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What is your denomination?

Catholic
300
31%
Eastern Orthodox
101
10%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
8
1%
Lutheran
65
7%
Baptist
101
10%
Reformed (Calvinism, Presbyterianism, etc.)
48
5%
Anglican/Episcopalian
61
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
19
2%
Non-Denominational
148
15%
Other Christian
130
13%
 
Total votes : 981

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:36 pm

Menassa wrote:
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He promised he wouldn't curse the ground or kill every living thing, "as long as the Earth Remains." getting into semantics here, the Apocalypse of Revelation is not the destruction of the world, but rather its purification into the New Earth.

Is it written that the Apocalypse of revelation will come about when the world is evil?

Is it not written that after such an Apocalypse the world will live in harmony? Those that survive that is...



It comes about when the Lord chooses.

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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Yes, and I would want others to do Good unto me.

Is there not an objective Good? If I think that humans should have one limb is and I want to saw yours off is that doing Good unto you?


In you're mind it would be good. But I think that's a rather obviously bad scenario. The point I'm trying to make is that the Golden Rule shouldn't taken quite so literally as he's trying to make it.

A lactose-intolerant man undoubtedly would not want to have someone give him milk to drink. Does that mean he should not give it if the situation arises?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:38 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
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You're point is worthless, because you speak for no one but yourself.

I'm the only one who is Anti-Religious, impressive achievement. If I do say so myself.
I speak for those who don't want to listen, if people on the street don't want to hear a preacher speaking bullshit then he should go, because he is doing nothing but being an annoying fuck.



You claim to speak for them, but you don't you. You speak only for yourself. They have not employed you to speak on their behalf.

And your point again is useless. That preacher has the same right to the sidewalk as all those people. It's called free speech. Surely you're not against that, are you?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:39 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Menassa wrote:Is it written that the Apocalypse of revelation will come about when the world is evil?

Is it not written that after such an Apocalypse the world will live in harmony? Those that survive that is...



It comes about when the Lord chooses.

Exactly, humanity, being good or evil has nothing to do with it.

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Yes, and I would want others to do Good unto me.

Is there not an objective Good? If I think that humans should have one limb is and I want to saw yours off is that doing Good unto you?


Tarsonis Survivors wrote:In you're mind it would be good. But I think that's a rather obviously bad scenario.

I don't think it is, it illistrates how something can be good to some, and bad to others.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that the Golden Rule shouldn't taken quite so literally as he's trying to make it.

Lamah Loh?

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:A lactose-intolerant man undoubtedly would not want to have someone give him milk to drink. Does that mean he should not give it if the situation arises?

Depends on how intolerant he is, if it would be death he should seek his protein sources elsewhere...
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:40 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
*shrugs*

I'm 90 percent certain that the above is part of some mainstream Christian denomination.

Which muddled the issue of the Golden Rule vs Evangelism even further. Who's correct?


It's actually all denominations that believe that "Conversion" is on the shoulders of the individual. Evangelism is not the same as "Converting" someone. Converting someone, suggests an overthrow of an individuals mind. This is not the case. Evangelism is simply "Spreading the Good News." It is the individual's right, (given by God) to accept or reject the message. Some more zealous denominations might employ different methods of evangelism, but the conversion is never forced.


Ah. So it isn't on the shoulders of the individual to 'discover' the Good News?

Hm. I was always told otherwise. Though, evangelism must be restricted at times.

Not everybody wants to hear the message.
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Postby Siburria » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:41 pm

ima just kick myself out before my inner athiest/troll wake up :geek:
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:42 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I'm the only one who is Anti-Religious, impressive achievement. If I do say so myself.
I speak for those who don't want to listen, if people on the street don't want to hear a preacher speaking bullshit then he should go, because he is doing nothing but being an annoying fuck.



You claim to speak for them, but you don't you. You speak only for yourself. They have not employed you to speak on their behalf.

And your point again is useless. That preacher has the same right to the sidewalk as all those people. It's called free speech. Surely you're not against that, are you?


Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:44 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

You claim to speak for them, but you don't you. You speak only for yourself. They have not employed you to speak on their behalf.

And your point again is useless. That preacher has the same right to the sidewalk as all those people. It's called free speech. Surely you're not against that, are you?


Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?


Acting as hostile as you are really isn't helping your case.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:44 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
It's actually all denominations that believe that "Conversion" is on the shoulders of the individual. Evangelism is not the same as "Converting" someone. Converting someone, suggests an overthrow of an individuals mind. This is not the case. Evangelism is simply "Spreading the Good News." It is the individual's right, (given by God) to accept or reject the message. Some more zealous denominations might employ different methods of evangelism, but the conversion is never forced.


Ah. So it isn't on the shoulders of the individual to 'discover' the Good News?

Hm. I was always told otherwise. Though, evangelism must be restricted at times.

Not everybody wants to hear the message.



"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:44 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

You claim to speak for them, but you don't you. You speak only for yourself. They have not employed you to speak on their behalf.

And your point again is useless. That preacher has the same right to the sidewalk as all those people. It's called free speech. Surely you're not against that, are you?


Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?


Because most of us are secure enough in our beliefs that we're not afraid by a harmless man with a book and a microphone.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:45 pm

Blasveck wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?


Acting has hostile as you are really isn't helping your case.

Sometimes it's necessary.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:46 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?


Because most of us are secure enough in our beliefs that we're not afraid by a harmless man with a book and a microphone.

Some of us just don't like being irritated. Apparently if someone is a bad singer I'm ''insecure'' if I don't want to listen, by your logic.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:47 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Acting has hostile as you are really isn't helping your case.

Sometimes it's necessary.


The same could be said of evangelism.

Ironically enough, with your attitude in this thread, it's almost as if you're doing the thing that you hate.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:47 pm

Blasveck wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Sometimes it's necessary.


The same could be said of evangelism.

Ironically enough, with your attitude in this thread, it's almost as if you're doing the thing that you hate.

I'm not preaching Atheism, nor am I say anything bad about Christianity.
I'm simply discussing a scenario of someone being annoying to certain people.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:48 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

You claim to speak for them, but you don't you. You speak only for yourself. They have not employed you to speak on their behalf.

And your point again is useless. That preacher has the same right to the sidewalk as all those people. It's called free speech. Surely you're not against that, are you?


Yes, because the first thing Anti-Religious people want to do, is hear the ''good news''. :roll:
No I'm not. Still, if no one wants to listen, why not take that into consideration? Why continue to be an annoying dickwad?

I believe Galatia solves this matter.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:49 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
The same could be said of evangelism.

Ironically enough, with your attitude in this thread, it's almost as if you're doing the thing that you hate.

I'm not preaching Atheism, nor am I say anything bad about Christianity.
I'm simply discussing a scenario of someone being annoying to certain people.


You are preaching anti-evangelism.

Y'now, when you could just not post anything in this thread at all.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:50 pm

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

It comes about when the Lord chooses.

Exactly, humanity, being good or evil has nothing to do with it.


I guess I'm missing the point of you invoking the story of Noah then.

Menassa wrote:
Menassa wrote:Is there not an objective Good? If I think that humans should have one limb is and I want to saw yours off is that doing Good unto you?


Tarsonis Survivors wrote:In you're mind it would be good. But I think that's a rather obviously bad scenario.

I don't think it is, it illistrates how something can be good to some, and bad to others.


Except that's overly objectively bad. Simply telling the world about God, isn't the same as cutting off arms en mass.

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that the Golden Rule shouldn't taken quite so literally as he's trying to make it.

Lamah Loh?


Que?

Menassa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:A lactose-intolerant man undoubtedly would not want to have someone give him milk to drink. Does that mean he should not give it if the situation arises?

Depends on how intolerant he is, if it would be death he should seek his protein sources elsewhere...

Sorry, I guess that read differently than I meant it.

You're saying that because a man is Lactose Intolerant, he shouldn't give people milk?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Blasveck wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I'm not preaching Atheism, nor am I say anything bad about Christianity.
I'm simply discussing a scenario of someone being annoying to certain people.


You are preaching anti-evangelism.

Y'now, when you could just not post anything in this thread at all.

Which can apply to things outside of Christianity.
You're right I'm wasting my time. Some people just seem to think annoying others counts as ''good behavior''.
Ill stop.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:52 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Because most of us are secure enough in our beliefs that we're not afraid by a harmless man with a book and a microphone.

Some of us just don't like being irritated. Apparently if someone is a bad singer I'm ''insecure'' if I don't want to listen, by your logic.



Then why are you here?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:53 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Some of us just don't like being irritated. Apparently if someone is a bad singer I'm ''insecure'' if I don't want to listen, by your logic.



Then why are you here?

To understand why annoying others is considered a good thing.
If what I say offends you, twas misunderstanding on you or my indifference.
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''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:55 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Then why are you here?

To understand why annoying others is considered a good thing.



With all due respect, You do it in this thread on the Daily. So ask yourself, why do you come here? Do that, and you'll have your answer.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:To understand why annoying others is considered a good thing.



With all due respect, You do it in this thread on the Daily. So ask yourself, why do you come here? Do that, and you'll have your answer.

I don't see how? I haven't said a bad thing about a Christianity in a while.
Why am I here? You guys talk about things involving Social or political issues, etc., that peak my interest.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:02 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

With all due respect, You do it in this thread on the Daily. So ask yourself, why do you come here? Do that, and you'll have your answer.

I don't see how? I haven't said a bad thing about a Religious belief, in a while.
Why am I here? You guys talk about things involving Social or political issues, etc., that peak my interest.


Really, you don't see how walking into the middle of the Christian Circle Jerk, decrying religion, isn't annoying? Actively claiming that God is a logical fallacy to a room full of people who passionately believe in God, isn't annoying in the slightest, but the opposite is? Come on man you're smarter than that.

There's plenty of threads on NS that pique your interest, I'm sure. Why this one in particular?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I don't see how? I haven't said a bad thing about a Religious belief, in a while.
Why am I here? You guys talk about things involving Social or political issues, etc., that peak my interest.


Really, you don't see how walking into the middle of the Christian Circle Jerk, decrying religion, isn't annoying? Actively claiming that God is a logical fallacy to a room full of people who passionately believe in God, isn't annoying in the slightest, but the opposite is? Come on man you're smarter than that.

There's plenty of threads on NS that pique your interest, I'm sure. Why this one in particular?

I wasn't decrying Religion or God, I was simply talking about a situation in which a person is irritating others. Which isn't decrying the Religion involved, just that said person is themselves being a dickwad.
I may have done it in the past, but recently(for almost a month from Dec.20th till now) I have not decried Religion or God.
Because the other Religious discussions aren't as politically or social issues oriented. If they were, I would hang out over there more.
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Menassa wrote:Exactly, humanity, being good or evil has nothing to do with it.


I guess I'm missing the point of you invoking the story of Noah then.

It was a response to the claim of pro evangelisim because it would be a shame for God to see a world of evil.

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Menassa wrote:

I don't think it is, it illistrates how something can be good to some, and bad to others.


Except that's overly objectively bad. Simply telling the world about God, isn't the same as cutting off arms en mass.

If I would not want to evangelize to someone because I see it as bad I would not want them to do it to me.

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Menassa wrote:Lamah Loh?


Que?

Why not?

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Menassa wrote:Depends on how intolerant he is, if it would be death he should seek his protein sources elsewhere...

Sorry, I guess that read differently than I meant it.

You're saying that because a man is Lactose Intolerant, he shouldn't give people milk?

Not to people who are lactose intolerant... then no.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:12 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Really, you don't see how walking into the middle of the Christian Circle Jerk, decrying religion, isn't annoying? Actively claiming that God is a logical fallacy to a room full of people who passionately believe in God, isn't annoying in the slightest, but the opposite is? Come on man you're smarter than that.

There's plenty of threads on NS that pique your interest, I'm sure. Why this one in particular?

I wasn't decrying Religion or God, I was simply talking about a situation in which a person is irritating others. Which isn't decrying the Religion involved, just that said person is themselves being a dickwad.
I may have done in it in the past, but recently(for almost a month from Dec.20th till now) I have not decried Religion or God.
Because the other Religious discussions aren't as politically or socially oriented. If they were, I would hang out over there more.



Just because you haven't done it this particular time doesn't mean you haven't. And when you have, what happens. Those who don't want to engage you simply leave, and those of us who don't mind engaging you stick around. But you still clearly annoy the shit out of us sometimes. Does that mean you shouldn't come here? No, because you hold to you convictions and believe they need a voice, to make others see reason the same way you do.

If a man wants to stand on a side walk and espouse his beliefs via microphone, he is entitled to. No one is required to pay attention to him. But just like you, he's willing to annoy a few people, in the hopes that those who will take to his message, will hear it.
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