Church State in Public And in Private

[Neo Rome Republic]

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

eh....I suppose that is true.

So again Ill ask, what good can come about a Theocracy?

[Slovenya]

*points at Norway, the UK, Greece, and Finland, among others*

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

[Forster Keys]

*points at current theocracies in the Middle East*

*points at Norway, the UK, Greece, and Finland, among others*

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

[4years]

Roman Empire, feudal Europe, Nazi Germany, modern Iran, etc.

Yeah, they have been.

Norway, the UK, Greece, and Finland, among others have a state church.

Which is different from being a theocracy.

[Neo Rome Republic]

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

''cough'' Yes they are''cough''

[Vazdania]

*points at Norway, the UK, Greece, and Finland, among others*

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

We've established that state churchs and theocracies are different.

[Maineiacs]

You're pointing to countries where a large amount of people are non-religious.

and yet they have a state church.

If you're so eager to live in a theocracy, move to Iran. They've had one for nearly 35 years. Let us know how much you like it there.

[Slovenya]

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

''cough'' Yes they are''cough''[/quote]

I call BS. And if that won't convince you, then how about the communists that murdered thousands if not millions. Most if not all were atheists.

[Forster Keys]

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

We've established that state churchs and theocracies are different.

Good. Coz that was a really silly thing to say.

[4years]

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

1. So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? 2. I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

1. No. Where did you get that idea?
2. The people,in power are religious, but the US isn't a theocracy.

[Blasveck]

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

eh....I suppose that is true.

Seriously, look at all the shit that theocracies have caused. In the Middle East there is sectarian division. With Nazi Germany, religion was used to convince the Nazi Army that what they were doing was perfectly okay. And I need not mention the Crusades.

[The Parkus Empire]

Then how do you support theocracy?

That is my ideologue ideals.

So what's this

It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.

?

Your non ideologue ideals?

[Vazdania]

and yet they have a state church.

If you're so eager to live in a theocracy, move to Iran. They've had one for nearly 35 years. Let us know how much you like it there.

I would prefer Saudi Arabia...

[4years]

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

''cough'' Yes they are''cough''

I call BS. And if that won't convince you, then how about the communists that murdered thousands if not millions. Most if not all were atheists.[/quote]

1. What communists?
2. Pretty sure that was in reference to your claim that the people in power in the US weren't religious.

[Vazdania]

That is my ideologue ideals.

So what's this

It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.

?

Your non ideologue ideals?

correct.

[Slovenya]

1. So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? 2. I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

1. No. Where did you get that idea?
2. The people,in power are religious, but the US isn't a theocracy.[/quote]

How exactly are they religious? Most of them use "God" and religion to get to the seat of power, because they know a large percentage of the US are Christians/or believe in God. Or do you think politicians here (the US) are honest and Godfearing? Oh please

[Blasveck]

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

''cough'' Yes they are''cough''

I call BS. And if that won't convince you, then how about the communists that murdered thousands if not millions. Most if not all were atheists.[/quote]

Atheism was not the motivating force for those murders. Rememberthe Crusades? Religion was used to justify that. Hitler used religion to justify what he was doing.

[Anachronous Rex]

Let me just clarify hear: Ottoman religious autonomy was, for instance, infinitely preferable to Byzantine, "it's not okay, purge the heretic" policies.

However, every time this happens all it does is thrust a divide between the religious group and the larger society. It pointlessly Balkanizes the populace, and creates tension because the religious group inevitably always desires yet greater autonomy to deal with things their own way (the government, obviously wanting the opposite.)

It's a recipe for Sectarianism.

We're already divided, those who believe in God, and those who dont. That's how it should be, and it won't change. Even if the matter isnt about religion, people will always be divided.

That's sort of pedantic. Of course there will always be division, but there isn't always tension. And certainly not the same degree of it.

Compare Catholics and Protestants in Germany to those in Ireland.

[Vazdania]

eh....I suppose that is true.

Seriously, look at all the shit that theocracies have caused. In the Middle East there is sectarian division. With Nazi Germany, religion was used to convince the Nazi Army that what they were doing was perfectly okay. And I need not mention the Crusades.

Well personally I view the crusades as a good thing, but whatever.

[Neo Rome Republic]

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

''cough'' Yes they are''cough''

I call BS. And if that won't convince you, then how about the communists that murdered thousands if not millions. Most if not all were atheists.[/quote]

They did it because, they followed a dogma which is what a religion is, a dogmatic belief. So even if, they didn't follow a religion they still, had a dogmatic code to follow. Also, you were referring to the US which is farrrrrr from a Godless country. That was the point I was addressing. PS:Hitler wasn't an atheist in case you were referring to him.

[Anachronous Rex]

*cough* those aren't theocracies *cough*

So are you saying non theocracies are peaceful? I'm almost sure the people who are currently in power in the US arent religious, and look at all the wars and crap they start.

1. Really?
2. The current government doesn't really start anything. So much so that that's actually their main problem.

[Asuiop]

Not really.

Roman Empire, feudal Europe, Nazi Germany, modern Iran, etc.

Yeah, they have been.

There were good ones

Byzantine Empire, Ancient Israel, Old, middle, and New Kingdoms of Egypt, Vatican City

[Blasveck]

Seriously, look at all the shit that theocracies have caused. In the Middle East there is sectarian division. With Nazi Germany, religion was used to convince the Nazi Army that what they were doing was perfectly okay. And I need not mention the Crusades.

Well personally I view the crusades as a good thing, but whatever.

Murdering people because they have different views about the world is okay?

[Vazdania]

Well personally I view the crusades as a good thing, but whatever.

Murdering people because they have different views about the world is okay?

Warfare =/= Murder

[Slovenya]

Atheism was not the motivating force for those murders. Rememberthe Crusades? Religion was used to justify that. Hitler used religion to justify what he was doing.

Of course Atheism wasn't the motivating force, it was power, power, power. People who don't even believe in religion use it for their own gain. Besides you can't say "I use Atheism to commit my crimes", you don't have to say anything, because an Atheist won't feel like he'll be punished in the afterlife for his crimes, so he's "free" to do that he wants.