Christian Discussion Thread III

[Menassa]

Me?

How about Kingdom Identity ministries?
http://www.kingidentity.com

Christian Identity.... if what I think it is is what it is... we have a problem.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Me?

How about Kingdom Identity ministries?
http://www.kingidentity.com

..... That..... is.... hilarious.

[Great Terran Republic]

How about Kingdom Identity ministries?
http://www.kingidentity.com

..... That..... is.... hilarious.

How?

[The Realm of God]

People are pining for spirituality in this century, why do you think there is a huge amount of new religious movements and the New Age movement. It's because the Church doesn't resonate with them anymore, it has got to the point were the church has stagnated for so long and has ceased to become spiritual to many due to unsatisfying dogma and the rise of a judgemental blend of Christianity and Neoconservativism in the once 'cool' charismatic movement. I believe we are experiencing a new time of change in Christianity, the type that seems to happen every five hundred years.

People want to find spirituality in the age of anxiety and the Gospel is still relevant and always will be relevant. However the establishment does not realise that spirituality has moved away from one size fits all do this and that spirituality. Instead people are yearning for a personal experience of God and a stimulation of their intellect in an environment that recognises that everybody has gifts and callings, an environment that teachs a traditional interpretation of scripture that does not clash with modern science instead of fundamentalism in an institution that has a sense of time and history.

After re-reading this, how does this mean churches that try to be culturally relevant fail?

People want God, not a pastor dressed like MC Hammer.
People want theology and teaching, not a come with whatever beliefs you have and worship something experience.
People want Christian culture and a religious life, they don't want something they can slot into their existing life as afterlife insurance.

[The Realm of God]

Me?

How about Kingdom Identity ministries?
http://www.kingidentity.com

Must be satire, it must be.

[Great Terran Republic]

How about Kingdom Identity ministries?
http://www.kingidentity.com

Must be satire, it must be.

I use to follow it before becoming more orthodox protestant after some of the doctrines seemed rather disturbing.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

..... That..... is.... hilarious.

How?

Apparently nobody told him Jesus wasn't white.

[Great Terran Republic]

How?

Apparently nobody told him Jesus wasn't white.

I don’t follow it any more I was just looking for opinions on it.

[Menassa]

How?

Apparently nobody told him Jesus wasn't white.

Nobody told Christianity that Jesus wasn't a viking so.....

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Apparently nobody told him Jesus wasn't white.

Nobody told Christianity that Jesus wasn't a viking so.....

Yeah they did. We just like to draw pictures of vikings.

[Great Terran Republic]

Apparently nobody told him Jesus wasn't white.

Nobody told Christianity that Jesus wasn't a viking so.....

Im now more of a traditional protestant with some very minor Identity interpretations I’m not racist.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

After re-reading this, how does this mean churches that try to be culturally relevant fail?

People want God, not a pastor dressed like MC Hammer.
People want theology and teaching, not a come with whatever beliefs you have and worship something experience.
People want Christian culture and a religious life, they don't want something they can slot into their existing life as afterlife insurance.

So you're talking about Mega Church Evangelicalism, not Modern protestantism.

[Menassa]

Nobody told Christianity that Jesus wasn't a viking so.....

Yeah they did. We just like to draw pictures of vikings.

I think if it was discovered that the real Jesus looked like Danny DeVito... Christianity would have major theological problems.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Eddie Izzard summed it up best when discussing the Crusades.


Christians: "We kill you Muslims in the name of Jesus."
Muslims: "Jesus is a prophet in our religion, we kill YOU in the name of Jesus."
Christians: "Really? Well than we kill you over race, for Jesus was a white man from Oxford, such as we."
Muslims: "No he wasn't. He was from Judea, an Arab such as we."
Christians: "Really? Look, we've come all this way..."

[The Realm of God]

People want God, not a pastor dressed like MC Hammer.
People want theology and teaching, not a come with whatever beliefs you have and worship something experience.
People want Christian culture and a religious life, they don't want something they can slot into their existing life as afterlife insurance.

So you're talking about Mega Church Evangelicalism, not Modern protestantism.

I've been in modern protestant services (Episcopal) and I do enjoy them. My critique isn't to do with sectarianism, its to do with a perception and an experience of a dry and irreverent spirituality that has been advertised to my generation (Those born in the early 90's) under the pretext of cultural relevance.

[Athylon Prime]

I have question. Why does the Judeo-Christian God YHWH deem it necessary to punish people for eternity for even the most simplest of sins. I mean, I can't think of one crime that would warrant eternal punishment in a lake of fire. Not one.

[Czechanada]

Eddie Izzard summed it up best when discussing the Crusades.


Christians: "We kill you Muslims in the name of Jesus."
Muslims: "Jesus is a prophet in our religion, we kill YOU in the name of Jesus."
Christians: "Really? Well than we kill you over race, for Jesus was a white man from Oxford, such as we."
Muslims: "No he wasn't. He was from Judea, an Arab such as we."
Christians: "Really? Look, we've come all this way..."

In all seriousness, I believe that Jesus for the purposes of his appearance is like Commander Shepard. It doesn't matter what he looks like, but rather is supposed to represent a personal ideal.

[The Tovian Way]

I have question. Why does the Judeo-Christian God YHWH deem it necessary to punish people for eternity for even the most simplest of sins. I mean, I can't think of one crime that would warrant eternal punishment in a lake of fire. Not one.

Whole lot of assumptions there.

[The Realm of God]

I have question. Why does the Judeo-Christian God YHWH deem it necessary to punish people for eternity for even the most simplest of sins. I mean, I can't think of one crime that would warrant eternal punishment in a lake of fire. Not one.

Jew's don't have a hell like that and one-third of Christians aren't Augustinians and only an Augustinian can answer that question.

[Stolen Droplets]

Eddie Izzard summed it up best when discussing the Crusades.


Christians: "We kill you Muslims in the name of Jesus."
Muslims: "Jesus is a prophet in our religion, we kill YOU in the name of Jesus."
Christians: "Really? Well than we kill you over race, for Jesus was a white man from Oxford, such as we."
Muslims: "No he wasn't. He was from Judea, an Arab such as we."
Christians: "Really? Look, we've come all this way..."

Why do you people have the Zeal to even fight about religion. I'm Catholic, i know my religion was thrown onto the natives, i know about the crusade...but that was then and this is now...and yes it's that simple. People are different today. Only the real jackasses, who atheists and myself hate, such as the westboro nuts or those jackass tea partiers who want to put their religion into gov are people that should be hated.

I'm a Christian whose pro-choice, who doesnt beleive his marrige to his wife is threatened by a mararige between two men or two women. I have Arab-Muslim friends, i go to school with athesits and jews and other christians. Why the fuck does it matter who believes what? Just because one religion has a bunch of others tainting it...I don't believe the Christian Faith is the best faith. It's not and it never will be, NO RELIGION will ever be the best or the worst. Just the people who have their heads up their ass and being hypocrites (Tea Party/Republican Party).

I don't defend my religion i dont attack it, because I dont have the energy for it. It's people like all of you who do take action that polarizes the entire issue which goes on and on and on...

[Athylon Prime]

I have question. Why does the Judeo-Christian God YHWH deem it necessary to punish people for eternity for even the most simplest of sins. I mean, I can't think of one crime that would warrant eternal punishment in a lake of fire. Not one.

Whole lot of assumptions there.

What assumptions did I make? It explicitly says in the bible that if you don't repent for your sins and accept Jesus' sacrifice you will go to Hell. It's really plain. You can live a good, morally decent life, like Ghandi, and not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, like Ghandi, and go to Hell, like Ghandi did if the bible is true and accurate.

[Angleter]

People want God, not a pastor dressed like MC Hammer.
People want theology and teaching, not a come with whatever beliefs you have and worship something experience.
People want Christian culture and a religious life, they don't want something they can slot into their existing life as afterlife insurance.

So you're talking about Mega Church Evangelicalism, not Modern protestantism.

And significant 'liberal' strands in Catholicism, Anglicanism, and I would expect all denominations. The inside layout of the 1960s Catholic cathedral in Liverpool is very evocative of Mega Church Evangelicalism.

[The Realm of God]

Whole lot of assumptions there.

What assumptions did I make? It explicitly says in the bible that if you don't repent for your sins and accept Jesus' sacrifice you will go to Hell. It's really plain. You can live a good, morally decent life, like Ghandi, and not accept Jesus as your lord and saviour, like Ghandi, and go to Hell, like Ghandi did if the bible is true and accurate.

God is all powerful and thus could save anyone he wanted if he willed it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocatastasis

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Apocatastasis

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So you're talking about Mega Church Evangelicalism, not Modern protestantism.

I've been in modern protestant services (Episcopal) and I do enjoy them. My critique isn't to do with sectarianism, its to do with a perception and an experience of a dry and irreverent spirituality that has been advertised to my generation (Those born in the early 90's).

See I'm in that same generation, and honestly I find that Protestantism afford more spiritualism more than I'll say RCC cause I haven't been to an Orthodox Liturgy yet, I overslept last Sunday. Mass is boring. It puts more focus on Religion, than Spiritualism. There's all these rules and things for how to worship, that the spiritualism gets lost. Even Dystruzio admits he hasn't had a spiritual experience.

From my experience Liturgy puts more emphasis in "doing things the right way", than actually having the relationship. "Traditions of Men and all that."


Micah 6:
6With what shall I come before the Lord
and bow down before the exalted God?
Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,
with calves a year old?
7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams,
with ten thousand rivers of olive oil?
Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly[a] with your God.


Protestants put, or believe they put, the relationship above making sure they do the right gesture with the right relic facing the right direction at the right time.

That's why the liturgy of most Protestant Churches, is more lax.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Eddie Izzard summed it up best when discussing the Crusades.


Christians: "We kill you Muslims in the name of Jesus."
Muslims: "Jesus is a prophet in our religion, we kill YOU in the name of Jesus."
Christians: "Really? Well than we kill you over race, for Jesus was a white man from Oxford, such as we."
Muslims: "No he wasn't. He was from Judea, an Arab such as we."
Christians: "Really? Look, we've come all this way..."

Why do you people have the Zeal to even fight about religion. I'm Catholic, i know my religion was thrown onto the natives, i know about the crusade...but that was then and this is now...and yes it's that simple. People are different today. Only the real jackasses, who atheists and myself hate, such as the westboro nuts or those jackass tea partiers who want to put their religion into gov are people that should be hated.

I'm a Christian whose pro-choice, who doesnt beleive his marrige to his wife is threatened by a mararige between two men or two women. I have Arab-Muslim friends, i go to school with athesits and jews and other christians. Why the fuck does it matter who believes what? Just because one religion has a bunch of others tainting it...I don't believe the Christian Faith is the best faith. It's not and it never will be, NO RELIGION will ever be the best or the worst. Just the people who have their heads up their ass and being hypocrites (Tea Party/Republican Party).

I don't defend my religion i dont attack it, because I dont have the energy for it. It's people like all of you who do take action that polarizes the entire issue which goes on and on and on...

The zeal to fight religion might be, it's growing influence in US politics. Such as:The Christian Right and Creationists. And, the negative aspects of Islam today in the Middle East then, throw in the Roman Catholic sex scandals. And now, you have a boiling pot of negative attitudes toward religion.