Christian Discussion Thread III

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Christian discussion thread?

It will be hard to not say anything sarcastic but people should push their limits...

So, which beer christians prefer?

I drink Stella more than anything else. Harp is better, but harder to find in the States.

[Angleter]

Christian discussion thread?

It will be hard to not say anything sarcastic but people should push their limits...

So, which beer christians prefer?

I prefer cider. Of the main brands, I prefer Thatchers, but there are so many excellent small cider-makers.

[Socialist Czechia]

No Guinness beer lover around?

[Distruzio]

No Guinness beer lover around?

No. I like to drink when I eat. Not eat when I eat. Guinness is too thick for my tastes.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No Guinness beer lover around?

No. I like to drink when I eat. Not eat when I eat. Guinness is too thick for my tastes.

This, this exactly.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Christian discussion thread?

It will be hard to not say anything sarcastic but people should push their limits...

So, which beer christians prefer?

I'm more of a wine person.

Seconded

[Holy Soviet Empire]

orthdox iconoclast!

[Neoconstantius]

orthdox iconoclast!

That's not really "Orthodox" then.

[Benuty]

orthdox iconoclast!

That's not really "Orthodox" then.

It was for quite a long time however an acceptable sect [embraced by several patriarchs, the ecumanical, and the Emperor of the Byzantines] .

[Untaroicht]

Orthodox brothers and sisters, is it odd and/or sinful for me to think there are some unfortunate similarities between some of our vocal, more solemn hymns and some Islamic Anasheeds?

Apparently both of our faiths frown upon the use of instruments in worship (except maybe our brothers in the Ethiopian Orthodox church), and some arabic orthodox chants and Nasheeds sound somewhat similar (though this may just be about the language itself)

[Pope Joan]

Orthodox brothers and sisters, is it odd and/or sinful for me to think there are some unfortunate similarities between some of our vocal, more solemn hymns and some Islamic Anasheeds?

Apparently both of our faiths frown upon the use of instruments in worship (except maybe our brothers in the Ethiopian Orthodox church), and some arabic orthodox chants and Nasheeds sound somewhat similar (though this may just be about the language itself)

But then, could this also be a factor in the persistent strength of Orthodox Christianity in the Mideast? A cultural resonance?

[Distruzio]

Orthodox brothers and sisters, is it odd and/or sinful for me to think there are some unfortunate similarities between some of our vocal, more solemn hymns and some Islamic Anasheeds?

Apparently both of our faiths frown upon the use of instruments in worship (except maybe our brothers in the Ethiopian Orthodox church), and some arabic orthodox chants and Nasheeds sound somewhat similar (though this may just be about the language itself)

Absolutely not. Both are wonderfully reverent expression of adoration for the divine. There's no reason to deny the similarities (based on the cultural influence in the surrounding areas) at all.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I doubt the good Father really cares about what key you worship in him. After all,the music used in service aren't handed down from God, they're derivatives of the styles of music prominent at the time. Which is why I keep trying to tell people that Praise worship is equally as "authentic" as anything else.

[The Archregimancy]

Orthodox brothers and sisters, is it odd and/or sinful for me to think there are some unfortunate similarities between some of our vocal, more solemn hymns and some Islamic Anasheeds?

Apparently both of our faiths frown upon the use of instruments in worship (except maybe our brothers in the Ethiopian Orthodox church), and some arabic orthodox chants and Nasheeds sound somewhat similar (though this may just be about the language itself)

Why "unfortunate similarities"? Why should it be thought odd or sinful to note something that's fairly well-known?

It's a matter of historical record that there was considerable syncretic interplay between early Islam and Christianity, particularly non-Chalcedonian Oriental Orthodox Syriac and Coptic Christianity.

It's not just hymnography, either. The chador seems to have been directly lifted from early medieval Byzantine female dress, and even the Muslim practice of prostration during daily prayer seems to have be a direct copy of the Syriac practice, where prostration during daily prayer remains the hypothetically preferred practice.

For a readable non-academic discussion of some of these syncretic influences, try the relevant chapters of William Dalrymple's From the Holy Mountain.

And it worked in reverse, as well. Leo III's introduction of iconclasm into the Byzantine Empire was almost certainly a direct influence from Islam; Leo had been born in Muslim territory on the fluid boundary between Byzantium and the Caliphate, some 50 years after the Arab conquest of North Syria. Though the iconoclast controversy proved transient, of course; at least within eastern Christianity.

[The Archregimancy]

Christian discussion thread?

It will be hard to not say anything sarcastic but people should push their limits...

So, which beer christians prefer?

They may be schismatics and borderline heretics, but there's no doubt that Belgian Trappist monks make a fine beer.

[Czechanada]

Orthodox brothers and sisters, is it odd and/or sinful for me to think there are some unfortunate similarities between some of our vocal, more solemn hymns and some Islamic Anasheeds?

Apparently both of our faiths frown upon the use of instruments in worship (except maybe our brothers in the Ethiopian Orthodox church), and some arabic orthodox chants and Nasheeds sound somewhat similar (though this may just be about the language itself)

Why "unfortunate similarities"? Why should it be thought odd or sinful to note something that's fairly well-known?

It's a matter of historical record that there was considerable syncretic interplay between early Islam and Christianity, particularly non-Chalcedonian Oriental Orthodox Syriac and Coptic Christianity.

It's not just hymnography, either. The chador seems to have been directly lifted from early medieval Byzantine female dress, and even the Muslim practice of prostration during daily prayer seems to have be a direct copy of the Syriac practice, where prostration during daily prayer remains the hypothetically preferred practice.

For a readable non-academic discussion of some of these syncretic influences, try the relevant chapters of William Dalrymple's From the Holy Mountain.

And it worked in reverse, as well. Leo III's introduction of iconclasm into the Byzantine Empire was almost certainly a direct influence from Islam; Leo had been born in Muslim on the fluid boundary between Byzantium and the Caliphate, some 50 years after the Arab conquest of North Syria. Though the iconoclast controversy proved transient, of course; at least within eastern Christianity.

I'm sorry, but what does "born in Muslim" mean?

[Farnhamia]

Why "unfortunate similarities"? Why should it be thought odd or sinful to note something that's fairly well-known?

It's a matter of historical record that there was considerable syncretic interplay between early Islam and Christianity, particularly non-Chalcedonian Oriental Orthodox Syriac and Coptic Christianity.

It's not just hymnography, either. The chador seems to have been directly lifted from early medieval Byzantine female dress, and even the Muslim practice of prostration during daily prayer seems to have be a direct copy of the Syriac practice, where prostration during daily prayer remains the hypothetically preferred practice.

For a readable non-academic discussion of some of these syncretic influences, try the relevant chapters of William Dalrymple's From the Holy Mountain.

And it worked in reverse, as well. Leo III's introduction of iconclasm into the Byzantine Empire was almost certainly a direct influence from Islam; Leo had been born in Muslim on the fluid boundary between Byzantium and the Caliphate, some 50 years after the Arab conquest of North Syria. Though the iconoclast controversy proved transient, of course; at least within eastern Christianity.

I'm sorry, but what does "born in Muslim" mean?

"Born in Muslim territory."

[Czechanada]

I'm sorry, but what does "born in Muslim" mean?

"Born in Muslim territory."

That is what I thought, I just wanted to verify that it wasn't some idiosyncrasy of some other dialect of English.

[Distruzio]

Christian discussion thread?

It will be hard to not say anything sarcastic but people should push their limits...

So, which beer christians prefer?

They may be schismatics and borderline heretics, but there's no doubt that Belgian Trappist monks make a fine beer.

This, sir, is a helluva a good point. I forgot about those.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

"Born in Muslim territory."

That is what I thought, I just wanted to verify that it wasn't some idiosyncrasy of some other dialect of English.

The Correct word would have been Dar al-Islam.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

They may be schismatics and borderline heretics, but there's no doubt that Belgian Trappist monks make a fine beer.

This, sir, is a helluva a good point. I forgot about those.

Well, I know what I'm doing on my Europe Tour in December.

[Czechanada]

That is what I thought, I just wanted to verify that it wasn't some idiosyncrasy of some other dialect of English.

The Correct word would have been Dar al-Islam.

No, it would not have been.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The Correct word would have been Dar al-Islam.

No, it would not have been.

Um, yes it would.

[Czechanada]

No, it would not have been.

Um, yes it would.

There's no point in using an Islamic term since Archy was specifically referring to the perspective of the Byzantine nobleman especially since we are speaking in English and the concept of territory in Islam differs from the definition that we use today.

It would be as uselessly pedantic for me to retort: "No, it's called Praha!" If you mentioned the city of Prague.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Um, yes it would.

There's no point in using an Islamic term since Archy was specifically referring to the perspective of the Byzantine nobleman especially since we are speaking in English and the concept of territory in Islam differs from the definition that we use today.

It would be as uselessly pedantic for me to retort: "No, it's called Praha!" If you mentioned the city of Prague.

Fine perhaps I should have said "more correct". Regardless, the Muslims would agree that Muslim controlled territory as it was when Leo III died, was a series of inter connected nation states where a Muslim man could walk end to end with little hindrance, refered as the Abode of Islam, or Dar al-islam.