Non-binary genders

[Tyriece]

You are talking to a bi sexual male here, i dont care what other people are. As for why, i dont know just dose not matter to me. For instance i knew a friend that wanted to be and be called a girl when he was born a guy, out of respect i called her a girl but in my mind thought him a boy.

Not very respectful if you think of her as a boy. Often unintentional, but regardless.

My thoughts are my own, only actions are public.

[Susurruses]

... so have you just figured trans* & genderqueer folk don't exist, or.. what?
Or to phrase it another way: Why?

You are talking to a bi sexual male here, i dont care what other people are. As for why, i dont know just dose not matter to me. For instance i knew a friend that wanted to be and be called a girl when he was born a guy, out of respect i called her a girl but in my mind thought him a boy.

Your sexuality is irrelevant really.
And you should care enough to show the same compassion that you would want shown to you.
You disrespect your friend by referring to her as "he" despite the clear decision regarding their gender.
She is a woman, regardless of the genitalia they were born with.
That's how it works, and paying lip-service (whilst better than nothing) isn't quite the same as respecting them.

If your mind isn't registering the update then maybe it needs rebooted.

[Tyriece]

You are talking to a bi sexual male here, i dont care what other people are. As for why, i dont know just dose not matter to me. For instance i knew a friend that wanted to be and be called a girl when he was born a guy, out of respect i called her a girl but in my mind thought him a boy.

Your sexuality is irrelevant really.
And you should care enough to show the same compassion that you would want shown to you.
You disrespect your friend by referring to her as "he" despite the clear decision regarding their gender.
She is a woman, regardless of the genitalia they were born with.
That's how it works, and paying lip-service (whilst better than nothing) isn't quite the same as respecting them.

If your mind isn't registering the update then maybe it needs rebooted.

So how would i reword it? "I knew a girl that wanted to be a girl and i called her a girl"? At one point in there life she was a boy. Rebooted? Sorry i am not a robot, people dont tell me things and i automatically believe it to the core of my existence. We are all human and we all have a subconscious that will always qustion information no matter how old it is.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Your sexuality is irrelevant really.
And you should care enough to show the same compassion that you would want shown to you.
You disrespect your friend by referring to her as "he" despite the clear decision regarding their gender.
She is a woman, regardless of the genitalia they were born with.
That's how it works, and paying lip-service (whilst better than nothing) isn't quite the same as respecting them.

If your mind isn't registering the update then maybe it needs rebooted.

So how would i reword it? "I knew a girl that wanted to be a girl and i called her a girl"? At one point in there life she was a boy. Rebooted? Sorry i am not a robot, people dont tell me things and i automatically believe it to the core of my existence. We are all human and we all have a subconscious that will always qustion information no matter how old it is.

Nah, you can just say that she's a trans woman. It can be difficult for you to reconcile that, lord knows it's a huge change! I'm just saying you need to work to challenge those preconceptions.

[Tyriece]

So how would i reword it? "I knew a girl that wanted to be a girl and i called her a girl"? At one point in there life she was a boy. Rebooted? Sorry i am not a robot, people dont tell me things and i automatically believe it to the core of my existence. We are all human and we all have a subconscious that will always qustion information no matter how old it is.

Nah, you can just say that she's a trans woman. It can be difficult for you to reconcile that, lord knows it's a huge change! I'm just saying you need to work to challenge those preconceptions.

I dont think she really cares to tell you the truth.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Nah, you can just say that she's a trans woman. It can be difficult for you to reconcile that, lord knows it's a huge change! I'm just saying you need to work to challenge those preconceptions.

I dont think she really cares to tell you the truth.

I would. I imagine she would as well.

[SaintB]

I'm going to be the first person in this thread to say that I believe that there are only two genders: male and female.

I gotta agree with you there, the stuff people nowadays spurt out is ridiculous to me, you are either a man or a woman, the very idea of more genders is laughable, any of you who are going to rage, show me your different biological parts eh? Men have penises and women have vaginas, simple, if you have something different, prove it and I will believe you.

Explain hermaphrodites to me then Mr. Expert.

[Susurruses]

Your sexuality is irrelevant really.
And you should care enough to show the same compassion that you would want shown to you.
You disrespect your friend by referring to her as "he" despite the clear decision regarding their gender.
She is a woman, regardless of the genitalia they were born with.
That's how it works, and paying lip-service (whilst better than nothing) isn't quite the same as respecting them.

If your mind isn't registering the update then maybe it needs rebooted.

So how would i reword it? "I knew a girl that wanted to be a girl and i called her a girl"? At one point in there life she was a boy. Rebooted? Sorry i am not a robot, people dont tell me things and i automatically believe it to the core of my existence. We are all human and we all have a subconscious that will always qustion information no matter how old it is.

(Should I presume you are a non-native English speaker rather than just poorly literate?)
Here's the rewording:
You know someone that was born with male genitalia & revealed to you later that they're a woman, contrary to your initial assumption.

And yes, "rebooted". The analogy holds because you're stuck in a known error.
So you should, in an ideal world, seek to correct your flawed manner of thinking.
(As in, mentally adjusting your language so that you remember she is a woman and use the appropriate pronouns consistently until it becomes completely natural to do so.)

Really? I was under the impression that questioning was a conscious act & blind acceptance of assumed realities was the domain of cultists and fools.
New information, when it's valid, should completely overwrite old false information.
What you refer to as "subconscious" is simply engrained patterns.
It's not your subconscious; it's your learned errors proving resistant to fact.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I gotta agree with you there, the stuff people nowadays spurt out is ridiculous to me, you are either a man or a woman, the very idea of more genders is laughable, any of you who are going to rage, show me your different biological parts eh? Men have penises and women have vaginas, simple, if you have something different, prove it and I will believe you.

Explain hermaphrodites to me then Mr. Expert.

Intersex people, but yes.

[Susurruses]

I gotta agree with you there, the stuff people nowadays spurt out is ridiculous to me, you are either a man or a woman, the very idea of more genders is laughable, any of you who are going to rage, show me your different biological parts eh? Men have penises and women have vaginas, simple, if you have something different, prove it and I will believe you.

Explain hermaphrodites to me then Mr. Expert.

They're "intersex". True hermaphroditism is extremely rare, & considered incorrect terminology as well as potentially pejorative language.
But yes, the person you quote is grossly ignorant and misinformed regarding the diversity of sex and gender.

[Britcan]

I recognise that they exist, people identify with genders beyond Male and Female and it's pointless denying that they exist. However, I have a hard time comprehending what exactly they are. I can understand indentifing as a man while being biologically female and visa versa, but I don't really understand a lot of the other ways people itentify themselves (agender, trigender, etc)

[Tyriece]

So how would i reword it? "I knew a girl that wanted to be a girl and i called her a girl"? At one point in there life she was a boy. Rebooted? Sorry i am not a robot, people dont tell me things and i automatically believe it to the core of my existence. We are all human and we all have a subconscious that will always qustion information no matter how old it is.

(Should I presume you are a non-native English speaker rather than just poorly literate?)
Here's the rewording:
You know someone that was born with male genitalia & revealed to you later that they're a woman, contrary to your initial assumption.

And yes, "rebooted". The analogy holds because you're stuck in a known error.
So you should, in an ideal world, seek to correct your flawed manner of thinking.
(As in, mentally adjusting your language so that you remember she is a woman and use the appropriate pronouns consistently until it becomes completely natural to do so.)

Really? I was under the impression that questioning was a conscious act & blind acceptance of assumed realities was the domain of cultists and fools.
New information, when it's valid, should completely overwrite old false information.
What you refer to as "subconscious" is simply engrained patterns.
It's not your subconscious; it's your learned errors proving resistant to fact.

Yaaaa here is a BIG problem with that. She still has male genitalia. So reword that little fact.

[Vareiln]

I gotta agree with you there, the stuff people nowadays spurt out is ridiculous to me, you are either a man or a woman, the very idea of more genders is laughable, any of you who are going to rage, show me your different biological parts eh? Men have penises and women have vaginas, simple, if you have something different, prove it and I will believe you.

Explain hermaphrodites to me then Mr. Expert.

True hermaphrodites are exceedingly rare, but nonetheless, WIKIPEDIA EXPLAINS!
Unless you meant to say intersex, in which case, once again, WIKIPEDIA EXPLAINS!

[Susurruses]

(Should I presume you are a non-native English speaker rather than just poorly literate?)
Here's the rewording:
You know someone that was born with male genitalia & revealed to you later that they're a woman, contrary to your initial assumption.

And yes, "rebooted". The analogy holds because you're stuck in a known error.
So you should, in an ideal world, seek to correct your flawed manner of thinking.
(As in, mentally adjusting your language so that you remember she is a woman and use the appropriate pronouns consistently until it becomes completely natural to do so.)

Really? I was under the impression that questioning was a conscious act & blind acceptance of assumed realities was the domain of cultists and fools.
New information, when it's valid, should completely overwrite old false information.
What you refer to as "subconscious" is simply engrained patterns.
It's not your subconscious; it's your learned errors proving resistant to fact.

Yaaaa here is a BIG problem with that. She still has male genitalia. So reword that little fact.

What little fact? She's still a woman regardless of genitalia.
The assumption that you made was that penis automatically equals male.
Which I pointed out was an erroneous assumption.

[SaintB]

Explain hermaphrodites to me then Mr. Expert.

Intersex people, but yes.

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They're "intersex". True hermaphroditism is extremely rare, & considered incorrect terminology as well as potentially pejorative language.
But yes, the person you quote is grossly ignorant and misinformed regarding the diversity of sex and gender.

I had to put it in terms they would understand, I didn't think they would comprehend a more technical, sociological or psychological explanation.

[Tyriece]

Yaaaa here is a BIG problem with that. She still has male genitalia. So reword that little fact.

What little fact? She's still a woman regardless of genitalia.
The assumption that you made was that penis automatically equals male.
Which I pointed out was an erroneous assumption.

Calling blue red dose not make it red. Her chromosomes will always say male. How ever as i said before i respect her decision by calling her a girl. I do not see the problem here...

[Vareiln]

What little fact? She's still a woman regardless of genitalia.
The assumption that you made was that penis automatically equals male.
Which I pointed out was an erroneous assumption.

Calling blue red dose not make it red. Her chromosomes will always say male. How ever as i said before i respect her decision by calling her a girl. I do not see the problem here...

*Sigh*
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that despite her chromosomes, she's, well, a she. Get that through your head and their won't be any problems here.

[Tyriece]

Calling blue red dose not make it red. Her chromosomes will always say male. How ever as i said before i respect her decision by calling her a girl. I do not see the problem here...

*Sigh*
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that despite her chromosomes, she's, well, a she. Get that through your head and their won't be any problems here.

Ya Fuck Biology!...

[Susurruses]

What little fact? She's still a woman regardless of genitalia.
The assumption that you made was that penis automatically equals male.
Which I pointed out was an erroneous assumption.

Calling blue red dose not make it red. Her chromosomes will always say male. How ever as i said before i respect her decision by calling her a girl. I do not see the problem here...

Calling purple "blue" or "red" is an error either way.
And indeed her chromosomes aren't the point.
Neurology, biochemistry, psychology... All of those are far more important to identity than XX, XY, or any permutation thereof.
The problem stems from your mistaken assumptions feeding into your thought-patterns.
Ideally, you would be thinking the right things as well as saying them.

[Vareiln]

*Sigh*
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that despite her chromosomes, she's, well, a she. Get that through your head and their won't be any problems here.

Ya Fuck Biology!...

Actually, BIOLOGY, FUCK YEAH!

[Rocopurr]

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

[SaintB]

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

To far too many people sex and gender are the same thing.

[Tyriece]

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

So whats your impute on this. My friend was a man and wanted to be called a man, now wishes to be called a woman so now i call her a woman, but in my mind i still think is a man.

[Rocopurr]

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

So whats your impute on this. My friend was a man and wanted to be called a man, now wishes to be called a woman so now i call her a woman, but in my mind i still think is a man.

I get that it might be a bit odd to get used to, but she is now a woman. Maybe after a while you'll start thinking of her as a she.

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

To far too many people sex and gender are the same thing.

Indeed. I say, educate that masses! There is a difference.

[Bottle]

This is a friendly reminder that this thread is about gender, not sex. I mean, in case the title and OP didn't hint you. So using biology and genitalia to say that there are only two genders doesn't work too well.

So whats your impute on this. My friend was a man and wanted to be called a man, now wishes to be called a woman so now i call her a woman, but in my mind i still think is a man.

My friend was called Sammy and wanted to be called Sammy, but now he prefers to be called Sam so I call him Sam.

It's adorable to me that there are people who think gender is any more significant than this.