Non-binary genders

[Rocopurr]

I recognise that they exist, people identify with genders beyond Male and Female and it's pointless denying that they exist. However, I have a hard time comprehending what exactly they are. I can understand indentifing as a man while being biologically female and visa versa, but I don't really understand a lot of the other ways people itentify themselves (agender, trigender, etc)

I've heard multiple people say this, so I posted descriptions of some non-binary genders in the OP. I hope that that is helpful for anyone.

[Tyriece]

So whats your impute on this. My friend was a man and wanted to be called a man, now wishes to be called a woman so now i call her a woman, but in my mind i still think is a man.

I get that it might be a bit odd to get used to, but she is now a woman. Maybe after a while you'll start thinking of her as a she.

To far too many people sex and gender are the same thing.

Indeed. I say, educate that masses! There is a difference.

Maybe in time i guess i will i do not know anyone other then her, and she moved.
And yes, i do not know much about "mental gender" and the difference. (btw mine is a raccoon referring to your icon)

[Linaresa]

They exist. That is all I know.

[Rocopurr]

I get that it might be a bit odd to get used to, but she is now a woman. Maybe after a while you'll start thinking of her as a she.


Indeed. I say, educate that masses! There is a difference.

Maybe in time i guess i will i do not know anyone other then her, and she moved.
And yes, i do not know much about "mental gender" and the difference. (btw mine is a raccoon :P referring to your icon)

Let me explain it to you then, sex is your genitalia and gender is what you believe you are and identify as.

[Tyriece]

Maybe in time i guess i will i do not know anyone other then her, and she moved.
And yes, i do not know much about "mental gender" and the difference. (btw mine is a raccoon referring to your icon)

Let me explain it to you then, sex is your genitalia and gender is what you believe you are and identify as.

I see,I honestly did not know that :/

[Britcan]

I recognise that they exist, people identify with genders beyond Male and Female and it's pointless denying that they exist. However, I have a hard time comprehending what exactly they are. I can understand indentifing as a man while being biologically female and visa versa, but I don't really understand a lot of the other ways people itentify themselves (agender, trigender, etc)

I've heard multiple people say this, so I posted descriptions of some non-binary genders in the OP. I hope that that is helpful for anyone.

Well I now know what those terms mean but I still don't really understand them. Does that make any sense?

[Imperial Nazi-America]

They're all sick in the head and unnatural.

[Tyriece]

They're all sick in the head and unnatural.

Are they hurting themselves or anyone else?

[Bottle]

They're all sick in the head and unnatural.

PSA to the thread:

This dude is also posting random crap about how Obama should be arrested for holding Muslim prayer sessions in the White House and junk, so I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that I do not envision a bright future for this particular newbie. Probably best to not take it seriously.

[Vareiln]

They're all sick in the head and unnatural.

PSA to the thread:

This dude is also posting random crap about how Obama should be arrested for holding Muslim prayer sessions in the White House and junk, so I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that I do not envision a bright future for this particular newbie. Probably best to not take it seriously.

Many thanks for the heads up. I was actually about to respond to them.

[Imperial Nazi-America]

They're all sick in the head and unnatural.

Are they hurting themselves or anyone else?

By forcing others to think their sickness is natural, they are.

[Anachronous Rex]

Are they hurting themselves or anyone else?

By forcing others to think their sickness is natural, they are.

*puts gun to head*

"Think my sickness is natural, or else!"

[Rocopurr]

I've heard multiple people say this, so I posted descriptions of some non-binary genders in the OP. I hope that that is helpful for anyone.

Well I now know what those terms mean but I still don't really understand them. Does that make any sense?

I understand. I'm not sure I could help, but if you have questions I could try to answer them the best I can.

Let me explain it to you then, sex is your genitalia and gender is what you believe you are and identify as.

I see,I honestly did not know that :/

Don't sweat it; it's a fairly new concept. It's just important that you accept that there's a difference.

[Susurruses]

I get that it might be a bit odd to get used to, but she is now a woman. Maybe after a while you'll start thinking of her as a she.


Indeed. I say, educate that masses! There is a difference.

Maybe in time i guess i will i do not know anyone other then her, and she moved.
And yes, i do not know much about "mental gender" and the difference. (btw mine is a raccoon referring to your icon)

Contrary to popular opinion, gender is not entirely mental.
And since the brain is still part of the body the last time I checked, it's also physical.
(Neurology, psychology, biochemistry, etc.)
By prefixing gender with "mental", I feel like you imply that it's somehow (even partially) "made up".
I mean, your sexual orientation is "mental", no?
Think of it like that perhaps.
You don't wake up one day & decide "You know what? I fancy only liking penis forever."
(Or, I don't know, maybe some people do? Pretty sure that's not how it works though.)

It's pretty much just a case of feeling like something "fits" and makes one happy.
(And for some, what that is can fluctuate slightly or greatly, depending on various factors)
[Like, no-one's "locked in" at any point: It's up to the individual what they feel fits, not anyone else.]

[Britcan]

Well I now know what those terms mean but I still don't really understand them. Does that make any sense?

I understand. I'm not sure I could help, but if you have questions I could try to answer them the best I can.

I think to fully understand the concept I would have to know someone who didn't identify as Male or Female in real life.

[Susurruses]

I understand. I'm not sure I could help, but if you have questions I could try to answer them the best I can.

I think to fully understand the concept I would have to know someone who didn't identify as Male or Female in real life.

Hm. It might not be "in real life", but I might recommend Frogman's assistant 'Gab'.
They're agender, & pretty darn awesome.
http://aforaffort.tumblr.com/AboutMe
They do seem rather receptive to asks, though I'm always a bit iffy about the relative 'okayness' of making humans into information booths.
(I mean, on the one hand it does serve to educate people... but on the other I know it can get annoying to be fielding the same questions.)

[Rawrckia]

haha what the fuck is this thread I don't even

is this a big joke or are you people srs

[Pandeeria]

While I recognize most to all genders, I think people are getting carried away. However, just "switching" between genders at random times is silly and that I personally dislike.

[Threlizdun]

haha what the fuck is this thread I don't even

is this a big joke or are you people srs

This is a serious thread about real people with real gender identities that extend beyond the gender binary.

While I recognize most to all genders, I think people are getting carried away. However, just "switching" between genders at random times is silly and that I personally dislike.

People are not getting carried away, they are using terms to appropriately describe how they feel. If they do not feel as though they can idenity as exclusively male or female, then it only makes sense that they refer to themselves as something else. People do not simply choose to switch their gender identity however. Genderfluid individuals feel as though it constantly alters. They will believe with all their hearts that they are male one moment, female the next, and perhaps androgynous later. It is real, it happens, and frankly it often is terrible for such individuals. I experienced a sort period in which I constantly changed my gender identity due to having suppressed my gender identity for over a decade and being uncertain about what I was. It was terrible and I was miserable most of the time. It was never silly.

[Pandeeria]

haha what the fuck is this thread I don't even

is this a big joke or are you people srs

This is a serious thread about real people with real gender identities that extend beyond the gender binary.

While I recognize most to all genders, I think people are getting carried away. However, just "switching" between genders at random times is silly and that I personally dislike.

People are not getting carried away, they are using terms to appropriately describe how they feel. If they do not feel as though they can idenity as exclusively male or female, then it only makes sense that they refer to themselves as something else. People do not simply choose to switch their gender identity however. Genderfluid individuals feel as though it constantly alters. They will believe with all their hearts that they are male one moment, female the next, and perhaps androgynous later. It is real, it happens, and frankly it often is terrible for such individuals. I experienced a sort period in which I constantly changed my gender identity due to having suppressed my gender identity for over a decade and being uncertain about what I was. It was terrible and I was miserable most of the time. It was never silly.

You know what, you just changed my mind

[Grenartia]

It's amazing how many people don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) the very simple difference between sex and gender.

I myself am transgender, but I'm having trouble deciding whether I'm MtF or something non-binary.

I hope you answer that issue soon.

1. They're all sick in the head and 2. unnatural.

1. Mainstream psychology disagrees.

2. Appeal to nature is a logical fallacy. Not to mention that you're being rather hypocritical, by saying that society should be using whether or not something is 'unnatural' as a basis for accepting it, and using arguably unnatural means (computer/cellphone/tablet/gaming device/etc., internet) to do so.

haha what the fuck is this thread I don't even

is this a big joke or are you people srs

First, I kindly ask you to use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling. If nothing else, it makes it far easier for those of us who are not mind readers to understand what the hell you're trying to say.

Secondly, is what a "big joke"?

[Pandeeria]

haha what the fuck is this thread I don't even

is this a big joke or are you people srs

Are you "srs?"

If you don't mind me asking, what is wrong with you exactly?

[Threlizdun]

You know what, you just changed my mind

Thank you, you have no idea how great it is to here that on one of these threads.

[Neutraligon]

I've heard multiple people say this, so I posted descriptions of some non-binary genders in the OP. I hope that that is helpful for anyone.

Well I now know what those terms mean but I still don't really understand them. Does that make any sense?

I can understand you don't get it. A few of us who have been posting here are third gender, including myself (genderless). I can try and answer questions for you as best I can if you have any.

[Nailed to the Perch]

What little fact? She's still a woman regardless of genitalia.
The assumption that you made was that penis automatically equals male.
Which I pointed out was an erroneous assumption.

Calling blue red dose not make it red. Her chromosomes will always say male. How ever as i said before i respect her decision by calling her a girl. I do not see the problem here...

The problem is that you still seem to be arguing that she is "really" a man on some level. She's not.

It's fine for that to require some adjustment on your part, or for you to occasionally catch yourself thinking about her as "he" - as TSM said, it's a significant change and breaking habits may take time. But the thing is, Bottle's name comparison is pretty much spot on, both in pointing out that "call people what they want to be called" shouldn't really be a decision that requires strain on your part, and in the fact that deliberately NOT calling someone what they want to be called, even inside your own head, is kind of nasty. I have a friend from my youth who went by "Katie" up until about five years ago, at which point she let her friends know that she actually had always kind of hated the name Katie and would prefer to be called Katherine from then on. To this day, every now and then, I find myself thinking of her as "Katie" before mentally correcting to "Katherine." That doesn't make me a jerk. What WOULD make me a jerk would be insisting that the reason I sometimes think of her as Katie wasn't because old habits are hard to break and sometimes I'm spacey and dumb, but because her CORRECT name really WAS Katie on some level, no matter what she had to say about it.

I'm glad you address your friend as "she." That's a good thing. It's okay that it takes you some time to think of her as "she" as well. But it's important that you try, because deciding that you should make no effort not to think of her as "he" is essentially deciding that you know better than she does what she is, but are just too polite to say so.