Christian Discussion Thread III

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Marian is the word for something that is of or relating to the Virgin Mary. A devotion to her.

1.Hail Mary:
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.


2.The Fatima Prayer:
O my Jesus,
forgive us our sins,
save us from the fires of hell,
lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those most in need of Thy mercy.
Amen.

1.Where does it say in the Bible Mary is holy?
2. And I guess I could agree with this Catholic thing.

Dude she's the Mother of Christ, how would she not be?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

They're available online I did not know this.

They are, however, it is costly to do and I would not recommend it. I recommend waiting, there are few instances I recommend rushing RCIA to allow for conversion.

What's wrong with them?

[Blasveck]

Don't worry this is the last pope. St Malachi said.

I'd be cool with that Pope Francis is awesome. Really the last 4 Popes have been interesting.

Eh, lately, he's been up to some rathe distasteful shenanigans.

Granted, he's better than any other Pope they could've picked within reasonable limits. But there's still some disappointing aspects.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'd be cool with that Pope Francis is awesome. Really the last 4 Popes have been interesting.

Eh, lately, he's been up to some rathe distasteful shenanigans.

Granted, he's better than any other Pope they could've picked within reasonable limits. But there's still some disappointing aspects.

The Catholic Church will never endorse abortion. Get over it.

[Menassa]

I'd be cool with that Pope Francis is awesome. Really the last 4 Popes have been interesting.

Eh, lately, he's been up to some rathe distasteful shenanigans.

Granted, he's better than any other Pope they could've picked within reasonable limits. But there's still some disappointing aspects.

What'd he do?

I bet it was kill a fly... the monster.

[Athartha]

Marian is the word for something that is of or relating to the Virgin Mary. A devotion to her.

1.Hail Mary:
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.


2.The Fatima Prayer:
O my Jesus,
forgive us our sins,
save us from the fires of hell,
lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those most in need of Thy mercy.
Amen.

1.Where does it say in the Bible Mary is holy?
2. And I guess I could agree with this Catholic thing.

First, it is important to establish that we Catholics differ from other Christians in that we are not subscribe to sola sciptura, "by Scripture alone." We also believe in Church Tradition. The belief that Mary lived without sin from the moment of her conception springs from Church tradition. It is not found explicitly in Scripture, but is derived from the testimony of Scripture that Mary was “full of grace” (Luke 1:28) and “blessed” (Luke 1:42). As such, because of the life she lived, we derive and declared Mary to be a saint because she lived such an exemplary and holy life that we can believe with confidence that they are “with God in heaven.”

[Athartha]

They are, however, it is costly to do and I would not recommend it. I recommend waiting, there are few instances I recommend rushing RCIA to allow for conversion.

What's wrong with them?

I don't recommend them because they do not cover topics as in depth as they should (though they do provide the knowledge needed). And the price, they're expensive, and I simply cannot endorse that.

[Nuverikstan]

1.Where does it say in the Bible Mary is holy?
2. And I guess I could agree with this Catholic thing.

Dude she's the Mother of Christ, how would she not be?

Because God never said she was. Also I would like to hear a priests reason.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Dude she's the Mother of Christ, how would she not be?

Because God never said she was. Also I would like to hear a priests reason.

As you will.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What's wrong with them?

I don't recommend them because they do not cover topics as in depth as they should (though they do provide the knowledge needed). And the price, they're expensive, and I simply cannot endorse that.

I just would prefer not to wait till next Easter to join the Church. I don't feel right, being outside the Church for so long. Truth be told it frightens me.

[Nuverikstan]

1.Where does it say in the Bible Mary is holy?
2. And I guess I could agree with this Catholic thing.

First, it is important to establish that we Catholics differ from other Christians in that we are not subscribe to sola sciptura, "by Scripture alone." We also believe in Church Tradition. The belief that Mary lived without sin from the moment of her conception springs from Church tradition. It is not found explicitly in Scripture, but is derived from the testimony of Scripture that Mary was “full of grace” (Luke 1:28) and “blessed” (Luke 1:42). As such, because of the life she lived, we derive and declared Mary to be a saint because she lived such an exemplary and holy life that we can believe with confidence that they are “with God in heaven.”

Wasn't David a man after God's own heart? And didn't he end up doing a lot of bad stuff? So saying Mary was "full of grace" and "blessed" doesn't mean anything. She still could have sinned. As God said no human has never sinned everyone has fallen short of the glory of God and I don't remember Mary being an exception.

[Blasveck]

Eh, lately, he's been up to some rathe distasteful shenanigans.

Granted, he's better than any other Pope they could've picked within reasonable limits. But there's still some disappointing aspects.

The Catholic Church will never endorse abortion. Get over it.

I'm not speaking about abortion.

I'm speaking about this: http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/micha ... -speak-out

Now, regardless of your feelings on the matter, this doesn't exactly bode well for the mam who is perceived as having a more 'relaxed' (?) tone towards LGBT issues.

No, I'm not wanting to start a debate over gay adoption. That's not the poit I'm making. I'm saying that this doesn't reflect well on the Pope after all the image building he's previously been doing.

[Athartha]

I don't recommend them because they do not cover topics as in depth as they should (though they do provide the knowledge needed). And the price, they're expensive, and I simply cannot endorse that.

I just would prefer not to wait till next Easter to join the Church. I don't feel right, being outside the Church for so long. Truth be told it frightens me.

Unfortunately, unless you finished them prior to this Easter, you would likely still have to wait until Easter for your baptism and confirmation. Why does it frighten you, if I may ask?

[Athartha]

First, it is important to establish that we Catholics differ from other Christians in that we are not subscribe to sola sciptura, "by Scripture alone." We also believe in Church Tradition. The belief that Mary lived without sin from the moment of her conception springs from Church tradition. It is not found explicitly in Scripture, but is derived from the testimony of Scripture that Mary was “full of grace” (Luke 1:28) and “blessed” (Luke 1:42). As such, because of the life she lived, we derive and declared Mary to be a saint because she lived such an exemplary and holy life that we can believe with confidence that they are “with God in heaven.”

Wasn't David a man after God's own heart? And didn't he end up doing a lot of bad stuff? So saying Mary was "full of grace" and "blessed" doesn't mean anything. She still could have sinned. As God said no human has never sinned everyone has fallen short of the glory of God and I don't remember Mary being an exception.

Yes, but I am not quite sure what your point is on this? Or how it affects what the Scripture itself says about Mary. The lines "full of grace" and "blessed" both come directly from the Gospel of Luke. It is Church Tradition that Mary lived a life free of sin, as Christ came from her womb, how could God enter the world through a sinful person.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The Catholic Church will never endorse abortion. Get over it.

I'm not speaking about abortion.

I'm speaking about this: http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/micha ... -speak-out

Now, regardless of your feelings on the matter, this doesn't exactly bode well for the mam who is perceived as having a more 'relaxed' (?) tone towards LGBT issues.

No, I'm not wanting to start a debate over gay adoption. That's not the poit I'm making. I'm saying that this doesn't reflect well on the Pope after all the image building he's previously been doing.

I'd say you misinterpreted the Popes leniency. He's more relaxed towards LGBT People. Not the Issues.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I just would prefer not to wait till next Easter to join the Church. I don't feel right, being outside the Church for so long. Truth be told it frightens me.

Unfortunately, unless you finished them prior to this Easter, you would likely still have to wait until Easter for your baptism and confirmation. Why does it frighten you, if I may ask?

I'm not ashamed to admit that I fear death, but more so I fear dying while separated.

[Blasveck]

I'm not speaking about abortion.

I'm speaking about this: http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/micha ... -speak-out

Now, regardless of your feelings on the matter, this doesn't exactly bode well for the mam who is perceived as having a more 'relaxed' (?) tone towards LGBT issues.

No, I'm not wanting to start a debate over gay adoption. That's not the poit I'm making. I'm saying that this doesn't reflect well on the Pope after all the image building he's previously been doing.

I'd say you misinterpreted the Popes leniency. He's more relaxed towards LGBT People. Not the Issues.

Well then a helluva lot of other people did.

Which isn't a good thing for the Church. Because its going to become an issue that the Church has to confront eventually, whether it approves of it or not.

Whether its in a decade or a century, it's going to happen.

[Athartha]

Unfortunately, unless you finished them prior to this Easter, you would likely still have to wait until Easter for your baptism and confirmation. Why does it frighten you, if I may ask?

I'm not ashamed to admit that I fear death, but more so I fear dying while separated.

It is not something I would say one should be ashamed of. However, unless you are in immediate danger of dying, I would say it is not something to fear. You may be able to begin attending confession now (allowing for you to die in a state of reconciliation outside of the Church), if you were not aware of this.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'd say you misinterpreted the Popes leniency. He's more relaxed towards LGBT People. Not the Issues.

Well then a helluva lot of other people did.

Which isn't a good thing for the Church. Because its going to become an issue that the Church has to confront eventually, whether it approves of it or not.

Whether its in a decade or a century, it's going to happen.

They have confronted it, they've said their against it. But as the Catholic Church doesn't control states any more, that's about all they can do.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'm not ashamed to admit that I fear death, but more so I fear dying while separated.

It is not something I would say one should be ashamed of. However, unless you are in immediate danger of dying, I would say it is not something to fear. You may be able to begin attending confession now (allowing for you to die in a state of reconciliation outside of the Church), if you were not aware of this.

I wasn't, but that's good to know. And I wouldn't say I'm in immediate threat of death, just as a Veteran, you could say I'm all to aware of how fragile life can be.

[Nuverikstan]

Wasn't David a man after God's own heart? And didn't he end up doing a lot of bad stuff? So saying Mary was "full of grace" and "blessed" doesn't mean anything. She still could have sinned. As God said no human has never sinned everyone has fallen short of the glory of God and I don't remember Mary being an exception.

Yes, but I am not quite sure what your point is on this? Or how it affects what the Scripture itself says about Mary. The lines "full of grace" and "blessed" both come directly from the Gospel of Luke. It is Church Tradition that Mary lived a life free of sin, as Christ came from her womb, how could God enter the world through a sinful person.

Well God never made an exception on the sin thing so he would have to had entered the world through a sinful person. And my argument is Mary was never holy.

[Nuverikstan]

I'm not ashamed to admit that I fear death, but more so I fear dying while separated.

It is not something I would say one should be ashamed of. However, unless you are in immediate danger of dying, I would say it is not something to fear. You may be able to begin attending confession now (allowing for you to die in a state of reconciliation outside of the Church), if you were not aware of this.

Why can a person not just ask God for forgiveness and not go through a priest? Isn't that why Jesus died?

[Blasveck]

Well then a helluva lot of other people did.

Which isn't a good thing for the Church. Because its going to become an issue that the Church has to confront eventually, whether it approves of it or not.

Whether its in a decade or a century, it's going to happen.

They have confronted it, they've said their against it. But as the Catholic Church doesn't control states any more, that's about all they can do.

Well, yes, but the RCC still holds a great deal of influence over quite a few people. And if they want to continue, well, 'operating' at the level they do and the scale that they do in spreading the Lord's word, they might have to reconsider saying "No" to the matter.

At least, if demographics and polling are anything to go off of, the RCC's current position on the matter will become the minority position within the decade.

That's not good for the continued survivability of the Church.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

They have confronted it, they've said their against it. But as the Catholic Church doesn't control states any more, that's about all they can do.

Well, yes, but the RCC still holds a great deal of influence over quite a few people. And if they want to continue, well, 'operating' at the level they do and the scale that they do in spreading the Lord's word, they might have to reconsider saying "No" to the matter.

At least, if demographics and polling are anything to go off of, the RCC's current position on the matter will become the minority position within the decade.

That's not good for the continued survivability of the Church.

LGBT Demographics are roughly 5%. I think they'll be fine.

[Blasveck]

Well, yes, but the RCC still holds a great deal of influence over quite a few people. And if they want to continue, well, 'operating' at the level they do and the scale that they do in spreading the Lord's word, they might have to reconsider saying "No" to the matter.

At least, if demographics and polling are anything to go off of, the RCC's current position on the matter will become the minority position within the decade.

That's not good for the continued survivability of the Church.

LGBT Demographics are roughly 5%. I think they'll be fine.

Gaining new converts isn't easy if they disapprove of your doctrines. And they don't have to strictly be LGBT people either.