Non-binary genders

[Euroslavia]

Grenartia you appear to a real life example of everything I despise. You make me physically sick.

How dare you compare your first-world issues of some people not agreeing with you about gender identity problems to having to suffer slavery. How dare you say believing in the binary gender system is the same as making you suffer forced labour.
Just because the entire world doesn't support your special snowflake problems doesn't mean people are actively trying to stop you from happiness and freedom. Nobody is forcing you to conform to society's normal roles and identities and even if they did it isn't slavery.

Believing in binary gender is not the same as promoting traditional gender roles (which I do) and there is nothing sexist about believing that the gender system is binary. And once again, gender is not a social construct. If anything non-binary genders is a construct made by the far left.

Tl;dr: Nobody is oppressing you, get a grip and stop being such a whiny liberal sh*t.

*** Warned for flaming *** You can get your point across without making personal attacks.

[Central Slavia]

You identifying as a monkey != You being a monkey physically

The main issue is identity, and whether we should respect people who identify as "something else".

Honestly, I don't care if you want to identify as a monkey, power to you, whatever floats your boat etc.

I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

Ever heard of otherkin? Nutcases like that do exist and it's got nothing to do with transgender people.

[Lemanrussland]

You identifying as a monkey != You being a monkey physically

The main issue is identity, and whether we should respect people who identify as "something else".

Honestly, I don't care if you want to identify as a monkey, power to you, whatever floats your boat etc.

I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

There is such a thing as furries, you know.

[Asuiop]

I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

There is such a thing as furries, you know.

Most are normal from what I have seen from some Internet forums, but some take it WAY to far. For example, I have heard some specifically believe that their soul is really the soul of an animal frapped inside a humans body.

[Central Slavia]

I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

There is such a thing as furries, you know.

Nah, not furries.
Whereas otherkin are analogous to someone thinking they're another gender, furries are more like a comedian putting on drag for a sketch.

[Lemanrussland]

Well yeah, technically not all furries consider themselves animals "in spirit" or whatever (though studies suggest up to 25 percent of them do, at least partially).

I misused the word. "Otherkin" would be the correct term.

[Grenartia]

Grenartia you appear to a real life example of everything I despise. You make me physically sick.

How dare you compare your first-world issues of some people not agreeing with you about gender identity problems to having to suffer slavery. How dare you say believing in the binary gender system is the same as making you suffer forced labour.
Just because the entire world doesn't support your special snowflake problems doesn't mean people are actively trying to stop you from happiness and freedom. Nobody is forcing you to conform to society's normal roles and identities and even if they did it isn't slavery.

Believing in binary gender is not the same as promoting traditional gender roles (which I do) and there is nothing sexist about believing that the gender system is binary. And once again, gender is not a social construct. If anything non-binary genders is a construct made by the far left.

Tl;dr: Nobody is oppressing you, get a grip and stop being such a whiny liberal sh*t.

You don't have to resort to flaming and ad hominems.

All I'm saying is that slavery is the denial of a person's right to self-determination for no legitimate reason. Forced labor, while often a reason people enslave others, is NOT the sole reason for slavery's existence. There's other reasons, such as an outlet for sexual desires, profitting from other's sexual desires, or just a power trip from exerting excessive control over others.

As for "traditional gender roles", yes, they are sexist, as they are a set of expectations based on gender. Saying that only men should go out and workand earning money while only women should stay home and clean the house and make dinner and take care of the kids is inherently sexist.

And trying to shoehorn me into that system against my will IS suppressing my right to self-determination. Especially when I can be denied a job/get fired for expressing myself. It is certainly not de jure oppression, but it is definitely de facto oppression.

[Olthar]

I believe in tertiary genders: female, agender, and super female. Nothing else exists.

[Central Slavia]

And trying to shoehorn me into that system against my will IS suppressing my right to self-determination. Especially when I can be denied a job/get fired for expressing myself. It is certainly not de jure oppression, but it is definitely de facto oppression.

Some cheese with that whine?
Fact is, you can get denied a job or be fired for all sorts of things that interfere with your self-expression. (otherwise I'd attend job interviews during summer in a wifebeater and boxers)
That's how society works.

[Arcturus IV]

I believe in tertiary genders: female, agender, and super female. Nothing else exists.

Again, how is agender a gender?

[Len Hyet]

I believe in tertiary genders: female, agender, and super female. Nothing else exists.

Olthar, you're scaring me.

[Olthar]

I believe in tertiary genders: female, agender, and super female. Nothing else exists.

Again, how is agender a gender?

Well, I suppose technically speaking, it isn't a gender any more than "off" is a TV channel, but it's easier to just list it in with the other genders out there.

I believe in tertiary genders: female, agender, and super female. Nothing else exists.

Olthar, you're scaring me.

Why?

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And trying to shoehorn me into that system against my will IS suppressing my right to self-determination. Especially when I can be denied a job/get fired for expressing myself. It is certainly not de jure oppression, but it is definitely de facto oppression.

Some cheese with that whine?
Fact is, you can get denied a job or be fired for all sorts of things that interfere with your self-expression. (otherwise I'd attend job interviews during summer in a wifebeater and boxers)
That's how society works.

But Grenartia might lose or be denied their job for expressing themselves, for example, through clothing choices, that a cisgender male or a cisgender female could wear without question.

A cisgender employee also can count on being called by their preferred pronouns. Say, for example, a ciswoman was called "he" by her coworkers and boss, despite the fact that she's a woman and wants to be acknowledged as one, that's clear cut harassment and a hostile work environment and she has legal recourse. Does Gren have the same option if their coworkers decide to assign them binary pronouns based on what they presume their birth assignment to be? No.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Yes. A person's mind determines their gender, and every person's mind is unique

[Chambridge]

There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.

[Len Hyet]

Again, how is agender a gender?

Well, I suppose technically speaking, it isn't a gender any more than "off" is a TV channel, but it's easier to just list it in with the other genders out there.

Olthar, you're scaring me.

Why?

Oh, I thought there was a joke buried in there. Never mind.

On that note, what's a Super Female?

[Olthar]

Well, I suppose technically speaking, it isn't a gender any more than "off" is a TV channel, but it's easier to just list it in with the other genders out there.


Why?

Oh, I thought there was a joke buried in there. Never mind.

On that note, what's a Super Female?

One born on Krypton.

[Third Mexican Empire]

There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.

As has been pointed out before, sex does not equal gender.

[Len Hyet]

Oh, I thought there was a joke buried in there. Never mind.

On that note, what's a Super Female?

One born on Krypton.

Okay now I'm just confused.
Which is admittedly better than scared.

[Grenartia]

Grenartia you appear to a real life example of everything I despise. You make me physically sick.

How dare you compare your first-world issues of some people not agreeing with you about gender identity problems to having to suffer slavery. How dare you say believing in the binary gender system is the same as making you suffer forced labour.
Just because the entire world doesn't support your special snowflake problems doesn't mean people are actively trying to stop you from happiness and freedom. Nobody is forcing you to conform to society's normal roles and identities and even if they did it isn't slavery.

Believing in binary gender is not the same as promoting traditional gender roles (which I do) and there is nothing sexist about believing that the gender system is binary. And once again, gender is not a social construct. If anything non-binary genders is a construct made by the far left.

Tl;dr: Nobody is oppressing you, get a grip and stop being such a whiny liberal sh*t.

Actually, yeah, not acknowledging gender does have significant impact on people, to the point of causing dysphoria, depression, anxiety, PTSD, and suicide.

At the very least, in my case, it has an extreme negative effect on my economic situation. Considering that I live in a suburban/rural area in one of the most homophobic and transphobic states in the fucking Union (Tennessee, for those who want to know), which also allows employers to fire anybody for any reason, expressing my gender effectively means I'm unhireable. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my happiness just to fucking survive.

And trying to shoehorn me into that system against my will IS suppressing my right to self-determination. Especially when I can be denied a job/get fired for expressing myself. It is certainly not de jure oppression, but it is definitely de facto oppression.

Some cheese with that whine?
Fact is, you can get denied a job or be fired for all sorts of things that interfere with your self-expression. (otherwise I'd attend job interviews during summer in a wifebeater and boxers)
That's how society works.

The fact is there are reasonable justifications for not hiring/firing somebody, and unreasonable justifications. Gender identity and expression is an UNREASONABLE JUSTIFICATION. Improper attire is a reasonable one.

[Susurruses]

There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.

Why?

[Third Mexican Empire]

There's no such thing as "non-binary genders". You are either a man or a woman.

Why?

Because he thinks gender = sex

[Olthar]

One born on Krypton.

Okay now I'm just confused.
Which is admittedly better than scared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superwoman

[Len Hyet]

Okay now I'm just confused.
Which is admittedly better than scared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superwoman

OHHHHHH
Back to being scared.
I'll just continue on my merry male-identifying way then shall I?

[The Steel Magnolia]

I, however, do, seeing as species isn't a social construct and the brains of human beings don't resemble monkey's brains more than they do other human beings.

Oh, and the only reason why someone would "identify" as a monkey is to be a gigantic cunt to transgender people who face actual dysphroia and actual difficulty in their lives.

Ever heard of otherkin? Nutcases like that do exist and it's got nothing to do with transgender people.

Yeah? I have?

It's still stupid tumblr bullshit mixed with a dash of transphobia?