Christian Discussion Thread III

[Athylon Prime]

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

Not many are, and it's rather unfortunate.

I think I'm going to start reading up on it. I'm always looking for new things to study.

[Conscentia]

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

It's funny how often those most familiar with the Bible are non-Christians.

I don't think it's weird at all.

The Book of Deuteronomy essentially (not literally) contains a warning against following Jesus. But this is irrelevant.

[Menassa]

Not many are, and it's rather unfortunate.

I think I'm going to start reading up on it. I'm always looking for new things to study.

Well if you do have any questions, I'm always available... as well as we have our own discussion thread.

[Athylon Prime]

Oh, I see that now. Well, I'm not really familiar with Judaism.

It's funny how often those most familiar with the Bible are non-Christians.

I do find that funny. I've read the bible a few times, but I just recently started to study it in depth. It is very fascinating. I'm even taking ministerial classes. I do so enjoy being an autodidact.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's funny how often those most familiar with the Bible are non-Christians.

I don't think it's weird at all.

True. In my experience, knowledge of the Bible is directly proportional to one's irreligiousness.

The Book of Deuteronomy essentially (not literally) contains a warning against following Jesus. But this is irrelevant.

Can I have a chapter?

[Athylon Prime]

I think I'm going to start reading up on it. I'm always looking for new things to study.

Well if you do have any questions, I'm always available... as well as we have our own discussion thread.

I will remember that.

[Menassa]

The Book of Deuteronomy essentially (not literally) contains a warning against following Jesus. But this is irrelevant.

Can I have a chapter?

13, but it more warns about using miracles as proof of divinity and prophet hood.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Can I have a chapter?

13, but it more warns about using miracles as proof of divinity and prophet hood.

*Adds to collection*

[Menassa]

Well if you do have any questions, I'm always available... as well as we have our own discussion thread.

I will remember that.

Very good.

[Grave_n_idle]

Right, your idea is called Augustinianism and its major flaw is it suggests that God acts like a computer, in absolute values with no.subjectivity. You must remember that God is sovereign, loving and just. He can choose to save anyone he chooses. Jesus is the only way to gain assurance but God is still in charge.

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

Absolute values that cannot ever be changed. Bound by his will. He can't deviate without violating his principles.

Except when he makes exceptions.

See the problem with that?

Also - unchanging god? Is this the same God Christians believe replaced his covenant with the Jews, with a New covenant?

[Dyakovo]

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

Absolute values that cannot ever be changed. Bound by his will. He can't deviate without violating his principles.

Except when he makes exceptions.

See the problem with that?

Also - unchanging god? Is this the same God Christians believe replaced his covenant with the Jews, with a New covenant?

He's unchanging.
Except when he chooses to change.
At which point, he is still unchanging because he says he is.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

That is the most truthful statement I've seen in this discussion.

[Menassa]

That's an over simplification. 1. Absolute values are essentially divine in nature. God is bound by his will, which clearly outlines what is right and wrong. 2. It's not saying God Can't save people, it's that he's already put in place the system, and if he deviated from that system he would be contradicting himself. Which would violate the principle of an unchanging God. We've already seen that God makes exceptions for ignorance, Nineveh for instance, he even gives second chances, Jonah. But Christ, who is God and the Word of God, said that he is the way and the life, no one comes to the Father except through him. Through Christ alone is the world saved by God's own Decree.

Absolute values that cannot ever be changed. Bound by his will. He can't deviate without violating his principles.

Except when he makes exceptions.

See the problem with that?

Also - unchanging god? Is this the same God Christians believe replaced his covenant with the Jews, with a New covenant?

Hebrews 8 (specifically 13)

Although Deuteronomy 30 and Isaiah 40 would disagree but you know, whatever.

[Dangelia]

Before I studied Christianity, a process that led to my conversion. I knew nothing of it, school RE lessons showed pictures of baptism and confirmation and explained it through the lense of rites of passage. My parents were irreligious and my friends rarely ever went to church, I was devoid of spirituality. Holidays to rural France and a town in Turkey gave me my first experience observing people living religious lives and this intrigued me. At my current age now I can see that spirituality hasn't gone, people just aren't informed about religions and therefore discount what they have to say, the modern outreach is about aesthetics.rather than spiritual fulfilment. I joked that they 'Replaced mysticism, worship and experience with some guy in an Allie G tracksuit rapping about Jesus, ." When the only thing the audience has been taught about him is that he has something to do with Christianity.

I must say, a lot of people nowadays don't understand true Christianity. Which is probably why they'r also atheist.

[Athylon Prime]

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

That is the most truthful statement I've heard in this discussion.

I have a LOT of experience with Protestantism. I was raised in a Pentecostal church(Assemblies of God), then went to Southern Baptist, then to nonreligious meth heads, then back to AoG. Hence the anti religious mind set.

[Grave_n_idle]

Absolute values that cannot ever be changed. Bound by his will. He can't deviate without violating his principles.

Except when he makes exceptions.

See the problem with that?

Also - unchanging god? Is this the same God Christians believe replaced his covenant with the Jews, with a New covenant?

Hebrews 8 (specifically 13)

Although Deuteronomy 30 and Isaiah 40 would disagree but you know, whatever.

Matthew 5:18.

*nods*

[Dyakovo]

Before I studied Christianity, a process that led to my conversion. I knew nothing of it, school RE lessons showed pictures of baptism and confirmation and explained it through the lense of rites of passage. My parents were irreligious and my friends rarely ever went to church, I was devoid of spirituality. Holidays to rural France and a town in Turkey gave me my first experience observing people living religious lives and this intrigued me. At my current age now I can see that spirituality hasn't gone, people just aren't informed about religions and therefore discount what they have to say, the modern outreach is about aesthetics.rather than spiritual fulfilment. I joked that they 'Replaced mysticism, worship and experience with some guy in an Allie G tracksuit rapping about Jesus, ." When the only thing the audience has been taught about him is that he has something to do with Christianity.

I must say, a lot of people nowadays don't understand true Christianity. Which is probably why they'r also atheist.

So what, according to you, is "True Christianity"?

[Menassa]

Hebrews 8 (specifically 13)

Although Deuteronomy 30 and Isaiah 40 would disagree but you know, whatever.

Matthew 5:18.

*nods*

I'd like to believe that this was Jesus talking to his church... the Jews... however when Paul talks to his Church... the Greeks he must make sure to abolish The Law (and circumcision) what he's doing preaching to the Greeks is a whole different story.

[Neo Rome Republic]

That is the most truthful statement I've heard in this discussion.

I have a LOT of experience with Protestantism. I was raised in a Pentecostal church(Assemblies of God), then went to Southern Baptist, then to nonreligious meth heads, then back to AoG. Hence the anti religious mind set.

Non-Religious meth heads?

[Grave_n_idle]

Probably because of verses like Mark 16:16.

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

I think that's at least as true of non-Protestants. In my experience, it's pretty applicable to just about every denomination, in just about every religion.

If a religion has a text, it's pretty safe to say that someone, somewhere, is cherry-picking it for what they want.

[Menassa]

If Protestant Christianity is known for anything, it's known for nit picking verses they like and utterly ignoring other verses. Hence all the denominations.

I think that's at least as true of non-Protestants. In my experience, it's pretty applicable to just about every denomination, in just about every religion.

If a religion has a text, it's pretty safe to say that someone, somewhere, is cherry-picking it for what they want.

The Atheism and anti-religion I have encountered (and others have encountered) are usually based off of qualms with Christianity....

[Athylon Prime]

I have a LOT of experience with Protestantism. I was raised in a Pentecostal church(Assemblies of God), then went to Southern Baptist, then to nonreligious meth heads, then back to AoG. Hence the anti religious mind set.

Non-Religious meth heads?

Mom and then boyfriend started selling and doing meth. Went on for a while. Didn't know what else to call that point in my life. I was just along for the ride, but still.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I think that's at least as true of non-Protestants. In my experience, it's pretty applicable to just about every denomination, in just about every religion.

If a religion has a text, it's pretty safe to say that someone, somewhere, is cherry-picking it for what they want.

The Atheism and anti-religion I have encountered (and others have encountered) are usually based off of qualms with Christianity....

What about Islam?

[Dangelia]

That is the most truthful statement I've heard in this discussion.

I have a LOT of experience with Protestantism. I was raised in a Pentecostal church(Assemblies of God), then went to Southern Baptist, then to nonreligious meth heads, then back to AoG. Hence the anti religious mind set.

Have you ever tried looking at an Orthodox Church instead of Protestant churches.

[Grave_n_idle]

Matthew 5:18.

*nods*

I'd like to believe that this was Jesus talking to his church... the Jews... however when Paul talks to his Church... the Greeks he must make sure to abolish The Law (and circumcision) what he's doing preaching to the Greeks is a whole different story.

Oh, absolutely - the ministry of the Living Jesus is explicitly limited to Jews, and Jesus absolutely warns against trying to share it with anyone else.

Paul's church is a totally different deal. He was trying to repackage it for international consumption, so he obviously has to change it.