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by Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:06 pm
by Conscentia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:12 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:I like Cigars, and 12 year old Jameson whiskey. If that's a sin, what pleasure is there in life?
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by Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:17 pm
by Pope Joan » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:24 pm
by Constantinopolis » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:02 pm
Pope Joan wrote:"One, holy, apostolic and catholic (universal)" was never in the bible.
Pope Joan wrote:I doubt that Christ intended his message to be mangled by bureaucratic institutions and hierarchies.
Pope Joan wrote:The larger our social institutions become, the more sinful they become.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:05 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Pope Joan wrote:"One, holy, apostolic and catholic (universal)" was never in the bible.
The Church wrote the Bible (well, the New Testament, anyway).Pope Joan wrote:I doubt that Christ intended his message to be mangled by bureaucratic institutions and hierarchies.
You know, I actually like bureaucratic institutions. Human civilization was built on bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is an attempt to bring order out of chaos, to devise a set of standards and ensure they are applied consistently and uniformly across the board.Pope Joan wrote:The larger our social institutions become, the more sinful they become.
I don't think this is true. I think the larger our social institutions become, the easier it is to blame them for stuff.
If 100 Catholic priests all commit the same sin at the same time, it's big news, because there is one big institution (the Catholic Church) that can take the blame.
If 10,000 random unrelated people all commit the same sin at the same time, that's ten thousand separate minor incidents, with no single entity to blame, so it's reported only as a bland statistic, if it gets reported at all. People shrug their shoulders and don't care much about it, because there is no one in particular to blame.
Big organizations only seem sinful because there is someone to blame (the organization) for all the sins and transgressions of its members. People outside of big organizations sin just as much, but since there is no single entity to blame for their collective sins, we don't pay attention to them.
by Constantinopolis » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:13 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:You'd make a great capitalist.
by Puerto Tyranus » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:09 pm
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:11 pm
by Constantinopolis » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:40 pm
Puerto Tyranus wrote:Hey, I just want to confirm something. It was Thomas who preached in India, right?
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Except beaurocracy is a hallmark of capitalism than socialism.
by Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:20 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Puerto Tyranus wrote:Hey, I just want to confirm something. It was Thomas who preached in India, right?
Yes, that's correct. St. Thomas preached in Persia and further east, and according to Tradition he reached India. The members of the ancient Christian community in India call themselves "St. Thomas Christians".Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Except beaurocracy is a hallmark of capitalism than socialism.
It can exist in both. It is a hallmark of certain types of capitalism, and also certain types of socialism.
I'm not saying I like bureaucracy for its own sake, mind you, I'm just saying it has a lot of positive aspects that go largely unrecognized by most people.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:19 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
So you think opposition to smoking is... bad?
And that this terrible opposition to smoking is somehow a uniquely Christian trait?
And that the entirety of Christianity has consistently shared the same universal motivation for this terribly misguided opposition?
Yup.
by Islamic republiq of Julundar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:56 am
by Murkwood » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:00 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Conscentia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:37 am
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by Conscentia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:39 am
Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Puerto Tyranus wrote:Indeed. Hey, I just want to confirm something. It was Thomas who preached in India, right?
Mar Thomas Church of India has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Apostle Thomas started it is more than 500 years old. Church of England has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Joseph of Arimathaea started it is more than 500 years old.
The thing exists. It's foundation legend is very old. That is ALL we know.
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by Angleter » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:18 am
The Flood wrote:There are very sound logical reasons for the Church to be against smoking: mainly that it's freaking terrible for you and has no benefits.Socialist Czechia wrote:I sent you enough literature about it.
It's all about history how Church didn't agree with smoking mostly because it gave people pleasure without Church's direct control, so they were very long time hostile towards tobacco.
Only money coming from colonies full of tobacco ordered them to stop yell about 'tobacco sin' and accept it.
by Al-Orthodoxia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:03 pm
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:I like Cigars, and 12 year old Jameson whiskey. If that's a sin, what pleasure is there in life?
by Islamic republiq of Julundar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:27 pm
Conscentia wrote:Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Mar Thomas Church of India has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Apostle Thomas started it is more than 500 years old. Church of England has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Joseph of Arimathaea started it is more than 500 years old.
The thing exists. It's foundation legend is very old. That is ALL we know.
That's not possible. The Church of England didn't even exist 1500 years ago. It certainly could not have been in India.
As for the legend that Thomas brought Christianity to India, it's much more than 500 years old. The Acts of Thomas, an apocryphal gnostic book which is thought to date from the 3rd century, detail's Thomas' actions in India. According to Wikipedia, other sources mentioning Thomas travelling to India exist, also dating from the 3rd and 4th centuries.
It certainly could not have been in India.
by Angleter » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:52 pm
Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Conscentia wrote:That's not possible. The Church of England didn't even exist 1500 years ago. It certainly could not have been in India.
As for the legend that Thomas brought Christianity to India, it's much more than 500 years old. The Acts of Thomas, an apocryphal gnostic book which is thought to date from the 3rd century, detail's Thomas' actions in India. According to Wikipedia, other sources mentioning Thomas travelling to India exist, also dating from the 3rd and 4th centuries.
OK, way back in 500 AD there was the Church of Wales, Church of Ireland, Church of Scotland, Church of Northumbria, Church of Mercia, Church of Wessex etc.
by Albicia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:40 pm
Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Puerto Tyranus wrote:Indeed. Hey, I just want to confirm something. It was Thomas who preached in India, right?
Mar Thomas Church of India has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Apostle Thomas started it is more than 500 years old. Church of England has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Joseph of Arimathaea started it is more than 500 years old.
The thing exists. It's foundation legend is very old. That is ALL we know.
by Bunkeranlage » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:40 am
Albicia wrote:Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Mar Thomas Church of India has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Apostle Thomas started it is more than 500 years old. Church of England has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Joseph of Arimathaea started it is more than 500 years old.
The thing exists. It's foundation legend is very old. That is ALL we know.
But... I thought Jesus founded the Church of England... haven't you guys heard the song?
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by Czechanada » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:56 am
by Tarsonis Survivors » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:31 am
Albicia wrote:Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:Mar Thomas Church of India has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Apostle Thomas started it is more than 500 years old. Church of England has been there for 1500 years. LEGEND that Joseph of Arimathaea started it is more than 500 years old.
The thing exists. It's foundation legend is very old. That is ALL we know.
But... I thought Jesus founded the Church of England... haven't you guys heard the song?
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