Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Bodobol]

This has been driving me nuts for a while now.
It doesn't MATTER if the fetus is or isn't a "person" or a "human being" or an "individual" or whatever else.
Because even if it is, no "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else has the "right" to use someone else's body against that someone else's will.
If someone rapes a woman, she is allowed to kill them in self defense. Because they are trying to use her body, specifically her reproductive organs, against her will. So it's already established that a woman can kill a "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else to defend her right not to have her body, specifically her reproductive organs, used by the offending individual against her will.
Why people keep arguing "BUT ITS A PERSUN!" and thinking that makes any sort of difference is beyond me.

Except the woman did put the fetus there, by having sex. Saying you suddenly don't want it is like yelling rape in the middle of consensual sex.

So you're saying that women who are raped choose to have sex?

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Except the woman did put the fetus there, by having sex. Saying you suddenly don't want it is like yelling rape in the middle of consensual sex.

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Most people who have this mindset about abortion also don't understand the concept of consent, either.

[Asuiop]

Except the woman did put the fetus there, by having sex. Saying you suddenly don't want it is like yelling rape in the middle of consensual sex.

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

[Dakini]

Seriously?

You know there is such a thing as single celled animals?

Christ people, I learned this when I was 15.

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Animals a required to be multi-cellular, otherwise they get put in the kingdom Protista, or occasionally Fungi

Seriously, provide a source that explains how human cells are not human and do not belong to the kingdom animalia.

[Madredia]

They aren't, the human is, but the individual cells aren't.

Seriously?

You know there is such a thing as single celled animals?

Christ people, I learned this when I was 15.

Interestingly I just discovered that keratinocytes, the cells that make up most skin, are not in fact, protists, but are some sort of animalia eukaryotic cell. I was very mistaken on that fact. However as far as I know, from research, animals can't be single celled. Animals are multicellular and eukaryotic.

[Dragoria]

This has been driving me nuts for a while now.
It doesn't MATTER if the fetus is or isn't a "person" or a "human being" or an "individual" or whatever else.
Because even if it is, no "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else has the "right" to use someone else's body against that someone else's will.
If someone rapes a woman, she is allowed to kill them in self defense. Because they are trying to use her body, specifically her reproductive organs, against her will. So it's already established that a woman can kill a "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else to defend her right not to have her body, specifically her reproductive organs, used by the offending individual against her will.
Why people keep arguing "BUT ITS A PERSUN!" and thinking that makes any sort of difference is beyond me.

Well, okay, I have to admit the whole "personhood" as well as the entire "self-defense" arguments in this case are both ridiculous. For one, the fetus isn't even a person, or a human being. And this renders the "self-defense" argument as a piss poor excuse to engage in something rather illogical and you are conceding the point that fetuses are people.

Like medicine has proven many times, a fetus is not a human until, and if it can survive outside of the womb on its own.

I'm not saying I agree with "it's a person as soon as it's fertilized!" I'm saying that even if it was it would not make any difference, because "a person" does not have a right to use someone else's body against the someone else's will.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

[Dakini]

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

You clearly can get it out. That's what this entire debate is about. Haven't you been paying attention?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

Which is why abortion exists.

And an animal cell is part of the animal kingdom because it is a cell of an animal. Jesus.

[Asuiop]

Except the woman did put the fetus there, by having sex. Saying you suddenly don't want it is like yelling rape in the middle of consensual sex.

So you're saying that women who are raped choose to have sex?

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

What is it with you pro-choice people and throwing rape into the conversation? If you look at my many posts before, I AM OKAY WITH ABORTIONS IN CASES OF RAPE.

[Asuiop]

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

Which is why abortion exists.

And an animal cell is part of the animal kingdom because it is a cell of an animal. Jesus.

But that isn't getting him/her out, its killing it.

[Dragoria]

Consent absolutely can be revoked at any point for any reason during any sexual act. Continuing the act for even a second after the individual has revoked consent IS rape.
Someone doesn't understand how consent works.

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

The fetus gets out through abortion. Pretty simple.

[Dakini]

Seriously?

You know there is such a thing as single celled animals?

Christ people, I learned this when I was 15.

Interestingly I just discovered that keratinocytes, the cells that make up most skin, are not in fact, protists, but are some sort of animalia eukaryotic cell. I was very mistaken on that fact. However as far as I know, from research, animals can't be single celled. Animals are multicellular and eukaryotic.

This doesn't look like a source to me.

[Asuiop]

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

That's like inviting a guy into your house, locking the door, and then killing him because he's trespassing on your land.

[Anachronous Rex]

Seriously?

You know there is such a thing as single celled animals?

Christ people, I learned this when I was 15.

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Animals a required to be multi-cellular, otherwise they get put in the kingdom Protista, or occasionally Fungi

I was really hoping you would say that.

Asuiop agrees. Zygotes are not human. They are not even animals.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So you're saying that women who are raped choose to have sex?

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

What is it with you pro-choice people and throwing rape into the conversation? If you look at my many posts before, I AM OKAY WITH ABORTIONS IN CASES OF RAPE.

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID IT CAN'T BE RAPE IF IT STARTS AS CONSENSUAL SEX.
Do not even try to blame it on us.

[Crumlark]

It depends on who you ask. The potential to be a human is the definition I will take to my grave.
A woman, and an individual. How is that? I apologize for my terminology if it legitimately confused you.

There's only one individual involved in abortions. You could argue that there's a potential individual as well, but the only individual is the woman.

And yeah, using incorrect terminology does tend to get confusing. It makes a person think that you're trying to discuss post-3rd trimester "abortions".

Very well. Why do you support age-unlockable rights to the body?

This has been driving me nuts for a while now.
It doesn't MATTER if the fetus is or isn't a "person" or a "human being" or an "individual" or whatever else.
Because even if it is, no "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else has the "right" to use someone else's body against that someone else's will.
If someone rapes a woman, she is allowed to kill them in self defense. Because they are trying to use her body, specifically her reproductive organs, against her will. So it's already established that a woman can kill a "person" or "human being" or "individual" or whatever else to defend her right not to have her body, specifically her reproductive organs, used by the offending individual against her will.
Why people keep arguing "BUT ITS A PERSUN!" and thinking that makes any sort of difference is beyond me.

I, personally, would much rather not be killed for my father's crimes. Thank you very much.

[Bodobol]

So you're saying that women who are raped choose to have sex?

And BTW, I consider a fetus to be a person once it leaves the vagina.

What is it with you pro-choice people and throwing rape into the conversation? If you look at my many posts before, I AM OKAY WITH ABORTIONS IN CASES OF RAPE.

You were replying to a post that mentioned rape and you said that the woman put the fetus there.

[Dakini]

Which is why abortion exists.

And an animal cell is part of the animal kingdom because it is a cell of an animal. Jesus.

But that isn't getting him/her out,

Yes it is.

its killing it.

Which is an unfortunate consequence, but no person gets to use another person's body and no potential person should be granted special rights to do so either.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

That's like inviting a guy into your house, locking the door, and then killing him because he's trespassing on your land.

Except not even close.

[The Grey Wolf]

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

Infanticide is not a bodily right.

[Dakini]

There's only one individual involved in abortions. You could argue that there's a potential individual as well, but the only individual is the woman.

And yeah, using incorrect terminology does tend to get confusing. It makes a person think that you're trying to discuss post-3rd trimester "abortions".

Very well. Why do you support age-unlockable rights to the body?

I don't. Infants do not have rights to anyone's body either.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Except, she put the fetus in a position where you can't get out.

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

You would think that this is easy to grasp. But it isn't, and that's disappointing. Consent to fuck is not consent to pregnancy. A woman doesn't revoke hr bodily rights by fucking.

[Dakini]

That doesn't mean she revokes her bodily rights by having sex.

Infanticide is not a bodily right.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Asuiop]

just
Animals a required to be multi-cellular, otherwise they get put in the kingdom Protista, or occasionally Fungi

Seriously, provide a source that explains how human cells are not human and do not belong to the kingdom animalia.

For one thing this picture explains it

Look at any science website and it will say, to be in the Kingdom Animalia, the organism has to be multicellular.