Misogynistic porn

[IshCong]

I think it depends on who the porn is directed at. If it is a MFF threesome directed at men, the women tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other in my experience. If it is a MMF threesome directed at men, the men don't tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other.

But, if it is a MMF threesome directed at women, then the men tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other, whereas the women in a MFF threesome don't.

The above is all anecdotal though...

For some reason, heterosexuals seem to like watching homosexual activity by the opposite sex.

Pretty sure it is anecdotal. Even my female friends who like romance-focused yaoi are freaked out watching gay porn. Bisexual female friends, the same.

Yeah, I figured as much. Human sexuality is rather complex after all.

But I was asking why in real life a bit of manlove wouldn't happen. It should be 3 people having sex, why would a guy want a trio for the woman to have two guys if he will still be with solely a single person?

Even in my gayest phases (sometimes I'm a 50/50, at others I feel like being panromantic homosexual) I don't quite get monosexuality. >_>

Speaking for myself, watching MMF threesomes can be...arousing, but I don't think it is something I'd like to do in reality. One of many things I like in porn but not in reality.

Why I like it depends on the moment. Some of the time it is simply a desire to see both anal and vaginal sex at the same time. One obvious way to get both at once is DP. Other times I like to imagine it is more pleasurable for the woman. Other times it's something else.

[Tubbsalot]

It's not gay when it's in a three-way. With a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

If it's not gay then everything should be free, sure? And if women are represented as almost always getting sexual with each other in a threesome... in fraught 21st century, so should males.

Well, there are threesomes with males who interact. I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple of examples, despite actively avoiding them.

Pretty sure it is anecdotal. Even my female friends who like romance-focused yaoi are freaked out watching gay porn.

Er, what? Gay porn is really popular among women. As you would expect, since hetero women are attracted to men.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

What? Xvideos has tags, one of which is 'gay', along with dozens of other iterations of specific gay activities. Xtube apparently lets you filter videos by your sex and what sex(es) you're interested in.
Which only makes sense, it makes the relevant porn more accessible without having to sift through a bunch of stuff you don't like. Especially if stuff you don't like kills your sex drive.

2 - The fact that sexual orientation is biological, there is a lot of reasons for American LGBTs not coming out, and that in other places the number approaches fourfold from your official figures shows we are underestimated. It is not just anedoctal evidence, I was just saying that we are a lot more tolerant with sexuality and indeed score high in socially liberal values to the 'right to private life' question, at least in my experience and that of Brazilians from elsewhere who comment our particular society/culture.

You know what, this is getting off topic. Forget it.

1 - EXACTLY. They have a tag. A SINGLE FUCKING TAG. It means that it is hard as fuck to access content in the niches I like, because to their mentality, just 'gay' is a niche, and one of the few niches that are not soluble whatsoever with any other (most of them related to homosexuality as well).

Compare it with xhamster and you see how they couldn't care less. And in xhamster, I see that up to 30-40% of male accounts are just like me, they enjoy both gay and straight pornography. There are straights who find it desirable to find actors who like both women and twinks. This is the real acessment of the mind of your average online pervs.

2 - Ok, drop the discussion. But I still want to ask, do you seriously believe gay and bi guys are just 5% of the American male population? Well, I can tell this isn't the case in Brazil, as a single pride parade in São Paulo accounted for 4 million people in it, and we having one in pretty much all of our cities with a population of 50.000 or more in Central-Southern Brazil and 200.000 or more in Amazonic and Northeastern Brazil says a lot.

[Aurora Novus]

Women being degraded is what makes a porno a porno what

Women being degraded is what makes that specific porno a porno. Just like a a movie following the stry of some superhero in a fictional universe is what makes that movie, a movie.

For you to call the main point of a particular porno/film, in essence, bullshit they just tacked on, is astoundingly absurd.

I said no such thing. I said that there's no reason to assume that the degradation of women will interfere with someone getting off who isn't in to that.

When porno focuses on the degradation of a woman, and someone does not find that sexually arousing, they are not going to sit there and beat off to it, because they don't find it arousing.

For you to sit there and claim they would try and beat off to it is implying you think human beings just whimsically choose what they will masturbate to, and find sexually appealing. It's utter nonsense.

If someone finds porn they don't like, this might shock you but, they're going to look at it, not find it arousing, and move on to find something that is arousing.

I'm saying misogynistic porn harms perception of women, yes.

Except it doesn't. No more than watching men and women being dehumanized to the status of a food source and mercilessly slaughtered in droves harms my perception of human beings.

You have absolutely no evidence for your claim, and the billions of people who watch "misogynistic" porn, and aren't asshole to women, prove your statement to be horseshit.

Then they shouldn't do it.

...

One individual does not make a trend bullshit.

No.

The lack of a trend, makes the claim that the trend exists, bullshit. And the existence of people like myself only further proves it's lack of evidential weight.

People are influenced by media.

You have a long way to go from "people are influenced by media" to "people are compelled by media to like bad things, and engage in negative actions".

Again, people quite readily have the capability to differentiate between fantasy, and reality.

So, you can drop the strawman whenever you feel like it.

That doesn't mean that a video of what turns them on won't include verbal abuse and shit like that, even if that's not what they're looking for.

True, it doesn't. But that doesn't mean they're going to like that stuff, simply because it's also part of what they are watching. And in fact, they may be inclined to stop watching what they are watching, if they don't like it enough. I know that's happened to me before. In particular, vore porn often also includes crush and/or scat porn. Sometimes I deal with it, sometimes I'm too repulsed, and look for something new.

Never in all my years have I ever even begun to like either of them.

Once again, I am living proof that your claim is bullshit. As are billions of others.

You have no evidence for your position, and there is an ever-surmounting pile of evidence against it.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

If it's not gay then everything should be free, sure? And if women are represented as almost always getting sexual with each other in a threesome... in fraught 21st century, so should males.

Well, there are threesomes with males who interact. I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple of examples, despite actively avoiding them.

Pretty sure it is anecdotal. Even my female friends who like romance-focused yaoi are freaked out watching gay porn.

Er, what? Gay porn is really popular among women. As you would expect, since hetero women are attracted to men.

1 - Why this doesn't happen to me? MMF bi porn isn't as arousing as MMF straight porn, for some weird reason the fact that they don't give a damn about their macho reputation seems to proportionally makes them less attractive and bossy, I would love to see the attractive and bossy straight actors playing with each other at least a bit. Or some sexy looks.

2 - Never came across them. But then I don't know a lot of woman who don't like pornography, as would be expected for Brazil, where woman haet porn and get mad if their boyfriends or husbands watch it (the media is always trying to de-construct this since sex started to be less of a taboo since around 2005, with little effect).

Come to think of it, I don't have a single foreign female friend.

[Aurora Novus]

Fix'd for you.

Don't fucking do that shit to my fucking post you brilliant, brilliant, hunk of man you.

Oh my. Looks like I've gotten under someone's skin~

I'll do whatever I please to your posts. You hold no power over me boy. You'd do well to learn your place.


Repent, and I may yet show mercy.

And no, it fucking well did not.

Except, it did. After all, the porn industry did not invent the rape fetish.

Oh wait, I forgot. That's exactly what you believe. And then they went on to brainwash people into liking it to boot.

[IshCong]

What? Xvideos has tags, one of which is 'gay', along with dozens of other iterations of specific gay activities. Xtube apparently lets you filter videos by your sex and what sex(es) you're interested in.
Which only makes sense, it makes the relevant porn more accessible without having to sift through a bunch of stuff you don't like. Especially if stuff you don't like kills your sex drive.



You know what, this is getting off topic. Forget it.

1 - EXACTLY. They have a tag. A SINGLE FUCKING TAG. It means that it is hard as fuck to access content in the niches I like, because to their mentality, just 'gay' is a niche, and one of the few niches that are not soluble whatsoever with any other (most of them related to homosexuality as well).

No. I was going to count how many of their tags start with 'gay', but honestly, there's too many. There's dozens there. Well over two hundred tags starting with 'gay'. Not "A SINGLE FUCKING TAG" by any means.
Homosexuality, like it or not, is a niche by virtue of a drastic minority of the population being homosexual. If you want as much porn as heterosexuals, first you have to increase in number to reach parity with heterosexuals.
There is plenty of porn with homosexuality added on to some other common fetish.

Compare it with xhamster and you see how they couldn't care less. And in xhamster, I see that up to 30-40% of male accounts are just like me, they enjoy both gay and straight pornography. There are straights who find it desirable to find actors who like both women and twinks. This is the real acessment of the mind of your average online pervs.

2 - Ok, drop the discussion. But I still want to ask, do you seriously believe gay and bi guys are just 5% of the American male population? Well, I can tell this isn't the case in Brazil, as a single pride parade in São Paulo accounted for 4 million people in it, and we having one in pretty much all of our cities with a population of 50.000 or more in Central-Southern Brazil and 200.000 or more in Amazonic and Northeastern Brazil says a lot.

Somewhere around there, yes because that's what the research seems to indicate and I care little for your anecdotes when considering statistics. Come up with a bunch of contradictory research and you may start swaying me.

[The Parkus Empire]

Oh my. Looks like I've gotten under someone's skin~

I'll do whatever I please to your posts. You hold no power over me boy. You'd do well to learn your place.


Repent, and I may yet show mercy.

We're done. I'm not debating with someone who's blatantly trying to piss me off.

[IshCong]

Well, there are threesomes with males who interact. I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple of examples, despite actively avoiding them.


Er, what? Gay porn is really popular among women. As you would expect, since hetero women are attracted to men.

1 - Why this doesn't happen to me? MMF bi porn isn't as arousing as MMF straight porn, for some weird reason the fact that they don't give a damn about their macho reputation seems to proportionally makes them less attractive and bossy, I would love to see the attractive and bossy straight actors playing with each other at least a bit. Or some sexy looks.

2 - Never came across them. But then I don't know a lot of woman who don't like pornography, as would be expected for Brazil, where woman haet porn and get mad if their boyfriends or husbands watch it (the media is always trying to de-construct this since sex started to be less of a taboo since around 2005, with little effect).

Come to think of it, I don't have a single foreign female friend.

You've never came across a woman who likes porn with gay men? Really?
Most of my female friends (that I've talked about sex with) seem to like it a lot. And then, of course, there's just the yaoi niche. That speaks volumes about women liking porn with gay men.

[Aurora Novus]

Oh my. Looks like I've gotten under someone's skin~

I'll do whatever I please to your posts. You hold no power over me boy. You'd do well to learn your place.


Repent, and I may yet show mercy.

We're done. I'm not debating with someone who's blatantly trying to piss me off.

To be fair, I wasn't blatantly trying to piss you off. I had no clue that the original post would irritate you (seriously, who gets bothered by that?), and my response was to point out the absurdity of your offense.

I also have issues with authority, and don't appreciate little no-name whiners acting like they have power over me. You will quickly find it is quite the opposite.

But, in any case, run away, run away. And take your nonsensical ideas about human sexuality with you.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

1 - Why this doesn't happen to me? MMF bi porn isn't as arousing as MMF straight porn, for some weird reason the fact that they don't give a damn about their macho reputation seems to proportionally makes them less attractive and bossy, I would love to see the attractive and bossy straight actors playing with each other at least a bit. Or some sexy looks.

2 - Never came across them. But then I don't know a lot of woman who don't like pornography, as would be expected for Brazil, where woman haet porn and get mad if their boyfriends or husbands watch it (the media is always trying to de-construct this since sex started to be less of a taboo since around 2005, with little effect).

Come to think of it, I don't have a single foreign female friend.

You've never came across a woman who likes porn with gay men? Really?
Most of my female friends (that I've talked about sex with) seem to like it a lot. And then, of course, there's just the yaoi niche. That speaks volumes about women liking porn with gay men.

With real men buttfucking each other? Only one of them likes it more than straight porn, but she prefers romantic-focused yaoi a zillion times. Another friend likes pornographic yaoi significantly, but not real men.

All others find it weird, very weird, freaking or creepy.

[IshCong]

You've never came across a woman who likes porn with gay men? Really?
Most of my female friends (that I've talked about sex with) seem to like it a lot. And then, of course, there's just the yaoi niche. That speaks volumes about women liking porn with gay men.

With real men buttfucking each other? Only one of them likes it more than straight porn, but she prefers romantic-focused yaoi a zillion times. Another friend likes pornographic yaoi significantly, but not real men.

All others find it weird, very weird, freaking or creepy.

Yeah, with exactly that sort of activity.
I find it interesting that the girls you know don't like that, but then, maybe it's just a culture thing.

[The Parkus Empire]

We're done. I'm not debating with someone who's blatantly trying to piss me off.

To be fair, I wasn't blatantly trying to piss you off. I had no clue that the original post would irritate you (seriously, who gets bothered by that?), and my response was to point out the absurdity of your offense.

I also have issues with authority, and don't appreciate little no-name whiners acting like they have power over me. You will quickly find it is quite the opposite.

But, in any case, run away, run away. And take your nonsensical ideas about human sexuality with you.

I'm not threatening you with the rules or trying to act like I have power over you. I don't even care about the rules, I care that you were fucking disrespectful. And you're still doing it by calling me a whiner. That you cannot refrain from stupid shit like post editing and name calling, is why I ain't fucking with you.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

1 - EXACTLY. They have a tag. A SINGLE FUCKING TAG. It means that it is hard as fuck to access content in the niches I like, because to their mentality, just 'gay' is a niche, and one of the few niches that are not soluble whatsoever with any other (most of them related to homosexuality as well).

No. I was going to count how many of their tags start with 'gay', but honestly, there's too many. There's dozens there. Well over two hundred tags starting with 'gay'. Not "A SINGLE FUCKING TAG" by any means.
Homosexuality, like it or not, is a niche by virtue of a drastic minority of the population being homosexual. If you want as much porn as heterosexuals, first you have to increase in number to reach parity with heterosexuals.
There is plenty of porn with homosexuality added on to some other common fetish.

Compare it with xhamster and you see how they couldn't care less. And in xhamster, I see that up to 30-40% of male accounts are just like me, they enjoy both gay and straight pornography. There are straights who find it desirable to find actors who like both women and twinks. This is the real acessment of the mind of your average online pervs.

2 - Ok, drop the discussion. But I still want to ask, do you seriously believe gay and bi guys are just 5% of the American male population? Well, I can tell this isn't the case in Brazil, as a single pride parade in São Paulo accounted for 4 million people in it, and we having one in pretty much all of our cities with a population of 50.000 or more in Central-Southern Brazil and 200.000 or more in Amazonic and Northeastern Brazil says a lot.

Somewhere around there, yes because that's what the research seems to indicate and I care little for your anecdotes when considering statistics. Come up with a bunch of contradictory research and you may start swaying me.

1 - They are not the sufficient. People often put it with hyphens, and it breaks the tag (at least for all PCs I ever used). And they have a very minimal count.

And the videos I like most times are tagged just with 'gay', exactly because it is dumb to not have gay as a section full with the same tag division as the straight male-focused one in itself. It will not be tagged. To find nice videos, I first need to find users with nice tastes, and then watch the videos they liked.

2 - Care little for my anecdotes despite knowing that people lie a lot about sexuality specially when asked about this by strangers, or even better, people they know?

You are in Wikipedia, right? Only a source may be true, even when it goes against common sense. tsk tsk

[IshCong]

May I humbly suggest Parkus and Aurora both be a bit careful with what they're saying before one says something they may regret?
Maybe take a short break?

[The Parkus Empire]

May I humbly suggest Parkus and Aurora both be a bit careful with what they're saying before one says something they may regret?
Maybe take a short break?

The diplomat.

[Magna Libero]

Not all porn is misogynistic. Only a part of it, I guess.
I think it is degrading, looks like rape, if let's say 3(could be 1 to infinite) aggressive guys are having sex with a woman. I mean the way they do it, they make the woman look like an object.

[IshCong]

No. I was going to count how many of their tags start with 'gay', but honestly, there's too many. There's dozens there. Well over two hundred tags starting with 'gay'. Not "A SINGLE FUCKING TAG" by any means.
Homosexuality, like it or not, is a niche by virtue of a drastic minority of the population being homosexual. If you want as much porn as heterosexuals, first you have to increase in number to reach parity with heterosexuals.
There is plenty of porn with homosexuality added on to some other common fetish.




Somewhere around there, yes because that's what the research seems to indicate and I care little for your anecdotes when considering statistics. Come up with a bunch of contradictory research and you may start swaying me.

1 - They are not the sufficient. People often put it with hyphens, and it breaks the tag (at least for all PCs I ever used). And they have a very minimal count.

And the videos I like most times are tagged just with 'gay', exactly because it is dumb to not have gay as a section full with the same tag division as the straight male-focused one in itself. It will not be tagged. To find nice videos, I first need to find users with nice tastes, and then watch the videos they liked.

There were thousands upon thousands of videos (I think 300k under the 'gay' tag alone, but I was skimming and could be wrong) in hundreds of tags. I don't know what you define as a 'minimal count', but that sounds like a lot of porn to me.

It still sounds like the problem is simply the result of there being fewer homosexual men than heterosexual men and that simple fact driving how things are sorted. It's not discriminatory, that's just the way things are at present.

2 - Care little for my anecdotes despite knowing that people lie a lot about sexuality specially when asked about this by strangers, or even better, people they know?

You are in Wikipedia, right? Only a source may be true, even when it goes against common sense. tsk tsk

Yes, I care more for Gallup polls, voter exit surveys, the US Census, etc than your inherently biased (because everyone is) anecdotes from Brazil when considering the reality in America. That's not meant to be rude, that's meant to point out I simply don't like taking anecdotes at face value when objective statistics and real research is available.
People may lie in polls, but they also lie in anecdotes and the things they see are inherently skewed by their own perceptive biases.

[Aurora Novus]

I'm not threatening you with the rules or trying to act like I have power over you.

"Don't you fucking do that again" type posts, like yours, come off as aggressive and shoddy attempts at intimidation.

This amuses me, as I will openly admit I have a very large superiority complex. So rather than make me back down, it only encourages me to laugh at you, and put you in your place; beneath me.

I don't even care about the rules, I care that you were fucking disrespectful.

What? Since when is making a point, by "fixing" someone's post, disrespectful? Amusing I think is a more accurate term.

And you're still doing it by calling me a whiner.

Well, considering how trivial the matter you blew up over is, yeah, I believe that constitutes whining. Your over the top reaction was needless and childish, and your continued pushing of the issue is reminiscent of a child throwing a tantrum.

That you cannot refrain from stupid shit like post editing and name calling, is why I ain't fucking with you.

*yawn*

Just kiss my boot, and swear fealty to me, and I will forgive of you your transgressions.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

1 - They are not the sufficient. People often put it with hyphens, and it breaks the tag (at least for all PCs I ever used). And they have a very minimal count.

And the videos I like most times are tagged just with 'gay', exactly because it is dumb to not have gay as a section full with the same tag division as the straight male-focused one in itself. It will not be tagged. To find nice videos, I first need to find users with nice tastes, and then watch the videos they liked.

There were thousands upon thousands of videos (I think 300k under the 'gay' tag alone, but I was skimming and could be wrong) in hundreds of tags. I don't know what you define as a 'minimal count', but that sounds like a lot of porn to me.

It still sounds like the problem is simply the result of there being fewer homosexual men than heterosexual men and that simple fact driving how things are sorted. It's not discriminatory, that's just the way things are at present.

2 - Care little for my anecdotes despite knowing that people lie a lot about sexuality specially when asked about this by strangers, or even better, people they know?

You are in Wikipedia, right? Only a source may be true, even when it goes against common sense. tsk tsk

Yes, I care more for Gallup polls, voter exit surveys, the US Census, etc than your inherently biased (because everyone is) anecdotes from Brazil when considering the reality in America. That's not meant to be rude, that's meant to point out I simply don't like taking anecdotes at face value when objective statistics and real research is available.
People may lie in polls, but they also lie in anecdotes and the things they see are inherently skewed by their own perceptive biases.

The straight tags are inaccessible to the gay one. You may not cross-referrence, or not easily. You have to look in the milliards of straight tags, put its name in the search box together with 'gay', and wait for you to see if you like the result.

There are tons of people watching gay porn. The difference in number is not so significant that our consumer pressure is something that could be just put aside. -.-

My point is that there aren't less than 13% of gay and bi guys anywhere. Not even in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Since the USA is oppressive to the point of forcing us to the closet but not killing us, it is quite clear that all those numbers that don't appear are too perving over the intrawebz.

[Tubbsalot]

I'm not threatening you with the rules or trying to act like I have power over you.

"Don't you fucking do that again" type posts, like yours, come off as aggressive and shoddy attempts at intimidation.

This amuses me, as I will openly admit I have a very large superiority complex. So rather than make me back down, it only encourages me to laugh at you, and put you in your place; beneath me.

I don't even care about the rules, I care that you were fucking disrespectful.

What? Since when is making a point, by "fixing" someone's post, disrespectful? Amusing I think is a more accurate term.

And you're still doing it by calling me a whiner.

Well, considering how trivial the matter you blew up over is, yeah, I believe that constitutes whining. Your over the top reaction was needless and childish, and your continued pushing of the issue is reminiscent of a child throwing a tantrum.

That you cannot refrain from stupid shit like post editing and name calling, is why I ain't fucking with you.

*yawn*

Just kiss my boot, and swear fealty to me, and I will forgive of you your transgressions.

Cut it out, dude. Being overtly smug for half a dozen posts doesn't make you look cool.

[IshCong]

There were thousands upon thousands of videos (I think 300k under the 'gay' tag alone, but I was skimming and could be wrong) in hundreds of tags. I don't know what you define as a 'minimal count', but that sounds like a lot of porn to me.

It still sounds like the problem is simply the result of there being fewer homosexual men than heterosexual men and that simple fact driving how things are sorted. It's not discriminatory, that's just the way things are at present.



Yes, I care more for Gallup polls, voter exit surveys, the US Census, etc than your inherently biased (because everyone is) anecdotes from Brazil when considering the reality in America. That's not meant to be rude, that's meant to point out I simply don't like taking anecdotes at face value when objective statistics and real research is available.
People may lie in polls, but they also lie in anecdotes and the things they see are inherently skewed by their own perceptive biases.

The straight tags are inaccessible to the gay one. You may not cross-referrence, or not easily. You have to look in the milliards of straight tags, put its name in the search box together with 'gay', and wait for you to see if you like the result.

There are tons of people watching gay porn. The difference in number is not so significant that our consumer pressure is something that could be just put aside. -.-

It isn't being 'put aside'. It's simply not as strong as the pressure from the group that makes up the majority of the population by a long margin, that is, heterosexuals. 13% is far, far less than 87%, assuming your figure is accurate. If we go by 5%, the difference is even more pronounced.
Xvideo's tag function is a bit clunky, but really, there's hundreds of thousands of videos labelled 'gay' (that 300k figure was right) in hundreds of tags sub-dividing that niche and a search engine that's more than willing to combine the two (which honestly is probably easier than skimming all those tags). Type Xvideos into google and it even provides a nice link to gay videos for you.

This is not that big of a deal.

My point is that there aren't less than 13% of gay and bi guys anywhere. Not even in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Since the USA is oppressive to the point of forcing us to the closet but not killing us, it is quite clear that all those numbers that don't appear are too perving over the intrawebz.

For the sake of remaining on topic, okay.

[Aurora Novus]

"Don't you fucking do that again" type posts, like yours, come off as aggressive and shoddy attempts at intimidation.

This amuses me, as I will openly admit I have a very large superiority complex. So rather than make me back down, it only encourages me to laugh at you, and put you in your place; beneath me.




What? Since when is making a point, by "fixing" someone's post, disrespectful? Amusing I think is a more accurate term.




Well, considering how trivial the matter you blew up over is, yeah, I believe that constitutes whining. Your over the top reaction was needless and childish, and your continued pushing of the issue is reminiscent of a child throwing a tantrum.




*yawn*

Just kiss my boot, and swear fealty to me, and I will forgive of you your transgressions.

Cut it out, dude. Being overtly smug for half a dozen posts doesn't make you look cool.

...when did 2-3 posts become half a dozen?

Still, if he's going to have a ridiculous reaction that no normal person would have, he should be prepared for ridiculous responses. His explosion of anger was wholly unwarranted. That I made fun of such a absurd reaction is just the natural progression of things. If he's willing to drop a debate because someone made a point by editing his posts...well, that's not normal nor reasonable, to say the least.