devil's Advocate here!! I'm here to poke holes in arguments without really any cause or reason too other then my mind likes debate and logic.

Anyways, by your definition, aborting a fetus makes it a person. Because it leaves through the vagina during the process.

Also by your definition, people born from c-sections are not real people, as they never left the vagina.

You may thus wish to revise your definition, based on the above perceived flaws in logic. If this definition was, however, fully as you intend it to be, then I apologize and simply comment that your definition of a person is a strange one indeed.

[Dakini]

Seriously, provide a source that explains how human cells are not human and do not belong to the kingdom animalia.

For one thing this picture explains it

Look at any science website and it will say, to be in the Kingdom Animalia, the organism has to be multicellular.

...so then human cells are part of animalia.

It's not like they can live on their own.


I do not think you understand what an organism is.

[Asuiop]

For one thing this picture explains it

Look at any science website and it will say, to be in the Kingdom Animalia, the organism has to be multicellular.

Fungi are also multicellular. But we have sprays to get rid of them.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Ever heard of reading the posts before to find out what we were talking about?

[Asuiop]

For one thing this picture explains it

Look at any science website and it will say, to be in the Kingdom Animalia, the organism has to be multicellular.

...so then human cells are part of animalia.

It's not like they can live on their own.


I do not think you understand what an organism is.

No, you don't understand what an organism is.

A single human cell is not an organism, the human is.

[Bodobol]

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

Hi!! Local Devil's Advocate here!! I'm here to poke holes in arguments without really any cause or reason too other then my mind likes debate and logic.

Anyways, by your definition, aborting a fetus makes it a person. Because it leaves through the vagina during the process.

Also by your definition, people born from c-sections are not real people, as they never left the vagina.

You may thus wish to revise your definition, based on the above perceived flaws in logic. If this definition was, however, fully as you intend it to be, then I apologize and simply comment that your definition of a person is a strange one indeed.

XD

I consider a fetus to be a person once it is actually born.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes it is.


Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place. She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

Nope.

Consent to have sex does not mean consent to be pregnant.

[Dakini]

Yes it is.


Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place.

No "your" did not.

She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

1. No she didn't.
2. She can still choose to revoke consent at any time. Just like with sex.

[Dragoria]

Yes it is.


Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place. She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

Consent to sex IS NOT consent to pregnancy. And consent to something this second is not consent to something permanently. Consent can be revoked at any time for any reason. It's like you have no idea what consent/"allowing" even is.

[Madredia]

Interestingly I just discovered that keratinocytes, the cells that make up most skin, are not in fact, protists, but are some sort of animalia eukaryotic cell. I was very mistaken on that fact. However as far as I know, from research, animals can't be single celled. Animals are multicellular and eukaryotic.

This doesn't look like a source to me.

"All animals are members of the Kingdom Animalia, also called Metazoa. This Kingdom does not contain prokaryotes (Kingdom Monera, includes bacteria, blue-green algae) or protists (Kingdom Protista, includes unicellular eukaryotic organisms). All members of Animalia are multicellular, and all are heterotrophs (that is, they rely directly or indirectly on other organisms for their nourishment). Most ingest food and digest it in an internal cavity." -http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/Animalia/


However I was wrong about human cells not being Animalia. Thats what I was saying about keratinocytes.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You would think that this is easy to grasp. But it isn't, and that's disappointing. Consent to fuck is not consent to pregnancy. A woman doesn't revoke hr bodily rights by fucking.

I mean, what the fuck? How did some of these people pass any intellectual tests in their childhood?

How indeed.

What I find ridiculously sad is that most of the people crying "infanticide" and seeking to control women's ability to choose will never be pregnant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

Hi!! Local Devil's Advocate here!! I'm here to poke holes in arguments without really any cause or reason too other then my mind likes debate and logic.

Anyways, by your definition, aborting a fetus makes it a person. Because it leaves through the vagina during the process.

Also by your definition, people born from c-sections are not real people, as they never left the vagina.

You may thus wish to revise your definition, based on the above perceived flaws in logic. If this definition was, however, fully as you intend it to be, then I apologize and simply comment that your definition of a person is a strange one indeed.

This post is golden

[Dakini]

...so then human cells are part of animalia.

It's not like they can live on their own.


I do not think you understand what an organism is.

No, you don't understand what an organism is.

A single human cell is not an organism, the human is.

The fact that the cells of my arm do not continue to live on their own if my arm is cut off or if I, as an organism die, means that they are not single-celled organisms. They are part of me, as an organism. They are indisputably human cells and they are indisputably human.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes it is.


Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place. She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

Negative, Ghostrider.

[Dakini]

This doesn't look like a source to me.

"All animals are members of the Kingdom Animalia, also called Metazoa. This Kingdom does not contain prokaryotes (Kingdom Monera, includes bacteria, blue-green algae) or protists (Kingdom Protista, includes unicellular eukaryotic organisms). All members of Animalia are multicellular, and all are heterotrophs (that is, they rely directly or indirectly on other organisms for their nourishment). Most ingest food and digest it in an internal cavity." -http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/Animalia/


However I was wrong about human cells not being Animalia. Thats what I was saying about keratinocytes.

So basically, the cells of my arm are human cells because they're part of a human organism.

Thank you.

[Asuiop]

Except that your forced the fetus in there in the first place.

No "your" did not.

She allowed it to use her body by having sex.

1. No she didn't.
2. She can still choose to revoke consent at any time. Just like with sex.

Combining sperm and egg cells to create an embryo inside of you is forcing it inside of you.

No, when you lock someone in your house, you can't call the cops and tell them that they are trespassing. The same principle applies.

[The Quadruple Alliance]

...so then human cells are part of animalia.

It's not like they can live on their own.


I do not think you understand what an organism is.

No, you don't understand what an organism is.

A single human cell is not an organism, the human is.

Technically within a short period of time the one cell becomes two, and is then multicellular. There's only a short window for which that argument applies.

Although I am advocating neither for nor against either position, I will call out flaws and assumptions on the actual science.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I mean, what the fuck? How did some of these people pass any intellectual tests in their childhood?

How indeed.

What I find ridiculously sad is that most of the people crying "infanticide" and seeking to control women's ability to choose will never be pregnant.

For realsies.
Not to mention they apparently don't know what infanticide is???
Next they're going to call screaming at your mother and slamming the door in her face "matricide."

[Alyekra]

"All animals are members of the Kingdom Animalia, also called Metazoa. This Kingdom does not contain prokaryotes (Kingdom Monera, includes bacteria, blue-green algae) or protists (Kingdom Protista, includes unicellular eukaryotic organisms). All members of Animalia are multicellular, and all are heterotrophs (that is, they rely directly or indirectly on other organisms for their nourishment). Most ingest food and digest it in an internal cavity." -http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/Animalia/


However I was wrong about human cells not being Animalia. Thats what I was saying about keratinocytes.

So basically, the cells of my arm are human cells because they're part of a human organism.

Thank you.

Not unless the cells of your arm are in the process of developing into another person.