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Church State in Public And in Private

Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:11 pm

I have created this thread for you to discuss your thoughts on religion and what it's role should be in a nations affairs.
What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:12 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote: What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?

None, what's your opinion?
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:13 pm

Keep it out of schools and science, and childrens' minds. If ya do that, you can preach all damn day.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:14 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote: What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?

None, what's your opinion?


Education: Not taught as fact or Sciencealthough the origins of a religion being taught in history and its impact is okay with me.
Existence of God is left unmentioned.
Public/Private: Shouldn't be promoted by the government or demoted by it. Private groups can advertise whatever they wish. religion or any faith should not be a job requirement
Government: Kept out of policy making. No faith or non-faith promoted or demoted.
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Postby 4years » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:15 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:I have created this thread for you to discuss your thoughts on religion and what it's role should be in a countries affairs.
What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?


Politcal and educational: No role whatsoever. Political because it would be unfair to all those not of the state religion and educational because people should be able to choose their religion and not be brainwashed into one.

Private/Public life: People can follow whatever religion they want. I am an atheist, so logically I think that following one is just a waste of time on energy, but whatever.
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Postby 4years » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:15 pm

Blasveck wrote:Keep it out of schools and science, and childrens' minds. If ya do that, you can preach all damn day.


Keep it out of government too.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 pm

It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.
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Postby Slovenya » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:17 pm

I think religion should be left out of politics, but religious communities should be able to govern themselves
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.


Some people (Including yourself as far as i know) want America to be a theocracy. Just because the people want it does not mean it is okay.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.

Then how do you support theocracy?
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:19 pm

Slovenya wrote:I think religion should be left out of politics, but religious communities should be able to govern themselves

And I think history demonstrates this to be a very bad idea.
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Postby Slovenya » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:20 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Slovenya wrote:I think religion should be left out of politics, but religious communities should be able to govern themselves

And I think history demonstrates this to be a very bad idea.


well then let me add to that and say people should be allowed to leave the community if it does not represent their own values and beliefs. Extreme practices should definately be outlawed though, like human sacrifices and other things
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Postby 4years » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:It should be as public as people want it to be. The state should have no opinion for or against any particular religion or religions.


I am going to have to demure there, the state should be definitively against religions that preach human sacrifice, for example.

Besides weren't you supporting theocracy at one point?
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Postby Radiatia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:23 pm

None whatsoever. If people want a religion they should keep it private. That said, religion - being a multi-billion dollar industry - should be paying its fair share of taxes, of course.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Radiatia wrote:None whatsoever. If people want a religion they should keep it private. That said, religion - being a multi-billion dollar industry - should be paying its fair share of taxes, of course.


Hell yeah!!! :clap:
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Postby Arkansaw » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Let Arkansas be as Christian as it wants to be and California to be as atheist.
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Postby Slovenya » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:25 pm

Arkansaw wrote:Let Arkansas be as Christian as it wants to be and California to be as atheist.


I agree with you, in fact I think some states should become independent states altogether
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:25 pm

Radiatia wrote:None whatsoever. If people want a religion they should keep it private. That said, religion - being a multi-billion dollar industry - should be paying its fair share of taxes, of course.


It doesn't pay taxes. AT ALL. They are 501c organizations. And that IS a good thing.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote: What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?
Absolutely none.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Radiatia wrote:None whatsoever. If people want a religion they should keep it private. That said, religion - being a multi-billion dollar industry - should be paying its fair share of taxes, of course.

SO you're against freedom of expression and speech on public property. Good to know.
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Postby Arkansaw » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Arkansaw wrote:Let Arkansas be as Christian as it wants to be and California to be as atheist.


I agree with you, in fact I think some states should become independent states altogether


Now that's a little far. Unless we can kick out Misery.
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Postby 4years » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:And I think history demonstrates this to be a very bad idea.


well then let me add to that and say people should be allowed to leave the community if it does not represent their own values and beliefs. Extreme practices should definately be outlawed though, like human sacrifices and other things


What about children born within the community? Don't they get an opportunity to educate themselves without religious brainwashing?
Plus it would mess with taxation, welfare, and law enforcement, among other things.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:And I think history demonstrates this to be a very bad idea.


well then let me add to that and say people should be allowed to leave the community if it does not represent their own values and beliefs. Extreme practices should definately be outlawed though, like human sacrifices and other things

Let me just clarify here: Ottoman religious autonomy was, for instance, infinitely preferable to Byzantine, "it's not okay, purge the heretic" policies.

However, every time this happens all it does is thrust a divide between the religious group and the larger society. It pointlessly Balkanizes the populace, and creates tension because the religious group inevitably always desires yet greater autonomy to deal with things their own way (the government, obviously wanting the opposite.)

It's a recipe for Sectarianism.
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Postby Asuiop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Arkansaw wrote:Let Arkansas be as Christian as it wants to be and California to be as atheist.


I agree with you, in fact I think some states should become independent states altogether

Like Texas. Texas is so different from the rest of the US, it might as well be an independent nation.

Religion should be as public as people want, as long as there is no "required" prayer in schools, I'm fine with it.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:27 pm

Ainin wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote: What role do you think religion should play in public life, private, political, educational and, why?
Absolutely none.

Why?
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