Church State in Public And in Private

[Slovenya]

you still haven't addressed the whole ''fear of punishment'' as the religious too, can find a loophole for themselves.

rephrase that question please

[Farnhamia]

you're right, if anything he thought the evolutionary gene of the aryan people was dominant. No religion there.

He did it the name of evolution, which is obviously based in science. Hilter's actions were guided by scientific principles.

Ben? Ben Stein? Is that you, being silly again?

[Vazdania]

Hitler's action weren't in the name of religion or any religion in particular.

Yeah, they pretty much were. He was a Roman Catholic. He even reference his "Divine Creator" in Mein Kampf. He did use Christianity to justify his actions.

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean all their actions are guided by religion. Okay?. SOURCE!!!!!!

[Anachronous Rex]

No, it isn't. But the Muslims in Jerusalem hadn't declared war on Christianity. They hadn't done anything to provoke the current Pope at the time. And yes, you may defend the Crusades by saying it was the "Holy Land" they were fighting for, but fighting over pieces of land doesn't justify your actions. It didn't justify Hitler's actions.

Hitler's action weren't in the name of religion or any religion in particular.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." -Hitler.

[Vazdania]

He did it the name of evolution, which is obviously based in science. Hilter's actions were guided by scientific principles.

Ben? Ben Stein? Is that you, being silly again?

Me??/being compared to Ben Stein????? WHAT AN HONOR!!!!

[Blasveck]

you're right, if anything he thought the evolutionary gene of the aryan people was dominant. No religion there.

He did it the name of evolution, which is obviously based in science. Hilter's actions were guided by scientific principles.

Read Mein Kampf. He explicitly used religion to justify his actions against the Jews. He did it in the name of the Rhineland.

[Forster Keys]

you're right, if anything he thought the evolutionary gene of the aryan people was dominant. No religion there.

He did it the name of evolution, which is obviously based in science. Hilter's actions were guided by scientific principles.

That's why they went to Antarctica and the Himalayas in search for their magical lost master race.

[Blasveck]

Yeah, they pretty much were. He was a Roman Catholic. He even reference his "Divine Creator" in Mein Kampf. He did use Christianity to justify his actions.

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean all their actions are guided by religion. Okay?. SOURCE!!!!!!

Give me a minute. I'll give you your source.

[Anachronous Rex]

So it's impossible to murder if you're involved in a war?

ever heard of the Cold war?

Yes?

What, exactly, do you think I'm arguing?

Everyone knows the US funds terrorist groups. Make a point.

everyone knows? obviously not, if people are saying the US "doesnt start anything" wth

I said the Current Government's main problem is that it doesn't start things.

Are you just arguing for the sake of it?

[Asuiop]

There were good ones

Byzantine Empire, Ancient Israel, Old, middle, and New Kingdoms of Egypt, Vatican City

None of those were good. And Vatican City isn't good.

How where they not good?

The Byzantine empire spawned numerous beautful works of art, and didn't do anything particularly damning in its lifetime.

Israel was a good kingdom, which got beat up for much of its history.

The Kingdoms of Egypt weren't bad, other than the Old(Or was it middle?) which kept the Israelites slaves and built the pyramids using thousands of slaves.

What's so bad about Vatican City? It's not like they are massacring puppies.

[Forster Keys]

Hitler's action weren't in the name of religion or any religion in particular.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." -Hitler.

Hitler was a bit this way and a bit that way in regards to Christianity really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hit ... ious_views

[Slovenya]

Funny how Atheists always LOVE to blame religion for wars and problems in the world. Oh yea, because all Atheists are honest human beings, and non have used religion to justify their actions to a world with many religious groups. Great. Living in denial

[Vazdania]

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean all their actions are guided by religion. Okay?. SOURCE!!!!!!

Give me a minute. I'll give you your source.

Guided by evolutionary principles, one can only assume Hitler's actions we're guided by Scientific principles.

[Neo Rome Republic]

you still haven't addressed the whole ''fear of punishment'' as the religious too, can find a loophole for themselves.

rephrase that question please

(Of course Atheism wasn't the motivating force, it was power, power, power. People who don't even believe in religion use it for their own gain. Besides you can't say "I use Atheism to commit my crimes", you don't have to say anything, because an Atheist won't feel like he'll be punished in the afterlife for his crimes, so he's "free" to do that he wants.)

This above:
Is what you said, address it. I've stated that the religious too can find a way to justify themselves as ''God's chosen'' immune from punishment. As many have done in the past.

[Anachronous Rex]

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean all their actions are guided by religion. Okay?. SOURCE!!!!!!

Give me a minute. I'll give you your source.

Already done, just scroll up.

[Blasveck]

Funny how Atheists always LOVE to blame religion for wars and problems in the world. Oh yea, because all Atheists are honest human beings, and non have used religion to justify their actions to a world with many religious groups. Great. Living in denial

Don't start the whole "COMMUNISTS WERE ATHEISITS ATHEISM IS EVIL". It's pretty much false.

[Anachronous Rex]

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." -Hitler.

Hitler was a bit this way and a bit that way in regards to Christianity really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hit ... ious_views

Yeah, I know. I mean, first of all, you can scarcely be a German leader without being anti-clerical. And he certainly was that.

[Ainin]

Funny how Atheists always LOVE to blame religion for wars and problems in the world.

Yes, many (not all, of course) problems are caused by religion.

Oh yea, because all Atheists are honest human beings,

No one said that.

and non have used religion to justify their actions to a world with many religious groups. Great. Living in denial

Wut

[Vazdania]

Funny how Atheists always LOVE to blame religion for wars and problems in the world. Oh yea, because all Atheists are honest human beings, and non have used religion to justify their actions to a world with many religious groups. Great. Living in denial

Don't start the whole "COMMUNISTS WERE ATHEISITS ATHEISM IS EVIL". It's pretty much false.

The Irony in this!

[New Libertarian States]

None of those were good. And Vatican City isn't good.

How where they not good?

The Byzantine empire spawned numerous beautful works of art, and didn't do anything particularly damning in its lifetime.

Israel was a good kingdom, which got beat up for much of its history.

The Kingdoms of Egypt weren't bad, other than the Old(Or was it middle?) which kept the Israelites slaves and built the pyramids using thousands of slaves.

What's so bad about Vatican City? It's not like they are massacring puppies.

Egypt used well paid citizens to build the pyramids.

[4years]

None of those were good. And Vatican City isn't good.

That's a rather sweeping generalization, don't you think? Of course, that is the easier way.

Byzantine Empire: The throne was often occupied by utterly incompetent rulers, and political assassination was common, sometimes resulting in destructive, if brief, civil wars between competitors for the throne.

Ancient Israel: I will be lazy and just point the horrors in its sacred scriptures
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

Egypt: again we are talking slavery on a massive scale, absolute rule by the pharaoh

Vactian City: It gets all the flaws of Catholicism throughout since it was given to the church tacked on.

Simplistic? Yes, absurdly so.

[Blasveck]

Give me a minute. I'll give you your source.

Guided by evolutionary principles, one can only assume Hitler's actions we're guided by Scientific principles.

Yes, evolution, because he believed in the Aryan Race, and that they were from Altantis. Totally scientific.

[Anachronous Rex]

Funny how Atheists always LOVE to blame religion for wars and problems in the world. Oh yea, because all Atheists are honest human beings, and non have used religion to justify their actions to a world with many religious groups. Great. Living in denial

Strawmen are flammable, you should be careful.

[The Gaelic Kingdoms of Britain]

Nothing political, but the church should work as a charity and similar things as that, aside from being a place of worship.

[Slovenya]

Is what you said, address it. I've stated that the religious too can find a way to justify themselves as ''God's chosen'' immune from punishment. As many have done in the past.

right, so just as there are religious politicians who justify there actions through religion, you can have an Atheist who uses religion. Don't just assume all Atheists are peaceful and don't have evil agendas to gain power and wealth