Christian Discussion Thread III

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'd agree with that.

Cool.

I'd like to point out though, that "damned" is a state brought on ones self, not by act of God.

[The Holy Catholic Union]

I'm not sure that one gets to, rather they spend all Purgatory searching for salvation that will never come.

Ironically, the Sleepy Hollow show got that right, but can't figure out the order of the fricken horseman.

So if one fails to accept God during a finite amount of time, he/she/they cannot accept God during an infinite amount of time afterwards?

That...doesn't make sense.

God works in mysterious ways.

[The Holy Catholic Union]

Cool.

I'd like to point out though, that "damned" is a state brought on ones self, not by act of God.

I'm aware it is by choice we reject the eternal love of Christ and choose to be damned.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'm not sure that one gets to, rather they spend all Purgatory searching for salvation that will never come.

Ironically, the Sleepy Hollow show got that right, but can't figure out the order of the fricken horseman.

So if one fails to accept God during a finite amount of time, he/she/they cannot accept God during an infinite amount of time afterwards?

That...doesn't make sense.

I'd also like to point out, there the Church is adamant, that there are things we cannot possibly fathom about the nature of God. In fact there is a set of prayers in the RCC that literally just ruminate on the mysteries of Faith.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Woah, like 5 posts just got deleted....

[Spiritual Universalism]

Every human has the capacity for good. Everyone.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Indeed. Keep it civil, keep it on topic, per favore. Grazie.

[The Grey Wolf]

I'm not sure that one gets to, rather they spend all Purgatory searching for salvation that will never come.

Ironically, the Sleepy Hollow show got that right, but can't figure out the order of the fricken horseman.

So if one fails to accept God during a finite amount of time, he/she/they cannot accept God during an infinite amount of time afterwards?

That...doesn't make sense.

That's one thing I didn't get. I've heard and read that Christians should pray for the deceased. But if those deceased died unsaved, what's the point? If you cannot be forgiven after death, or accept Christ, there's not really anything prayer would do.

[Othelos]

So...you're saying that love isn't really all that pure or wise?

Yeah, it really isn't. What's the cliche? Biochemically no different than consuming large amounts of chocolate.

I'm not saying love is bad, but there is definitely unhealthy love, immoral loves. Nothing is pure, where humanity is concerned.

No where in the Bible does it say there is anything wrong with or immoral about love between humans.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So if one fails to accept God during a finite amount of time, he/she/they cannot accept God during an infinite amount of time afterwards?

That...doesn't make sense.

That's one thing I didn't get. I've heard and read that Christians should pray for the deceased. But if those deceased died unsaved, what's the point? If you cannot be forgiven after death, or accept Christ, there's not really anything prayer would do.

From what I've been study since this question was asked (not all of it catholic) Hell is what comes at the Revelation: The pit of Fire and Second death. I've made this argument before, but I didn't realize the correct term is Hades, which is essentially what purgatory and Sheol are. While in Hades, salvation is still obtainable, but not on ones own, only by grace of God, thus the Christians are called to pray for the dead, as it is a form of intercession on their behalf in hopes that God will grant them Grace.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yeah, it really isn't. What's the cliche? Biochemically no different than consuming large amounts of chocolate.

I'm not saying love is bad, but there is definitely unhealthy love, immoral loves. Nothing is pure, where humanity is concerned.

No where in the Bible does it say there is anything wrong with or immoral about love between humans.

Yet openly condemns homosexual acts.

Nor does it really talk about romantic love in any case, except marriage, which is defined as one man one woman. So the leap is not difficult to make.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Every human has the capacity for good. Everyone.

Capacity for Good, doesn't mean they use it.

[Othelos]

No where in the Bible does it say there is anything wrong with or immoral about love between humans.

Yet openly condemns homosexual acts.

It condemns homosexual sex - more specifically, prostitution, lust, and sodomy.

Nowhere does it mention love.

[The Holy Catholic Union]

So if one fails to accept God during a finite amount of time, he/she/they cannot accept God during an infinite amount of time afterwards?

That...doesn't make sense.

That's one thing I didn't get. I've heard and read that Christians should pray for the deceased. But if those deceased died unsaved, what's the point? If you cannot be forgiven after death, or accept Christ, there's not really anything prayer would do.

Some go to purgatory, those have a chance to be saved.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yet openly condemns homosexual acts.

It condemns homosexual sex - more specifically, prostitution, lust, and sodomy.

Nowhere does it mention love.

See edit.

[Spiritual Universalism]

That's one thing I didn't get. I've heard and read that Christians should pray for the deceased. But if those deceased died unsaved, what's the point? If you cannot be forgiven after death, or accept Christ, there's not really anything prayer would do.

From what I've been study since this question was asked (not all of it catholic) Hell is what comes at the Revelation: The pit of Fire and Second death. I've made this argument before, but I didn't realize the correct term is Hades, which is essentially what purgatory and Sheol are. While in Hades, salvation is still obtainable, but not on ones own, only by grace of God, thus the Christians are called to pray for the dead, as it is a form of intercession on their behalf in hopes that God will grant them Grace.

So in that case, if the correct term for Hell is Hades, does that mean that by praying for a soul that might be there eventually could be liberated by God?

Also wasn't Hades an ancient god and not a place? And iIf I remember correctly his domain was Erebus.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That's one thing I didn't get. I've heard and read that Christians should pray for the deceased. But if those deceased died unsaved, what's the point? If you cannot be forgiven after death, or accept Christ, there's not really anything prayer would do.

Some go to purgatory, those have a chance to be saved.

What I can't reconcile is why the Catholic Church would say Christians would go to purgatory as well. Unless God's construction uses Union contracts, then nothing gets built on time.

[Othelos]

It condemns homosexual sex - more specifically, prostitution, lust, and sodomy.

Nowhere does it mention love.

See edit.

Nor does it really talk about romantic love in any case, except marriage, which is defined as one man one woman. So the leap is not difficult to make.

There are many different types of marriage in the Bible.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

From what I've been study since this question was asked (not all of it catholic) Hell is what comes at the Revelation: The pit of Fire and Second death. I've made this argument before, but I didn't realize the correct term is Hades, which is essentially what purgatory and Sheol are. While in Hades, salvation is still obtainable, but not on ones own, only by grace of God, thus the Christians are called to pray for the dead, as it is a form of intercession on their behalf in hopes that God will grant them Grace.

So in that case, if the correct term for Hell is Hades, does that mean that by praying for a soul that might be there eventually could be liberated by God?

Also wasn't Hades an ancient god and not a place? And iIf I remember correctly his domain was Erebus.

In Greek mythology yes. In Christian Doctrine, no.

And no Hades and Hell are separate . Hell is ultimately final destruction where as Hades would be temporary housing, like Sheol or Purgatory. Honestly I'm on open waters at this point.

[Spiritual Universalism]

Every human has the capacity for good. Everyone.

Capacity for Good, doesn't mean they use it.

Unfortunatly that's true, for now. You never know. When I dream sometimes, I dream about a Global Spiritual Revolution.

Ah, here I go again...

[Neo Rome Republic]

Some go to purgatory, those have a chance to be saved.

What I can't reconcile is why the Catholic Church would say Christians would go to purgatory as well. Unless God's construction uses Union contracts, then nothing gets built on time.

Not every Christian is kind to his fellow man. That's my idea of why it happens.
I can't tell you why God does this, it's simply the way God works.
God's ways are mysterious to us.(Well now nobody can say that I can't play God's advocate )

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Capacity for Good, doesn't mean they use it.

Unfortunatly that's true, for now. You never know. When I dream sometimes, I dream about a Global Spiritual Revolution.

Ah, here I go again...

We hold this same wish, only for us it's within Christianity.

[The Grey Wolf]

From what I've been study since this question was asked (not all of it catholic) Hell is what comes at the Revelation: The pit of Fire and Second death. I've made this argument before, but I didn't realize the correct term is Hades, which is essentially what purgatory and Sheol are. While in Hades, salvation is still obtainable, but not on ones own, only by grace of God, thus the Christians are called to pray for the dead, as it is a form of intercession on their behalf in hopes that God will grant them Grace.

So in that case, if the correct term for Hell is Hades, does that mean that by praying for a soul that might be there eventually could be liberated by God?

Also wasn't Hades an ancient god and not a place? And iIf I remember correctly his domain was Erebus.

No, Hades refers to both the Greek god, and to the underworld in Greek mythology. The Christians of the day were obviously referring to the latter when they spoke of Hades.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What I can't reconcile is why the Catholic Church would say Christians would go to purgatory as well. Unless God's construction uses Union contracts, then nothing gets built on time.

Not every Christian is kind to his fellow man. That's my idea of why it happens.
I can't tell you why God does this, it's simply the way God works.
God's ways are mysterious to us.

Great we got a hacker.

[Spiritual Universalism]

So in that case, if the correct term for Hell is Hades, does that mean that by praying for a soul that might be there eventually could be liberated by God?

Also wasn't Hades an ancient god and not a place? And iIf I remember correctly his domain was Erebus.

In Greek mythology yes. In Christian Doctrine, no.

And no Hades and Hell are separate . Hell is ultimately final destruction where as Hades would be temporary housing, like Sheol or Purgatory. Honestly I'm on open waters at this point.

I have noticed many things about Christianity that are borrowed from Greek Mythology.