Should Homeschooling be Illegal?

[Vazdania]

Hmm....I'm thinking of Northwest Nazarene University right now (as it is the most well known religious university in ye olde Idaho), which can give degrees in biology and many other sciences I'd expect there are MANY other universities like this.

Wow. It's appalling that they're certified to teach this if they actually sell that shit.

They're in the top 5 BEST universities of ye olde Idaho
http://www.4icu.org/us/Idaho.htm

[Conscentia]

There is no such right.

According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, all people have the right to a free elementary education.

It doesn't specify how that is to go about....Whether than is public or homeschool.

Exactly. It doesn't specify. So there is no actually right to home-school education.

[Tlaceceyaya]

It's not such a problem in the UK, but as I understand in the US, certain widely held yet incorrect views may often be passed on to the next generation because of homeschooling.

Source?

This, posted by Dakini 4 minutes ago. 38.4% of respondents citing religious reasons as their reason for homeschooling?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Source?

This, posted by Dakini 4 minutes ago. 38.4% of respondents citing religious reasons as their reason for homeschooling?

Of course, it clearly isn't for the purposes of indoctrination into the religious system.

[Dakini]

And those universities should be unqualified to award degrees in biology or probably any of the sciences in general.

Typically, those sorts of places aren't certified to award degrees in the sciences either because the people who decide what qualifies as a reasonable institution for these are not totally batshit.

It would be nice if what you said was true, but it's more wishful thinking then anything.

What the fuck is wrong with the USA?!

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

The scientific theory of evolution is a iffy to some people,

Yes, people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about find it iffy.

even still, but it doesn't mean they are under qualified to teach.

Yes it does. They clearly lack critical thinking skills and are also wholly incapable of teaching about science which is a pretty important set of subjects.

Teaching is more then just science, it's about studies of math, history, writing, reading, and exc.

Science is an increasingly important part of our day-to-day lives. You can't neglect teaching it.

It's like saying I am retarded for not believing it in full.

Being scientifically illiterate doesn't mean that you're retarded. It just means that you're scientifically illiterate.

First off, didn't NSG have a 100 page debate on what they found iffy about evolution and there was a sort of logical debate? Even when you think they are wrong, it doesn't mean they do not know what they are talking about.

So according to your statement, if they do not accept the scientific theory of evolution, they lack critical thinking skills?

Science is important, but so is language, writing, history, and math. Science covers many grounds, and Evolution being apart of genetics, while also covering grounds such as gravity and the what not.

[Dakini]

Wow. It's appalling that they're certified to teach this if they actually sell that shit.

They're in the top 5 BEST universities of ye olde Idaho
http://www.4icu.org/us/Idaho.htm

Yeah, and based on the angry rants that I've found when I google their name and evolution, they seem to teach it.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Yes, people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about find it iffy.


Yes it does. They clearly lack critical thinking skills and are also wholly incapable of teaching about science which is a pretty important set of subjects.


Science is an increasingly important part of our day-to-day lives. You can't neglect teaching it.


Being scientifically illiterate doesn't mean that you're retarded. It just means that you're scientifically illiterate.

First off, didn't NSG have a 100 page debate on what they found iffy about evolution and there was a sort of logical debate? Even when you think they are wrong, it doesn't mean they do not know what they are talking about.

So according to your statement, if they do not accept the scientific theory of evolution, they lack critical thinking skills?

Science is important, but so is language, writing, history, and math. Science covers many grounds, and Evolution being apart of genetics, while also covering grounds such as gravity and the what not.

Evolution is a part of medicine. A part of massive swathes of biology. A part of history. A part of language.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

First off, didn't NSG have a 100 page debate on what they found iffy about evolution and there was a sort of logical debate? Even when you think they are wrong, it doesn't mean they do not know what they are talking about.

So according to your statement, if they do not accept the scientific theory of evolution, they lack critical thinking skills?

Science is important, but so is language, writing, history, and math. Science covers many grounds, and Evolution being apart of genetics, while also covering grounds such as gravity and the what not.

Evolution is a part of medicine. A part of massive swathes of biology. A part of history. A part of language.

Medicine: I know.

Biology: I know.

History: Darwin was such a prankster.

Language: Wait, wut?

[Lightfog]

Homeschooling definitely must be legal. It's a good way to protect children from violence and trends. Although, it should be regulated well.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Evolution is a part of medicine. A part of massive swathes of biology. A part of history. A part of language.

Medicine: I know.

Biology: I know.

History: Darwin was such a prankster.

Language: Wait, wut?

If someone denies evolution entirely, then they are denying natural selection. If they are denying that, then they are denying that anything evolves. Then they are denying language, culture and so much more.

[Dakini]

Yes, people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about find it iffy.


Yes it does. They clearly lack critical thinking skills and are also wholly incapable of teaching about science which is a pretty important set of subjects.


Science is an increasingly important part of our day-to-day lives. You can't neglect teaching it.


Being scientifically illiterate doesn't mean that you're retarded. It just means that you're scientifically illiterate.

First off, didn't NSG have a 100 page debate on what they found iffy about evolution and there was a sort of logical debate? Even when you think they are wrong, it doesn't mean they do not know what they are talking about.

One side probably offered some logical and scientifically valid debate. It would be very unlikely from the other side.

In either case, I'm not reading a 100 page debate.

So according to your statement, if they do not accept the scientific theory of evolution, they lack critical thinking skills?

Yes. As well as the ability to understand and process scientific information.

Science is important, but so is language, writing, history, and math. Science covers many grounds, and Evolution being apart of genetics, while also covering grounds such as gravity and the what not.

Yes so why should a parent be allowed to neglect a whole chunk of science just because they don't believe in it? Evolution is basically the foundation of modern biology. It's how we understand species and their relationships to each other. It's also how we understand many important issues (e.g. vaccination, drug-resistance) which effect people's lives.

An inability to understand evolution means that a person is poorly prepared for understanding and making educated decisions on a variety of subjects. It also means that a person is pretty much excluded from a large number of career paths. Failure to educate your children in the sciences is handicapping them tremendously.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

I think homeschooling can be better or worse depending.

my neighbor has a doctorate in philosophy and masters in psychology, in addition to a bachelors in biology and math. He is homeschooling his kid and I trust him to do a waaay better job than the public school we live by where I go (and my school is top 500 public schools in us).

There's always potential for abuse but thankfully most stupid oarents are too lazy to homeschool

[Natapoc]

Medicine: I know.

Biology: I know.

History: Darwin was such a prankster.

Language: Wait, wut?

If someone denies evolution entirely, then they are denying natural selection. If they are denying that, then they are denying that anything evolves. Then they are denying language, culture and so much more.

This is a bit of a strawman of young earth creationists. (Of course if anyone deserves to be strawmaned and mocked it's the creationists) still in the interest of factual and honest debate:

They don't disagree with evolution. They disagree with what they call "macro-evolution" (which is something they made up)

The creationists agree with what they call "micro-evolution" aka evolution that does not result in a different wholly different species. (again a distinction they made up)

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Homeschooling definitely must be legal. It's a good way to protect children from violence and trends. Although, it should be regulated well.

Homeschooling to shelter children from outside influences is a really iffy concept. Like, really. It's fair to limit exposure to things where appropriate, but it's much more effective in the long-term to spend time preparing children to be critical and inquisitive thinkers. I mean, you can shield children from violence or sexuality or whatever, and potentially limit their understanding of the world, or you can prepare them to approach those things maturely and intelligently, which is far more useful.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

Medicine: I know.

Biology: I know.

History: Darwin was such a prankster.

Language: Wait, wut?

If someone denies evolution entirely, then they are denying natural selection. If they are denying that, then they are denying that anything evolves. Then they are denying language, culture and so much more.

Denying Evolution -> Deny language.

That's a new one.

[Conscentia]

If someone denies evolution entirely, then they are denying natural selection. If they are denying that, then they are denying that anything evolves. Then they are denying language, culture and so much more.

Denying Evolution -> Deny language.
That's a new one.

Languages evolve.

English evolved from Middle English - a creole of Norman French & Old English with loans from Norse.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

First off, didn't NSG have a 100 page debate on what they found iffy about evolution and there was a sort of logical debate? Even when you think they are wrong, it doesn't mean they do not know what they are talking about.

One side probably offered some logical and scientifically valid debate. It would be very unlikely from the other side.

In either case, I'm not reading a 100 page debate.

So according to your statement, if they do not accept the scientific theory of evolution, they lack critical thinking skills?

Yes. As well as the ability to understand and process scientific information.

Science is important, but so is language, writing, history, and math. Science covers many grounds, and Evolution being apart of genetics, while also covering grounds such as gravity and the what not.

Yes so why should a parent be allowed to neglect a whole chunk of science just because they don't believe in it? Evolution is basically the foundation of modern biology. It's how we understand species and their relationships to each other. It's also how we understand many important issues (e.g. vaccination, drug-resistance) which effect people's lives.

An inability to understand evolution means that a person is poorly prepared for understanding and making educated decisions on a variety of subjects. It also means that a person is pretty much excluded from a large number of career paths. Failure to educate your children in the sciences is handicapping them tremendously.

Well, I am off to crucify myself.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Homeschooling definitely must be legal. It's a good way to protect children from violence and trends. Although, it should be regulated well.

Homeschooling to shelter children from outside influences is a really iffy concept. Like, really. It's fair to limit exposure to things where appropriate, but it's much more effective in the long-term to spend time preparing children to be critical and inquisitive thinkers. I mean, you can shield children from violence or sexuality or whatever, and potentially limit their understanding of the world, or you can prepare them to approach those things maturely and intelligently, which is far more useful.

Thats not inherent in homeschooling

[Dakini]

One side probably offered some logical and scientifically valid debate. It would be very unlikely from the other side.

In either case, I'm not reading a 100 page debate.


Yes. As well as the ability to understand and process scientific information.


Yes so why should a parent be allowed to neglect a whole chunk of science just because they don't believe in it? Evolution is basically the foundation of modern biology. It's how we understand species and their relationships to each other. It's also how we understand many important issues (e.g. vaccination, drug-resistance) which effect people's lives.

An inability to understand evolution means that a person is poorly prepared for understanding and making educated decisions on a variety of subjects. It also means that a person is pretty much excluded from a large number of career paths. Failure to educate your children in the sciences is handicapping them tremendously.

Well, I am off to crucify myself.

I would have thought that it would be better to educate yourself properly, but if that's too hard then suit yourself.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Homeschooling to shelter children from outside influences is a really iffy concept. Like, really. It's fair to limit exposure to things where appropriate, but it's much more effective in the long-term to spend time preparing children to be critical and inquisitive thinkers. I mean, you can shield children from violence or sexuality or whatever, and potentially limit their understanding of the world, or you can prepare them to approach those things maturely and intelligently, which is far more useful.

Thats not inherent in homeschooling

I know. That was his stated reason for it, though.

[The Parkus Empire]

If someone denies evolution entirely, then they are denying natural selection. If they are denying that, then they are denying that anything evolves. Then they are denying language, culture and so much more.

Denying Evolution -> Deny language.

That's a new one.

Well the Bible says all our tongues came from the Tower of Babel, although some scientists claim to have found texts that indicate languages evolved from other languages. The faithful remain skeptical.

[Natapoc]

Here's one which seems to have been a multiple option poll (since the % adds up to more than 100). I would be curious to see a breakdown of the votes (e.g. how many people voted for which combinations). The biggest reason is the belief that the parents can provide a better education, but it is not clear if this is actually the case (e.g. if I thought that evolution was terrible, then by not teaching evolution I'd think that I'm giving my children a better education).

On the other hand only 12.1% Object to what the school teaches.

The poll as it stands really does not support the idea that the majority of homeschooling parents do so for the reasons you indicated.

The poll really does not answer the question.

One should note that "religious reasons" given in the poll could also account for people who live in extremely religious areas where the public school pushes religious viewpoints that are contrary to the parents beliefs.

For example I know a family that homeschools because, as atheists, their daughter was harassed and bullied by both teachers and students at the public school.

In this case the family had to pull their children out of school because (living in an extremely religious area) it was the only way to keep their atheist daughter from being bullied by Christians (fellow students and teachers at the public school where she went)

Since this was a rural area, the public school was the only one she could attend.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

Denying Evolution -> Deny language.
That's a new one.

Languages evolve.

English evolved from Middle English - a creole of Norman French & Old English with loans from Norse.

No one is debating that.

I still don't know how not believing evolution makes one question their speech.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

Denying Evolution -> Deny language.

That's a new one.

Well the Bible says all our tongues came from the Tower of Babel, although some scientists claim to have found texts that indicate languages evolved from other languages. The faithful remain skeptical.

I have heard this one before.

However, literal readings of Genesis do often strike odd.