Misogynistic porn

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Silbert, M. and Pines, A., in "Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Women," published their study involving prostitutes in the international journal Sex Roles, "The comments followed the same pattern: the assailant referred to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed rape but also extreme violence."[18]

According to the study "Pornography Use as a Risk Marker for an Aggressive Pattern of Behavior Among Sexually Reactive Children and Adolescents", sexually reactive children and adolescents (SRCAs), also referred to as juvenile sexual offenders, "may be more vulnerable and likely to experience damaging effects from pornography use." According to the study, the SRCAs who used pornography were "more likely" to display aggressive behaviors than their nonusing counterparts.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eff ... 857-868-18

I'm not saying that porn turns you into a rapist (same article even says that porn as a whole tends to lower instances of rape)--I am saying that misogynistic porn affects men's perceptions of healthy sex, with concepts they didn't come up with.

Is this why children who grow up in abusive households are not any more likely to be abusive? And have you thought that maybe why many people don't find certain shit sexually appealing is due to sensitivity?

No, your idea, that people only watch scenarios they've seen in their head, is asinine.

1) Your sources seem to suggest that, no matter what happened he would have done it any fucking way. It's like blaming Doom to the Columbine massacre. The game didn't make the shooter go ahead and kill them, but it did reinforce the behavior he wanted to display. He was the exception rather than the rule, and I think the same thing happens with porn here.

2) Your sources seem highly ageist because they do not account for the fact that fucking adults also do this shit without even watching porn. What does account for them I wonder?

3) As someone who has watched a lot of porn, I know it hasn't changed my perceptions of what being a fucking decent human being is, and I have watched some fucked up shit. Also, I grew up in an abusive household with my grandmother, I am not abusive, so your statement is a ton of bullshit at the spot because not ALL of us turn out to be so fucked up as to abuse others. Some of us grow the fuck up and we try to make the lives of those around us less miserable than the one we had. Therefore I am calling bullshit on your statement.

[The Parkus Empire]

I was talking about the "have to face the consequences" bit.

Soldiers also become a soldier and face the consequences that they may be wounded or die.

It's voluntary, I see no problem with it.

It would not be okay for contracts where the porn actresses was legally compelled to do whatever, no. So you can't compare them to soldiers.

[IshCong]

If you're getting off on it, and have watched it long enough to get off on it and have stubbornly refused to go look for something else you might actually like I'm willing to wager that on some level you desire that fetish.
General 'you' again.

On some level, sure. Although it might not even have occurred to you.

Really? Because that's the opposite of what you posted earlier.

Anyway, that still doesn't refute the point. Producers are going to want to produce something that is desired by as many people as possible. They're going to actively try and find what that something is and then produce it, because that's how you maximize profits. Of course, there will be plenty of niche stuff, but the bulk of the porn produced is quite likely in line with what society desires.

I certainly hope not.

Reality, such as it is, doesn't care what you hope is true.
I'll note, however, that what society desires in their porn and what it desires in their ordinary lives aren't necessarily the same thing and that I don't necessarily agree with you on what sort of porn predominates the industry.

[Indawoods]

Soldiers also become a soldier and face the consequences that they may be wounded or die.

It's voluntary, I see no problem with it.

It would not be okay for contracts where the porn actresses was legally compelled to do whatever, no. So you can't compare them to soldiers.

They can always refuse the job, that's what you sign for.

If you're feeling white man's guilt then I just end the discussion here.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

You're forgetting 'bout the golden rule.

Don't know nothing about this so-called golden rule.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which, as a gamer, find it stupid.

I mean, I LOVE videogames containing violence in them (Guilty Gear being my favorite and Marvel vs Capcom 2 along with Devil May Cry and Resident Evil 6... you get the idea) but never, in my life, would I ever say "violence or killing others is right" because that's fucking dumb and idiotic.

Which is the same thing I think in this case. There is no correlation between being desensitized and liking it. You can still disapprove of an act even if it doesn't surprise you anymore.

I'd say film has far, far more of an effect than video games, which are more comparable to cartoons.

I have also watched violent films, doesn't mean I would actually advocate violence.

You are merely coming up with the same fucking argument anti-X media come up with "but the children! They will be the ones who will be fucked if we do not regulate (another word for banning) X"

Come on, I have heard this argument over and over again to know it is nothing but moralistic bullshit.

It's the same thing people have said about other races

"But the purity of our race! We must protect it by keeping our children from them! Because they will be ruined if we let them see their society!"

Please.

[Tubbsalot]

It would not be okay for contracts where the porn actresses was legally compelled to do whatever, no. So you can't compare them to soldiers.

They can always refuse the job, that's what you sign for.

If you're feeling white man's guilt then I just end the discussion here.

what the fuck are you talking about

[Tubbsalot]

You're forgetting 'bout the golden rule.

Don't know nothing about this so-called golden rule.

It's not gay when it's in a three-way. With a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

[Aurora Novus]

What? No. I'm talking about your asinine claim that the porn industry somehow decide to create certain kinds of porn on a whim, and then got people to like it. Veruss the opposite; that they simply responded to a demand a lot of people had, based upon their naturally occurring fetishes.

Oh, they polled people?

In a sense, yes. Do you not know how markets function in Capitalism?

People demand porn, that doesn't mean they demand the bullshit that comes with it.

What do you mean the "bullshit that comes with it"? What do you even think porn is? The "bullshit that comes with it" is the porn, and more often than not, is why someone is watching that specific piece of porn.

Porn is not some generic thing that people then add onto and change at will. Your reasoning is childish, and the equivalent of someone going to see a superhero movie, not liking the fantasy elements to it, and then complaining "people want a film, not the bullshit that comes with it."

That "bullshit" is what makes that porno, a porno.

You're basically saying human beings get off to any old thing, and that they simply choose to get off to one thing over another. What the fuck? Again, do you have any clue how human sexuality works?

The fact that it dominates the market seems to suggest that is precisely the case. Unless you have evidence that the porn industry is somehow brainwashing people, you are just being willfully ignorant.

Silbert, M. and Pines, A., in "Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Women," published their study involving prostitutes in the international journal Sex Roles, "The comments followed the same pattern: the assailant referred to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed rape but also extreme violence."[18]

According to the study "Pornography Use as a Risk Marker for an Aggressive Pattern of Behavior Among Sexually Reactive Children and Adolescents", sexually reactive children and adolescents (SRCAs), also referred to as juvenile sexual offenders, "may be more vulnerable and likely to experience damaging effects from pornography use." According to the study, the SRCAs who used pornography were "more likely" to display aggressive behaviors than their nonusing counterparts.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eff ... 857-868-18

I'm not saying that porn turns you into a rapist (same article even says that porn as a whole tends to lower instances of rape)--I am saying that it affects men's perceptions of healthy sex, with concepts they didn't come up with.

So your evidence is that porn is some evil that shapes people to do bad things, is a few fringe individuals who viewed porn (that they were already predisposed to liking) in order to refine their technique, by method of visual mimicking?

Uhuh.

And what about the billions of people who don't do this?

The idea that porn is harmful or influences people in the way you suggest is a nonsense, pseudo-psychological claim, that has no scientific backing what so ever.

Is this why children who grow up in abusive households are not any more likely to be abusive?

Forming habits has nothing to do with liking something. Further more, often times abusers don't "enjoy" what they do, but simply do not know how to react any other way. In fact, many physically abusive parents are depressed over what they do.

And have you thought that maybe why many people don't find certain shit sexually appealing is due to sensitivity?

Except, it's not.

I've been in the vore community for a long time now. I've always been into soft vore (swallowing whole and alive), and not into hard vore (dismemberment and lots of blood and guts, typically by chewing). I'm desensitized to it at this point, but I do not, nor will I ever, find it sexually attractive.

As someone else said, I am living proof your claim is bullshit. You are so disconnected from reality it's almost laughable.

]No, your idea, that people only watch scenarios they've seen in their head, is asinine.

Not what I said.

I said people don't go browsing for porn without knowing what turns them on. Different claim entirely. Do keep up.

[Indawoods]

They can always refuse the job, that's what you sign for.

If you're feeling white man's guilt then I just end the discussion here.

what the fuck are you talking about

He talks about, that ''some porn movies are misogynistic'' for women. Porn actresses sign per movie, and if they know what is going to happen in it, then they shouldn't whine.

[IshCong]

What? There's plenty of porn directed at homosexual men and women. I think that's what you're saying. All your "x...os" and "x...mster" is really confusing to read.



I didn't state the 5% figure, that was someone else, but yeah, 5% is about right for homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... rientation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demog ... ted_States



Again, there's plenty of porn directed at homosexuals. Like, this isn't even a question.

My point is that it is so segreated that it looks like they are having separate but equal in Xvideos.

Try to find gay, bi and straight videos alike in a search there for the same niche. You won't.

Fact is, the main ways ignore one of the most faithful consumers of porn in your so-called consumer-focused approach. It is hell unlikely.

Wait, wait, wait. Your objection is that you can't find gay, bi, and straight videos side-by-side? Of course you can't, those videos appeal to wildly different demographics. Just like how all the fetishes are off in their own groups. It's not that anyone is alienated, it's that it is easier to find what you want if it is sorted properly. That way homosexuals don't have to pore through pages of heterosexual stuff before they find one video they can get off on.

Sexual orientation numbers are biased. They surely reflect the prejudices of a certain society.

For example, in Rio de Janeiro, where people are the most perverted of Brazil according to Brazilians (in Polandball we're always there being laughed at with this stereotype) and find it natural to have homoerotic adolescent experimentation (so much that, when I was 13, my parents didn't care at all when I was watching yaoi and telling people in school I kissed other boy and was in love with him when I was 7, and told me I was not old enough to be really sure I was bi or whatever; even older Roman Catholics had less open-minded but similar reactions, and they always spotted me for acting sissy or spoiled) or to fuck with travesti prostitutes if your money is lacking, the number approaches 20%.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_in_Brazil

So, what, you're claiming that all the figures on how many people of a given sexual orientation there are in a given area are wrong? Based on anecdotal evidence? Yeah...nice try, but no. Try harder.

[The Parkus Empire]

1) Your sources seem to suggest that, no matter what happened he would have done it any fucking way. It's like blaming Doom to the Columbine massacre. The game didn't make the shooter go ahead and kill them, but it did reinforce the behavior he wanted to display. He was the exception rather than the rule, and I think the same thing happens with porn here.

Not really. The idea that women "like" to be raped came from porn in these instances, because a lot of porn shows that. No shooter ever assumed the victims "wanted" it.

2) Your sources seem highly ageist because they do not account for the fact that fucking adults also do this shit without even watching porn. What does account for them I wonder?

I don't think it was saying that sort of thing only exists because of porn....

3) As someone who has watched a lot of porn, I know it hasn't changed my perceptions of what being a fucking decent human being is, and I have watched some fucked up shit. Also, I grew up in an abusive household with my grandmother, I am not abusive, so your statement is a ton of bullshit at the spot because not ALL of us turn out to be so fucked up as to abuse others.

Some of us grow the fuck up and we try to make the lives of those around us less miserable than the one we had. Therefore I am calling bullshit on your statement.

No, the idea of abused kids often growing up to be abusive is valid, even if you or even most didn't.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Don't know nothing about this so-called golden rule.

It's not gay when it's in a three-way. With a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

I know it's probably a joke, but may I ask you straights something?

If it's not gay then everything should be free, sure? And if women are represented as almost always getting sexual with each other in a threesome... in fraught 21st century, so should males.

Furthermore I actually think two pre-teen males wanking each other is not gay (unlike most non-straight non-ace guys, who are not making themselves a favor).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1) Your sources seem to suggest that, no matter what happened he would have done it any fucking way. It's like blaming Doom to the Columbine massacre. The game didn't make the shooter go ahead and kill them, but it did reinforce the behavior he wanted to display. He was the exception rather than the rule, and I think the same thing happens with porn here.

Not really. The idea that women "like" to be raped came from porn in these instances, because a lot of porn shows that. No shooter ever assumed the victims "wanted" it.

2) Your sources seem highly ageist because they do not account for the fact that fucking adults also do this shit without even watching porn. What does account for them I wonder?

I don't think it was saying that sort of thing only exists because of porn....

3) As someone who has watched a lot of porn, I know it hasn't changed my perceptions of what being a fucking decent human being is, and I have watched some fucked up shit. Also, I grew up in an abusive household with my grandmother, I am not abusive, so your statement is a ton of bullshit at the spot because not ALL of us turn out to be so fucked up as to abuse others.

Some of us grow the fuck up and we try to make the lives of those around us less miserable than the one we had. Therefore I am calling bullshit on your statement.

No, the idea of abused kids often growing up to be abusive is valid, even if you or even most didn't.

1) Rapists are going to rape, shooters are going to kill people. If a game or a movie is associated in the history of things that justified the person's actions, doesn't mean everyone who fucking does the same thing is going to end up being the same. This is a stupid slippery slope.

2) You were certainly backing up a rebuttal to my assertion with this. So yea, I don't really think you have much maneuvering

3) The idea of abused kids growing up to be abusive is bullshit, mostly because you can grow up and see how fucked up the circumstances were by, I don't know, looking back at your life and saying "damn, that was some fucked up shit" and not doing it to others.

[IshCong]

It's not gay when it's in a three-way. With a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

I know it's probably a joke, but may I ask you straights something?

If it's not gay then everything should be free, sure? And if women are represented as almost always getting sexual with each other in a threesome... in fraught 21st century, so should males.

I think it depends on who the porn is directed at. If it is a MFF threesome directed at men, the women tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other in my experience. If it is a MMF threesome directed at men, the men don't tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other.

But, if it is a MMF threesome directed at women, then the men tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other, whereas the women in a MFF threesome don't.

The above is all anecdotal though...

For some reason, heterosexuals seem to like watching homosexual activity by the opposite sex.

[Aurora Novus]

Not really. The idea that women "like" to be raped came fromporn in these instances, because a lot of porn shows that the existence of women who naturally have extreme domination (rape) fetishes.

Fix'd for you.

Seriously, it's like you cannot fathom that anything which you do not personally enjoy, cannot spawn naturally in other people.

Please, explain my fetish then.

[IshCong]

Not really. The idea that women "like" to be raped came from porn in these instances, because a lot of porn shows that. No shooter ever assumed the victims "wanted" it.



I don't think it was saying that sort of thing only exists because of porn....


No, the idea of abused kids often growing up to be abusive is valid, even if you or even most didn't.

1) Rapists are going to rape, shooters are going to kill people. If a game or a movie is associated in the history of things that justified the person's actions, doesn't mean everyone who fucking does the same thing is going to end up being the same. This is a stupid slippery slope.

2) You were certainly backing up a rebuttal to my assertion with this. So yea, I don't really think you have much maneuvering

3) The idea of abused kids growing up to be abusive is bullshit, mostly because you can grow up and see how fucked up the circumstances were by, I don't know, looking back at your life and saying "damn, that was some fucked up shit" and not doing it to others.

Well, abused children are more likely to turn into abusers. That's fact. The problem is that Parkus' point was that exposure to a thing can cause you to like it and children don't become abusive adults because they like abuse. They do it because that's the only way they know how to deal with conflicts and because abuse naturally makes people more aggressive. Which is wildly different from suddenly 'liking' abuse.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Wait, wait, wait. Your objection is that you can't find gay, bi, and straight videos side-by-side? Of course you can't, those videos appeal to wildly different demographics. Just like how all the fetishes are off in their own groups. It's not that anyone is alienated, it's that it is easier to find what you want if it is sorted properly. That way homosexuals don't have to pore through pages of heterosexual stuff before they find one video they can get off on.

Sexual orientation numbers are biased. They surely reflect the prejudices of a certain society.

For example, in Rio de Janeiro, where people are the most perverted of Brazil according to Brazilians (in Polandball we're always there being laughed at with this stereotype) and find it natural to have homoerotic adolescent experimentation (so much that, when I was 13, my parents didn't care at all when I was watching yaoi and telling people in school I kissed other boy and was in love with him when I was 7, and told me I was not old enough to be really sure I was bi or whatever; even older Roman Catholics had less open-minded but similar reactions, and they always spotted me for acting sissy or spoiled) or to fuck with travesti prostitutes if your money is lacking, the number approaches 20%.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_in_Brazil

So, what, you're claiming that all the figures on how many people of a given sexual orientation there are in a given area are wrong? Based on anecdotal evidence? Yeah...nice try, but no. Try harder.

1 - Xvideos has no categories for gay and bi and les. It is just a mess. As if gay or bi was a category in itself, rather than we being different demographics (the approach of websites such as Xtube and Xhamster... that are btw more user-friendly). In Pornhub, same thing. lol

2 - The fact that sexual orientation is biological, there is a lot of reasons for American LGBTs not coming out, and that in other places the number approaches fourfold from your official figures shows we are underestimated. It is not just anedoctal evidence, I was just saying that we are a lot more tolerant with sexuality and indeed score high in socially liberal values to the 'right to private life' question, at least in my experience and that of Brazilians from elsewhere who comment our particular society/culture.

[The Parkus Empire]

In a sense, yes. Do you not know how markets function in Capitalism?

I know how they do ideally.

What do you mean the "bullshit that comes with it"? What do you even think porn is? The "bullshit that comes with it" is the porn, and more often than not, is why someone is watching that specific piece of porn.

Porn is not some generic thing that people then add onto and change at will. Your reasoning is childish, and the equivalent of someone going to see a superhero movie, not liking the fantasy elements to it, and then complaining "people want a film, not the bullshit that comes with it."

That "bullshit" is what makes that porno, a porno.

Women being degraded is what makes a porno a porno what

You're basically saying human beings get off to any old thing, and that they simply choose to get off to one thing over another. What the fuck? Again, do you have any clue how human sexuality works?

I said no such thing. I said that there's no reason to assume that the degradation of women will interfere with someone getting off who isn't in to that.

So your evidence is that porn is some evil that shapes people to do bad things, is a few fringe individuals who viewed porn (that they were already predisposed to liking) in order to refine their technique, by method of visual mimicking?

Uhuh.

And what about the billions of people who don't do this?

The idea that porn is harmful or influences people in the way you suggest is a nonsense, pseudo-psychological claim, that has no scientific backing what so ever.

I'm saying misogynistic porn harms perception of women, yes.

Forming habits has nothing to do with liking something. Further more, often times abusers don't "enjoy" what they do, but simply do not know how to react any other way. In fact, many physically abusive parents are depressed over what they do.

Then they shouldn't do it.

Except, it's not.

I've been in the vore community for a long time now. I've always been into soft vore (swallowing whole and alive), and not into hard vore (dismemberment and lots of blood and guts, typically by chewing). I'm desensitized to it at this point, but I do not, nor will I ever, find it sexually attractive.

As someone else said, I am living proof your claim is bullshit. You are so disconnected from reality it's almost laughable.

One individual does not make a trend bullshit. People are influenced by media.

Not what I said.

I said people don't go browsing for porn without knowing what turns them on. Different claim entirely. Do keep up.

That doesn't mean that a video of what turns them on won't include verbal abuse and shit like that, even if that's not what they're looking for.

[Aurora Novus]

1) Rapists are going to rape, shooters are going to kill people. If a game or a movie is associated in the history of things that justified the person's actions, doesn't mean everyone who fucking does the same thing is going to end up being the same. This is a stupid slippery slope.

2) You were certainly backing up a rebuttal to my assertion with this. So yea, I don't really think you have much maneuvering

3) The idea of abused kids growing up to be abusive is bullshit, mostly because you can grow up and see how fucked up the circumstances were by, I don't know, looking back at your life and saying "damn, that was some fucked up shit" and not doing it to others.

Well, abused children are more likely to turn into abusers. That's fact. The problem is that Parkus' point was that exposure to a thing can cause you to like it and children don't become abusive adults because they like abuse. They do it because that's the only way they know how to deal with conflicts and because abuse naturally makes people more aggressive. Which is wildly different from suddenly 'liking' abuse.

Also, children are far more psychologically malleable than adults. So even if the point he was trying to make were true, that still speaks nothing about pornography, and the adults who view it.

[The Parkus Empire]

Fix'd for you.

Don't fucking do that shit to my fucking post.

And no, it fucking well did not.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I know it's probably a joke, but may I ask you straights something?

If it's not gay then everything should be free, sure? And if women are represented as almost always getting sexual with each other in a threesome... in fraught 21st century, so should males.

I think it depends on who the porn is directed at. If it is a MFF threesome directed at men, the women tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other in my experience. If it is a MMF threesome directed at men, the men don't tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other.

But, if it is a MMF threesome directed at women, then the men tend to wind up doing sexual things to each other, whereas the women in a MFF threesome don't.

The above is all anecdotal though...

For some reason, heterosexuals seem to like watching homosexual activity by the opposite sex.

Pretty sure it is anecdotal. Even my female friends who like romance-focused yaoi are freaked out watching gay porn. Bisexual female friends, the same.

But I was asking why in real life a bit of manlove wouldn't happen. It should be 3 people having sex, why would a guy want a trio for the woman to have two guys if he will still be with solely a single person?

Even in my gayest phases (sometimes I'm a 50/50, at others I feel like being panromantic homosexual) I don't quite get monosexuality. >_>

[IshCong]

Wait, wait, wait. Your objection is that you can't find gay, bi, and straight videos side-by-side? Of course you can't, those videos appeal to wildly different demographics. Just like how all the fetishes are off in their own groups. It's not that anyone is alienated, it's that it is easier to find what you want if it is sorted properly. That way homosexuals don't have to pore through pages of heterosexual stuff before they find one video they can get off on.



So, what, you're claiming that all the figures on how many people of a given sexual orientation there are in a given area are wrong? Based on anecdotal evidence? Yeah...nice try, but no. Try harder.

1 - Xvideos has no categories for gay and bi and les. It is just a mess. As if gay or bi was a category in itself, rather than we being different demographics (the approach of websites such as Xtube and Xhamster... that are btw more user-friendly). In Pornhub, same thing. lol

What? Xvideos has tags, one of which is 'gay', along with dozens of other iterations of specific gay activities. Xtube apparently lets you filter videos by your sex and what sex(es) you're interested in.
Which only makes sense, it makes the relevant porn more accessible without having to sift through a bunch of stuff you don't like. Especially if stuff you don't like kills your sex drive.

2 - The fact that sexual orientation is biological, there is a lot of reasons for American LGBTs not coming out, and that in other places the number approaches fourfold from your official figures shows we are underestimated. It is not just anedoctal evidence, I was just saying that we are a lot more tolerant with sexuality and indeed score high in socially liberal values to the 'right to private life' question, at least in my experience and that of Brazilians from elsewhere who comment our particular society/culture.

You know what, this is getting off topic. Forget it.

[IshCong]

Well, abused children are more likely to turn into abusers. That's fact. The problem is that Parkus' point was that exposure to a thing can cause you to like it and children don't become abusive adults because they like abuse. They do it because that's the only way they know how to deal with conflicts and because abuse naturally makes people more aggressive. Which is wildly different from suddenly 'liking' abuse.

Also, children are far more psychologically malleable than adults. So even if the point he was trying to make were true, that still speaks nothing about pornography, and the adults who view it.

This is also true. I said as much in the first post I made replying to this line of talk.

[The Parkus Empire]

I1) Rapists are going to rape, shooters are going to kill people. If a game or a movie is associated in the history of things that justified the person's actions, doesn't mean everyone who fucking does the same thing is going to end up being the same. This is a stupid slippery slope.

Except I'm not talking about banning anything.

2) You were certainly backing up a rebuttal to my assertion with this. So yea, I don't really think you have much maneuvering

I never said that shit.

3) The idea of abused kids growing up to be abusive is bullshit

Well fuck.