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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:39 pm

Len Hyet wrote:

OHHHHHH
Back to being scared.
I'll just continue on my merry male-identifying way then shall I?

What's scary about Superwoman?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:41 pm

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I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

There is such a thing as furries, you know.


Same response fits, really. Though that's not confined to tumblr. It's still stupid, idiotic, more than a little creepy, and champions bestiality, but until someone takes that final step and says "I /am/ an anthromorphic cat that craves human dick", it's not transphobic.

once it hits that step, at least you have something concrete to lambast them with.

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Postby Len Hyet » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:41 pm

Olthar wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:OHHHHHH
Back to being scared.
I'll just continue on my merry male-identifying way then shall I?

What's scary about Superwoman?

That you appear to be using her to replace men
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:42 pm

Chambridge wrote:There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.


Demonstrably untrue.

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Postby Arcturus IV » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:43 pm

Olthar wrote:
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Again, how is agender a gender?

Well, I suppose technically speaking, it isn't a gender any more than "off" is a TV channel, but it's easier to just list it in with the other genders out there.


That makes sense. I thought I was missing something.

So if an individual is agendered, what does that make them? Just "agendered"? No other way to refer to it?

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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:44 pm

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Lemanrussland wrote:There is such a thing as furries, you know.


Same response fits, really. Though that's not confined to tumblr. It's still stupid, idiotic, more than a little creepy, and champions bestiality, but until someone takes that final step and says "I /am/ an anthromorphic cat that craves human dick", it's not transphobic.

once it hits that step, at least you have something concrete to lambast them with.

It's not bestiality if the creatures are sentient. It's just interspecies. It's like a human fucking an elf. Except the elf has more hair than the human instead of less.

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Olthar wrote:What's scary about Superwoman?

That you appear to be using her to replace men
Remember? Women, asexual, and Superwoman?

That was a joke... :V
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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:45 pm

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Olthar wrote:Well, I suppose technically speaking, it isn't a gender any more than "off" is a TV channel, but it's easier to just list it in with the other genders out there.


That makes sense. I thought I was missing something.

So if an individual is agendered, what does that make them? Just "agendered"? No other way to refer to it?

I dunno.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:46 pm

Chambridge wrote:There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.


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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:47 pm

Olthar wrote:
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Same response fits, really. Though that's not confined to tumblr. It's still stupid, idiotic, more than a little creepy, and champions bestiality, but until someone takes that final step and says "I /am/ an anthromorphic cat that craves human dick", it's not transphobic.

once it hits that step, at least you have something concrete to lambast them with.

It's not bestiality if the creatures are sentient. It's just interspecies. It's like a human fucking an elf. Except the elf has more hair than the human instead of less.



Words cannot express how utterly little I care about the minute or technicalities of the masturbation habits of 'furries.'

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Postby Britannic Realms » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:48 pm

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Chambridge wrote:There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.


Demonstrably untrue.


Oh? Do you have any examples?
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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:48 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Chambridge wrote:There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.


Hi, I'm an androgyne, and I FUCKING EXIST!

No you don't. You're just a figment of my imagination. Now get back to your corner of my brain. It's getting dusty over there, and I need you to start cleaning up for once.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:48 pm

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Demonstrably untrue.


Oh? Do you have any examples?


Sure. My roommate's nonbinary. You have a number of people on this forum who are nonbinary. I have friends who are nonbinary.

If you're talking about sex, not gender, 1 in 66 people are intersex, and thus, nonbinary.

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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:50 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Olthar wrote:It's not bestiality if the creatures are sentient. It's just interspecies. It's like a human fucking an elf. Except the elf has more hair than the human instead of less.



Words cannot express how utterly little I care about the minute or technicalities of the masturbation habits of 'furries.'

Oh, I don't care what they fap to, either. I just care that there seems to be an impression that what they do is illegal and/or morally questionable, and I prefer people don't falsely accuse each other of such things. Being nice is better.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:51 pm

Olthar wrote:
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Words cannot express how utterly little I care about the minute or technicalities of the masturbation habits of 'furries.'

Oh, I don't care what they fap to, either. I just care that there seems to be an impression that what they do is illegal and/or morally questionable, and I prefer people don't falsely accuse each other of such things. Being nice is better.

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Postby Britannic Realms » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:52 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
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Oh? Do you have any examples?


Sure. My roommate's nonbinary. You have a number of people on this forum who are nonbinary. I have friends who are nonbinary.

If you're talking about sex, not gender, 1 in 66 people are intersex, and thus, nonbinary.


But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?
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Postby Len Hyet » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:53 pm

Britannic Realms wrote:
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Sure. My roommate's nonbinary. You have a number of people on this forum who are nonbinary. I have friends who are nonbinary.

If you're talking about sex, not gender, 1 in 66 people are intersex, and thus, nonbinary.


But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?

Asexual
F2M
M2F
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:54 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
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But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?

Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on


All of that is wrong, for the record.

M2F and F2M people are binary, they`re men, or women. asexual people just don`t like sex.

Nonbinary people are genderqueers, bigender folks, agender people. That sort of stuff. a small minority, but there`s no harm in being inclusive.

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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:55 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
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But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?

Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on

Asexual is a sexuality, not a gender.
Trans individuals can but do not necessarily break the gender binary.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:55 pm

Olthar wrote:
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Words cannot express how utterly little I care about the minute or technicalities of the masturbation habits of 'furries.'

Oh, I don't care what they fap to, either. I just care that there seems to be an impression that what they do is illegal and/or morally questionable, and I prefer people don't falsely accuse each other of such things. Being nice is better.


Illegal, no. Morally questionable, probably. In much the same way that masturbating to 'jailbait' is incredibly fucking creepy.

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Postby Susurruses » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:55 pm

Britannic Realms wrote:
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Sure. My roommate's nonbinary. You have a number of people on this forum who are nonbinary. I have friends who are nonbinary.

If you're talking about sex, not gender, 1 in 66 people are intersex, and thus, nonbinary.


But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?


*ahem* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

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Postby Len Hyet » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:55 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on


All of that is wrong, for the record.

M2F and F2M people are binary, they`re men, or women. asexual people just don`t like sex.

Nonbinary people are genderqueers, bigender folks, agender people. That sort of stuff. a small minority, but there`s no harm in being inclusive.

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Postby Arcturus IV » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:56 pm

Olthar wrote:
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That makes sense. I thought I was missing something.

So if an individual is agendered, what does that make them? Just "agendered"? No other way to refer to it?

I dunno.


Huh. It just feels a little strange to say "I'm agender/agendered" and not have any other way to express it without saying "I don't associate with/identify as having a gender". I mean, it doesn't really feel that weird to say "I'm atheist", because I could technically also say "I'm a godless heathen" or whatever and not just "I don't believe in a god or gods". Even though that's basically the same thing.

Maybe I'm just overthinking it. Atheism is more prevalent, from what I have seen, and that could explain it - the lack of prevalence. I know quite a few atheist people. I know very few agendered people.

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But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?

Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on


Asexual is a sexual orientation (or rather, lack of sexual orientation), not a gender.

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Postby Britannic Realms » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:56 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:
But what is a 'non-binary gender'? What other kinds of genders are there if there are more than two?

Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on


Asexual means a lack of sexual attraction. I would dispute that is a separate gender because you could be a man and be not interested in sex, therefore you could be a male asexual. In regards to transgender people, would it not be right to say that they mostly regard themselves as male or female and not a separate gender.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:57 pm

Britannic Realms wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Asexual
F2M
M2F
And so on


Asexual means a lack of sexual attraction. I would dispute that is a separate gender because you could be a man and be not interested in sex, therefore you could be a male asexual. In regards to transgender people, would it not be right to say that they mostly regard themselves as male or female and not a separate gender.


That's all correct, yes. Emphasis on "mostly" though.

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Postby Olthar » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:00 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Olthar wrote:Oh, I don't care what they fap to, either. I just care that there seems to be an impression that what they do is illegal and/or morally questionable, and I prefer people don't falsely accuse each other of such things. Being nice is better.


Illegal, no. Morally questionable, probably. In much the same way that masturbating to 'jailbait' is incredibly fucking creepy.

Theoretically speaking, there would be nothing legally wrong with having intercourse with a consenting, of age furry while jailbait is so named because the individuals are just under the age of consent, making it illegal. So, you're still comparing it to an illegal activity.
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