Are you rejected? Your IQ can drop with 25%!

[Hairless Kitten II]

I found an interesting article in a Belgian magazine and with a little help from my friend Google I could find an English equivalent:

Rejection can dramatically reduce a person's IQ and their ability to reason analytically, while increasing their aggression, according to new research.

"It's been known for a long time that rejected kids tend to be more violent and aggressive," says Roy Baumeister of the Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, who led the work. "But we've found that randomly assigning students to rejection experiences can lower their IQ scores and make them aggressive."

Baumeister's team used two separate procedures to investigate the effects of rejection. In the first, a group of strangers met, got to know each other, and then separated. Each individual was asked to list which two other people they would like to work with on a task. They were then told they had been chosen by none or all of the others.

In the second, people taking a personality test were given false feedback, telling them they would end up alone in life or surrounded by friends and family.

Aggression scores increased in the rejected groups. But the IQ scores also immediately dropped by about 25 per cent, and their analytical reasoning scores dropped by 30 per cent.

"These are very big effects - the biggest I've got in 25 years of research," says Baumeister. "This tells us a lot about human nature. People really seem designed to get along with others, and when you're excluded, this has significant effects."

Baumeister thinks rejection interferes with a person's self-control. "To live in society, people have to have an inner mechanism that regulates their behaviour. Rejection defeats the purpose of this, and people become impulsive and self-destructive. You have to use self-control to analyse a problem in an IQ test, for example - and instead, you behave impulsively."

Baumeister presented his results at the annual conference of the British Psychological Society in Blackpool, Lancashire, UK.

Link:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... es-iq.html

While IQ has not much to do with intelligence, it's clear that cognitive processes can interfere with emotions.

It's a little sad that the article isn't telling how long the instability could last.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

*looks at the Republican Party*

Hmm...

[The Norse Hordes]

*looks at the Republican Party*

Hmm...

[Tokos]

IQ does have to do with intelligence. But it is a correlation not necessarily a cause.

Anyway, it makes sense that the sudden "Oh fuck, what's wrong with me, is this going to last forever, how do they all see me, do I smell or something, what did I say" deluge would shove reason to one side and anxiety is associated with aggression.

[Uawc]

*looks at the Republican Party*

Hmm...

That made me lol.

OT: Does this mean we must all rush into a romantic relationship? I was enjoying my solitude.

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

[Vittos Ordination]

*looks at the Republican Party*

Hmm...

Especially the closeted gay ones. This would explain why they are often the worst. They have even been subject to self-rejection all these years.

[Lord-General Drache]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

This was pretty much my reaction. As someone studying to be a psychologist, it pains me utterly to see these tests misused constantly. Your IQ usually doesn't drop, barring heavy drug use, traumatic brain injury or something similar. If it dropped every time someone experienced serious rejection, we'd all be screwed, unless it's implying it's temporary. Regardless, it's poor science at best. I'd like to see what sort of correlation value they found for this data, and more information on the study itself.

Also, there're a LOT of neurotransmitters released during good and bad emotions, often the same ones. They don't necessarily interfere with logical processes, so I think it's a bit cheap to blame poor decisions on being upset. You can make decent decisions while upset, it's just that you're very focused on how you're feeling.

[JarVik]

Cool,

I've always thought my stupid levels, and certainly my inclination towards anger increases after difficulties with others. Nice to know its not just me.

[ChengISao]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

Don't they simply call this peer pressure?

[Aelosia]

I'm pretty sure most of Beethoven's work wouldn't be the same if he was easily accepted by women and his peers. Actually, it would be alike to that Mozart or Haydn crap. And Beethoven, well, he should figure in the dictionary under the term "rejected". Not the only case, although, but the easiest to see.

So, well, I don't know, sometimes you need to reject to create a genius.

[Angleter]

Well I think that this sudden drop in IQ due to failure comes from an inability to accept failure that has bred from over-acceptance and patronisation during early childhood.

If parents start from a young age in pointing out how one could do better and giving their child constructive criticism then they will, in future, learn to accept failure, take it in their stride and build on it, instead of becoming depressed, angry, violent and thick.

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

Well I think that this sudden drop in IQ due to failure comes from an inability to accept failure that has bred from over-acceptance and patronisation during early childhood.

If parents start from a young age in pointing out how one could do better and giving their child constructive criticism then they will, in future, learn to accept failure, take it in their stride and build on it, instead of becoming depressed, angry, violent and thick.

With some limits. There has to be balance in criticism and praise. Otherwise, the kid is going to think he/she can do nothing right and that's as bad as thinking you can do nothing wrong.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Oh my god, so that means I need to always be successful and never fail to keep my IQ intact, then.

[Dinaverg]

I can imagine it. 'Which shape comes next in the sequence? Fuck it, no one likes me anyways, *picks at random* the circle with two triangles in the top right.'

[Call to power]

I reject this evidence on account of it being stupid

[Hairless Kitten II]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

This was pretty much my reaction. As someone studying to be a psychologist, it pains me utterly to see these tests misused constantly. Your IQ usually doesn't drop, barring heavy drug use, traumatic brain injury or something similar.

Nonsense. As someone studying psychology you should know that even hard noise during the test could influence your IQ result a lot.

In short: you need cognitive resources to solve an IQ test. Anything, like noise or emotions can go in competition with the task of solving an IQ test and thus interfere the result. You really don't need a brain damage or you don't have to be a hard drug user to score lower on IQ tests as usual.

[Greed and Death]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

This was pretty much my reaction. As someone studying to be a psychologist, it pains me utterly to see these tests misused constantly. Your IQ usually doesn't drop, barring heavy drug use, traumatic brain injury or something similar.

Nonsense. As someone studying psychology you should know that even hard noise during the test could influence your IQ result a lot.

In short: you need cognitive resources to solve an IQ test. Anything, like noise or emotions can go in competition with the task of solving an IQ test and thus interfere the result. You really don't need a brain damage or you don't have to be a hard drug user to score lower on IQ tests as usual.

Your IQ or your IQ test results ?
distraction just means part of your brain is trying to figure out what that distraction is.
Not that your dumber.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence," I can see where this would be valid. Rejection creates an emotional response, emotions cloud judgement which, in turn, leads to bad decisions and poor problem solving behaviors. The chemical released by the negative emotions can impair concentration and logical process.

The whole rejection-acceptance scenario is applicable in many areas - for instance, why do women stay with abusers - because the abusers don't reject them. Why do teens get in with bad crowds - the bad crowds don't reject them.

A whole plethora of stupid decisions can be made out of fear of rejection, never mind the decisions that follow actual rejection.

This was pretty much my reaction. As someone studying to be a psychologist, it pains me utterly to see these tests misused constantly. Your IQ usually doesn't drop, barring heavy drug use, traumatic brain injury or something similar.

Nonsense. As someone studying psychology you should know that even hard noise during the test could influence your IQ result a lot.

In short: you need cognitive resources to solve an IQ test. Anything, like noise or emotions can go in competition with the task of solving an IQ test and thus interfere the result. You really don't need a brain damage or you don't have to be a hard drug user to score lower on IQ tests as usual.

Your IQ or your IQ test results ?
distraction just means part of your brain is trying to figure out what that distraction is.
Not that your dumber.

Greed and death,

This is not your first day on this forum. So, I suppose you're aware that I'm the last to connect intelligence with IQ test results. That doesn't mean that IQ tests can't be useful or have no worth. Only they have not much worth when we try to define the very complicated concept 'intelligence'.

Of course your intelligence doesn't go down. Let us state, that your processing capacities are temporally lowered when other tasks (like emotions, noise, general distraction, not enough sleep, etc...) go in competition with the tasks of solving an IQ test, but also with ANY test.

Hell, even eating McDonalds food an entire week will have influence on your IQ test.

[Rentalia]

Well it is not a news than most incarcered were high rejected children and most of them subish violence in their childhood....male victims of male to male rape on childhood are nine times more likely to be rapist

most of prisoners come to historically discriminated minority

about rejection and IQ there were an old test done on animal where a shy weak omega animal were put in cage with a group of strong ultra-aggressive alpha male for a long period...violence after violence the shy weak omega animal became to shy and nervous that ,even when put in a isolated cage full of food and water, he basically struggle to do ever the most trivial stuff like feed himself or walk straight

[Lord-General Drache]

Hairless,

Actually, social psychology studies have shown that distractions during tests don't seem to significantly impact performance.

Emotions or stress may impact test scores, but if I remember the studies right, they are not as significant as you might think.

As you said, though, IQ test scores are not meant to indicate intelligence, but they are meant to assess learning disorders.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Well it is not a news than most incarcered were high rejected children and most of them subish violence in their childhood....male victims of male to male rape on childhood are nine times more likely to be rapist

most of prisoners come to historically discriminated minority

about rejection and IQ there were an old test done on animal where a shy weak omega animal were put in cage with a group of strong ultra-aggressive alpha male for a long period...violence after violence the shy weak omega animal became to shy and nervous that ,even when put in a isolated cage full of food and water, he basically struggle to do ever the most trivial stuff like feed himself or walk straight

that's fucked up.

[Conservative Ad Droid]

*looks at the Republican Democratic Party*

Hmm...

Intriguing point.

[Araraukar]

*looks at the Republican Party*
Hmm...

That made me lol.

It also made me snicker.

I've been dumped once and I've dumped someone else once. Does that mean it's evened out?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Since IQ tests are really tests of problem solving abilities rather than actual "intelligence,"

Problem solving abilities aren't an enormous, if not all encompassing part of intelligence?