Misogynistic porn

[IshCong]

1: Your post did not use the word 'negligible'.
2: 50 Shades of Gray amounts to pretty much the same thing. I wouldn't call that negligible.

One book. One. Compared to the millions of other bits of porn out there. Yeah, that's pretty damn negligible.

70 million copies isn't negligible.
And it's not the only book. I walk past whole shelves of female-focused ero-lit every time I walk into the local CVS. You know, the pharmacy, not the book-store.

[Occupied Deutschland]

1: Your post did not use the word 'negligible'.
2: 50 Shades of Gray amounts to pretty much the same thing. I wouldn't call that negligible.

One book. One. Compared to the millions of other bits of porn out there. Yeah, that's pretty damn negligible.

Anecdotally I could quickly say that almost ALL erotic fiction that actually gets published tends toward female-focused. I don't know how true that is so.

Although honestly, now I'm kind of curious (in a PURELY academic way...shutup) about the actual numbers of erotica marketed towards women and visual porn marketed towards women.

Do vaginas just make you automatically better at imagining things?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I have seen it, not particularly turned on by it when it seeks to play out degradation of women.

I do admit some things are fucked up out there in terms of pornographic media, and it should be a bit reformed in my opinion, but hey, there's something for everyone out there. Some women like to see those fantasies played out.

I mean, I wouldn't like to have my dick sucked, but the fantasy is there and I like to see it being played out. Doesn't mean I would enjoy it though, same thing with these played out "fantasies" (I say played out for a reason, because they are not REAL events).

How reformed though? Are we going to start putting restrictions on what sort of porn can be made using consenting adults while porn itself remains legal?

In Scandinavia clients and pimps of prostitutes may be arrested, while prostitutes themselves are not.

My approach to this problem would be a slighter way of punishment against consumers, producers and actors.

A good thing would have their money donated for feminist community causes, or that they invest their time in gay porn and sell it including their names. It wouldn't even be hard as some famous names of degrading porn are closeted bi guys, and would make biased consumers frustrated with this kind of content by the propaganda it would generate.

[The Parkus Empire]

That was kind of my point though. A blanket statement like that avoids mention of porn meant for consumption by women.

It's the exception rather than the rule, just like prostitution for women.

And while the video of a porno aimed at men obviously can't change once it is made, it's not like a woman can't watch it and still derive pleasure from it. And she probably won't be using the men on-screen as a vicarious incarnation.

She might. I don't know what your point is.

[Jagalonia]

This discussion was threadjacking the niceguy thread, so I brought it here.

Can porn be misogynistic or unhealthy? We go live, to NSG, to find out.

Now PORN is misogynistic?

What's next, pole jumping is misogynistic because it gives the idea that men's member are a sign of vertical superiority and hence it is oppressive and it must therefore be banned from any and all olympic events?!

Because this is, really, what this whole pointing fingers at shit and categorizing it as either misogynistic or not has come down to.

Neither porn nor prostitution is inherently misogynistic. We're talking about misogynistic porn. Porn that degrades women. It's not irregular.

Thanks to rule 34, there's no such thing as irregular porn.

[IshCong]

1: Your post did not use the word 'negligible'.
2: 50 Shades of Gray amounts to pretty much the same thing. I wouldn't call that negligible.

It's erotica. Not the same thing, since erotica targets women far more and doesn't involve actresses.

It's intended for the same basic purpose.
If erotica is female focused and porn (which apparently can't include erotica) is male focused, why are we only examining half the issue?

[Myrensis]

I prefer misanthropic porn. Two people sitting in a room staring at each other with loathing. bow chicka wow wow.

[Hathradic States]

It can be, but everything can be misogynistic if you think about it too hard.

[IshCong]

Sexual slavery and the porn industry are two very different things. I mean, I'm all for preventing people from being forced into porn, but if they're doing that job willingly, I find it more difficult to say that they can make porn but not some specific kind of porn.

I agree with that. I wasn't contesting that as much as the fact that there is some fucked up shit that goes on in other countries where porn is not seen kindly upon, and the porn industry remains unregulated (almost to the point of being an underground market) in said countries to the point of seeing women forced into it.

Which I can agree is absolutely terrible and should be rectified.

But a consenting individual doing porn is still an individual doing porn, and we have to remember that outside of that video that we (more than likely) masturbate to, they still remain real people and they are probably respected as such.

Of course.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You kidding? There's loads of porn directed toward specifically women. Hell, there are entire websites devoted toward porn for women.

I watch quite a bit of porn, and I haven't seen any.

You aren't trying very hard. It's extremely easy to find.

Then again, you probably watch mostly lesbian porn or porn where the woman is in focus, due to your sexual preferences.

Hell, just Google something like "Hot dudes banging" or something similar, or go to Literotica or something. Very easy to find.

[The Parkus Empire]

One book. One. Compared to the millions of other bits of porn out there. Yeah, that's pretty damn negligible.

Anecdotally I could quickly say that almost ALL erotic fiction that actually gets published tends toward female-focused. I don't know how true that is so.

Although honestly, now I'm kind of curious (in a PURELY academic way...shutup) about the actual numbers of erotica marketed towards women and visual porn marketed towards women.

Do vaginas just make you automatically better at imagining things?

That's because a woman can be a writer a lot easier than a porn director, which means women are going to be able to relate to erotica easier because it isn't intended solely to please guys in ways that tend to be turn offs for women.

[Socialist Austrian Empire]

-implying that only men watch porn.

Stupid perverted men who always want sex and will fuck anything but fat chicks and each other. Also, female masturbation doesn't happen and the female orgasm doesn't exist.

I am going to ask. Were you joking or are you just from Kansas? Because that's the biggest pile of $#!* I have heard in a long while. You have officially lowered my standards for intelligence I would expect in a person.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Another thing, apparently the porn industry is kinda racist.
Inter-racial porn is considered to be 'extreme'.

More racist against Asian and Latino men (especially the whiter, cute-faced Latinos) than against black men, I'd say.

They're seen as animalesque sexy (albeit I don't deny it is objetifying). We, emasculated.

You <s>won't</s> WILL get less of this stereotype in gay and bi porn though. But then I think it sells less because of the consumers. Gays tend to feel attracted to whiter guys.

[Warda]

I watch quite a bit of porn, and I haven't seen any.

You aren't trying very hard. It's extremely easy to find.

Then again, you probably watch mostly lesbian porn or porn where the woman is in focus, due to your sexual preferences.

Hell, just Google something like "Hot dudes banging" or something similar, or go to Literotica or something. Very easy to find.

do you have something you want to share?

[IshCong]

One book. One. Compared to the millions of other bits of porn out there. Yeah, that's pretty damn negligible.

Anecdotally I could quickly say that almost ALL erotic fiction that actually gets published tends toward female-focused. I don't know how true that is so.

Although honestly, now I'm kind of curious (in a PURELY academic way...shutup) about the actual numbers of erotica marketed towards women and visual porn marketed towards women.

Do vaginas just make you automatically better at imagining things?

I suspect, suspect, that it is because women "aren't supposed to view porn", pornographic videos tend to focus more towards men, etc, and so women took to erotic literature as their release.
I also suspect that as society gradually gets its collective head a little more together we'll see more ero-lit for men and more pornographic videos for women, though both of those exist today.

[Sommorragh]

The only misogynist part of porn is that almost the entirety of it is made exclusively for men. Even gay porn is made more for gay men than it is for women. It's misogynistic because of its marketing and demographics, not because of any inherent property or state of being.

That's not misogyny, it's logic. If you're audience is mostly male, then you're going to create content that they enjoy, maximizing profit. If the majority of your viewer base is female, then the majority of your content will be aimed at them. Similarly, if a niche were profitable, it would be exploited (which many are). Misogyny would imply a hatred towards women. What I have described is not misogyny - the choices made by porn companies, advertising companies and the like, was done so using logical thought.

Does that mean that these companies or individuals within them dodn't hold misogynistic views? I don't know. However, what you're saying is completely insane.

Just one last thing: if you really think that "Even gay porn is made more for gay men than it is for women," I have news for you.

[Aurora Novus]

I'm really not seeing the point of this topic. What are we even discussing? Whether or not porn is misogynistic? Whether or not it contains dark elements to it? Whether or not it should be changed or banned?

What's the primary goal of the topic? What are the opposing sides? It seems that a bunch of people are just arguing about...nothing.

[The Parkus Empire]

It can be, but everything can be misogynistic if you think about it too hard.

Mmmno.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Some do, some don't. Like any other job. But you're not going to be stripping one day and then told by the proprietor, "Okay, now take three dicks up your pooper," and then your job becoming dependent on you doing that.

I'm rather skeptical of how much that happens. Maybe back in the 60s-70s (80s?) when porn was still heavily dominated by an underclass.

I will admit, I am not knowledgeable on the extent of power pornstars have in their contracts. With all the companies I would assume a lot, but I really don't know.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'm really not seeing the point of this topic. What are we even discussing? Whether or not porn is misogynistic? Whether or not it contains dark elements to it? Whether or not it should be changed or banned?

What's the primary goal of the topic? What are the opposing sides? It seems that a bunch of people are just arguing about...nothing.

Whether or not the industry tends toward misogyny.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

One book. One. Compared to the millions of other bits of porn out there. Yeah, that's pretty damn negligible.

70 million copies isn't negligible.
And it's not the only book. I walk past whole shelves of female-focused ero-lit every time I walk into the local CVS. You know, the pharmacy, not the book-store.

I've unfortunately seen a shitload of Twilight porn which is very frankly for a female audience.

This was before Google Safesearch and one day when I was curious about just what Twilight was.

Actually, most vampire porn is for females.

[Hathradic States]

It can be, but everything can be misogynistic if you think about it too hard.

Mmmno.

Mmmmja. It might take effort, but the right (or wrong, depending on how you look at it) mind can make anything seem whatever it wishes.

[IshCong]

That was kind of my point though. A blanket statement like that avoids mention of porn meant for consumption by women.

It's the exception rather than the rule, just like prostitution for women.

And while the video of a porno aimed at men obviously can't change once it is made, it's not like a woman can't watch it and still derive pleasure from it. And she probably won't be using the men on-screen as a vicarious incarnation.

She might. I don't know what your point is.

My point is that the notion that the men in porn are all vicarious incarnations of the viewer is patently absurd.

[New haven america]

It can be, but everything can be misogynistic if you think about it too hard.

True

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You aren't trying very hard. It's extremely easy to find.

Then again, you probably watch mostly lesbian porn or porn where the woman is in focus, due to your sexual preferences.

Hell, just Google something like "Hot dudes banging" or something similar, or go to Literotica or something. Very easy to find.

do you have something you want to share?

Nope- just arguing the point that porn isn't completely male-centric.