Christian Discussion Thread III

[Neo Rome Republic]

The zeal to fight religion might be, it's growing influence in US politics. Such as:The Christian Right and Creationists. And, the negative aspects of Islam today in the Middle East then, throw in the Roman Catholic sex scandals. And now, you have a boiling pot of negative attitudes toward religion.

Thats the right thing right there.

Religion has no place in politics because any religion that dominates the government would restrict the religious freedoms held by others.

No one is perfect! I believe that a Divine being like God can set forth into motion what atheists hold...science...i think he can do all of that. But i dont shove my rossary or my bible down anyones throat! The Conservatives in Saudi Arabia criticize the Al Queda rat bastards today because of their view. And just because some priests "mollest" doesnt mean EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A MOLLESTER. Why should we hate "The Whole" just because of one...Case in point...Osama Bin Ladin...

Well... it's wasn't just ONE isolated incident in Islam or Catholicism. I agree with you for the most part, but if you want to discuss this further, I'd suggest you start a thread of your own. We're going off topic.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

He could. But, please read the following verses.
Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:9-10 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
Romans 10:13 - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This is the very famous "Romans Road to Salvation". These, among many other verses state that Jesus is the only way to salvation. So, God COULD save anyone he chooses, but he doesn't because they must accept Jesus and his sacrifice. If you don't, you go to Hell. The bible is very clear about that. And for the sake of argument lets just use Christianity, not Judaism. I know, I said Judeo-Christian god, but this is a Christian thread.

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge.

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Thats the right thing right there.

Religion has no place in politics because any religion that dominates the government would restrict the religious freedoms held by others.

No one is perfect! I believe that a Divine being like God can set forth into motion what atheists hold...science...i think he can do all of that. But i dont shove my rossary or my bible down anyones throat! The Conservatives in Saudi Arabia criticize the Al Queda rat bastards today because of their view. And just because some priests "mollest" doesnt mean EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A MOLLESTER. Why should we hate "The Whole" just because of one...Case in point...Osama Bin Ladin...

Well... it's wasn't just ONE isolated incident in Islam or Catholicism. I agree with you for the most part, but if you want to discuss this further, I'd suggest you start a thread of your own. We're going off topic.

TY

[Athylon Prime]

He could. But, please read the following verses.
Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:9-10 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
Romans 10:13 - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This is the very famous "Romans Road to Salvation". These, among many other verses state that Jesus is the only way to salvation. So, God COULD save anyone he chooses, but he doesn't because they must accept Jesus and his sacrifice. If you don't, you go to Hell. The bible is very clear about that. And for the sake of argument lets just use Christianity, not Judaism. I know, I said Judeo-Christian god, but this is a Christian thread.

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge, which means your assumption COULD be correct or false who knows the mind of God.

I haven't looked at it that way. Hmmm, food for thought. Also, have you ever visited the Southern United States? Almost everybody here holds that view.

[Menassa]

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge, which means your assumption COULD be correct or false who knows the mind of God.

I haven't looked at it that way. Hmmm, food for thought. Also, have you ever visited the Southern United States? Almost everybody here holds that view.

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

He could. But, please read the following verses.
Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:9-10 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
Romans 10:13 - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This is the very famous "Romans Road to Salvation". These, among many other verses state that Jesus is the only way to salvation. So, God COULD save anyone he chooses, but he doesn't because they must accept Jesus and his sacrifice. If you don't, you go to Hell. The bible is very clear about that. And for the sake of argument lets just use Christianity, not Judaism. I know, I said Judeo-Christian god, but this is a Christian thread.

Try reading Ezekiel 18
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Yeah God isn't happy about his people going to "hell" but he doesn't mean people don't go. God already laid the way to salvation. At this point, the people who go to hell choose to do so.

[The Realm of God]

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge, which means your assumption COULD be correct or false who knows the mind of God.

I haven't looked at it that way. Hmmm, food for thought. Also, have you ever visited the Southern United States? Almost everybody here holds that view.

Yes, I have though I am British in origin. If you are interested in that sort of stuff look at Orthodox theology .

[Athylon Prime]

I haven't looked at it that way. Hmmm, food for thought. Also, have you ever visited the Southern United States? Almost everybody here holds that view.

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

[The Realm of God]

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge.

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

Yes that is the system and nothing I said contradicted that however people damn themselves through disobedience to him and God often corrected people who were disobedient to him often by giving them a punishment to restore them to the right path. Jesus often intervines to help people in the gospel and nothing says that he can't continue to do so.

[Menassa]

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

I'm inclined to agree.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

And Jesus said: Bring me that ass

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

Yes that is the system and nothing I said contradicted that however people damn themselves through disobedience to him and God often corrected people who were disobedient to him often by giving them a punishment to restore them to the right path. Jesus often intervines to help people in the gospel and nothing says that he can't continue to do so.

Not saying he can't, but the system is pretty specific on who is getting saved.

[Athylon Prime]

Try reading Ezekiel 18
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Yeah God isn't happy about his people going to "hell" but he doesn't mean people don't go. God already laid the way to salvation. At this point, the people who go to hell choose to do so.

I hate when people say it's a choice. That's like saying you have a choice in a robbery. Give the man your wallet or he'll blow your brains out. Some choice. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. And for the eternal bliss, you have to accept Jesus as your saviour and go by a certain set of rules and regulations your whole life, no matter what you want to do, or go to Hell. Remember, it's not about your will or so called "God-given freedom". It's all about the fulfillment of God's will on earth as it is in Heaven.

[The Tovian Way]

Yeah God isn't happy about his people going to "hell" but he doesn't mean people don't go. God already laid the way to salvation. At this point, the people who go to hell choose to do so.

I hate when people say it's a choice. That's like saying you have a choice in a robbery. Give the man your wallet or he'll blow your brains out. Some choice. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. And for the eternal bliss, you have to accept Jesus as your saviour and go by a certain set of rules and regulations your whole life, no matter what you want to do, or go to Hell. Remember, it's not about your will or so called "God-given freedom". It's all about the fulfillment of God's will on earth as it is in Heaven.

Heaven is eternity with God. Hell is eternity without God.
Earth is the place where you choose your eternity. If you choose to live on Earth with God as much as possible, you are granted this in eternity in Heaven. If you choose to live on Earth without God as much as possible, you are granted this in eternity in Hell.
That's simply God respecting the free will He gave to each of His human creatures.

[Menassa]

Yeah God isn't happy about his people going to "hell" but he doesn't mean people don't go. God already laid the way to salvation. At this point, the people who go to hell choose to do so.

I hate when people say it's a choice. That's like saying you have a choice in a robbery. Give the man your wallet or he'll blow your brains out. Some choice. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. And for the eternal bliss, you have to accept Jesus as your saviour and go by a certain set of rules and regulations your whole life, no matter what you want to do, or go to Hell. Remember, it's not about your will or so called "God-given freedom". It's all about the fulfillment of God's will on earth as it is in Heaven.

If you go by those rules and regulations you're essentially doing the opposite of what Jesus wanted: Galatians, more specifically Galatians 3:11.

[The Realm of God]

Yes that is the system and nothing I said contradicted that however people damn themselves through disobedience to him and God often corrected people who were disobedient to him often by giving them a punishment to restore them to the right path. Jesus often intervines to help people in the gospel and nothing says that he can't continue to do so.

Not saying he can't, but the system is pretty specific on who is getting saved.

That's all you need to acknowledge, that possibility. The Orthodox Church has always taken the Great Commission seriously and has always endeavoured to teach that Christianity is the way to salvation and Jesus is "the way, the truth and the light," and that no one gets to the father without him. However that possibility is something our monastics pray for and is something that is not anathematised.

[Athylon Prime]

I hate when people say it's a choice. That's like saying you have a choice in a robbery. Give the man your wallet or he'll blow your brains out. Some choice. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. And for the eternal bliss, you have to accept Jesus as your saviour and go by a certain set of rules and regulations your whole life, no matter what you want to do, or go to Hell. Remember, it's not about your will or so called "God-given freedom". It's all about the fulfillment of God's will on earth as it is in Heaven.

If you go by those rules and regulations you're essentially doing the opposite of what Jesus wanted: Galatians, more specifically Galatians 3:11.

I'm glad somebody actually reads the whole bible. Weird question. Any particular branch of Christianity you adhere to?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

If you go by those rules and regulations you're essentially doing the opposite of what Jesus wanted: Galatians, more specifically Galatians 3:11.

I'm glad somebody actually reads the whole bible. Weird question. Any particular branch of Christianity you adhere to?

He's Jewish.

[Menassa]

If you go by those rules and regulations you're essentially doing the opposite of what Jesus wanted: Galatians, more specifically Galatians 3:11.

I'm glad somebody actually reads the whole bible. Weird question. Any particular branch of Christianity you adhere to?

I was a Christian, before Christianity was Christian.... Word.

[Athylon Prime]

I'm glad somebody actually reads the whole bible. Weird question. Any particular branch of Christianity you adhere to?

He's Jewish.

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

[Athylon Prime]

I'm glad somebody actually reads the whole bible. Weird question. Any particular branch of Christianity you adhere to?

I was a Christian, before Christianity was Christian.... Word.

[Menassa]

He's Jewish.

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

Not many are, and it's rather unfortunate.

[Gallup]

Here's a question: Are Mormons Christian? I don't think so, as they believe in Jesus coming a third time in america.

[Menassa]

Here's question: Are Mormons Christian? I don't think so.

Who do you think is a Christian?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

He's Jewish.

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

It's funny how often those most familiar with the Bible are non-Christians.