Misogynistic porn

[The Parkus Empire]

Producers dominate it.

Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I have watched men getting a blowjob many times and I haven't become desensitized to it nor I would like it.

In other words, I am living proof your statement is bullshit.

Research shows that initial exposure to violence in the media produces a number of aversive responses such as increased heart rate, fear, discomfort, perspiration and disgust. However, studies conducted show that prolonged and repeated exposure to violence in the media reduces or habituates the initial psychological impact until violent images do not elicit these negative responses. Eventually the observer becomes emotionally and cognitively desensitized to media violence. In an experiment to determine the effects on violent video games causing physiological desensitization to real-life violence, participants played either a violent or non-violent video game for 20 minutes. After that, they watched a 10 minute video containing real-life violence while their heart rate and galvanic skin responses were being monitored. The participants who played violent video games previously to watching the video showed lower heart rate and galvanic skin response readings compared to those who had not played violent video games displaying a physiological desensitization to violence.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiz ... psychology)

What does violence has to do with porn?!

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?

I have watched men getting a blowjob many times in the porn flicks I watch and I haven't become desensitized to it nor I would like to get one.

In other words, I am living proof your statement is bullshit.

I became desensitized over a lot of things.

I once though licking butts was abnormal. Yaoi undid it. Then that males' scrotum and nipple pleasure were less than secondary rather than primary (as nowadays, at least for me). Yaoi undid it. Then that females licking male butts goes against nature. Big online porn websites undid it.

But I am actually thankful for that.

[IshCong]

If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.

Explain me then why x...os pretend that males that don't have interest in solely males or females don't exist, and makes it a very hard time to make accurate gay porn searches?

What? There's plenty of porn directed at homosexual men and women. I think that's what you're saying. All your "x...os" and "x...mster" is really confusing to read.

X...mster pretends that 'ewww gaysecks gross!11!1' heterosexual males don't exist sometimes, X...be admits we exist. All of the others, cross a very clear line: 'straights here, homos there'.

I seriously doubt we are just 5% as you said. There are lots of closeted gays who are nice with themselves, and lots of people who have just temporary curiosity, and lots of hikikomori guys who enjoy it.

I didn't state the 5% figure, that was someone else, but yeah, 5% is about right for homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... rientation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demog ... ted_States

So they are ignoring 10-15% of us, ones of the most liberal and demanding of pornography, for nothing... Again, your conclusions seem flawed.

Again, there's plenty of porn directed at homosexuals. Like, this isn't even a question.

[Aurora Novus]

Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

Um...yes it does.

That is precisely what it bloody means.

Do you have any idea how human beings function sexually?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

Why would they buy/watch it then when there are alternatives they enjoy?

Porn videos are quite clearly labeled with names which suggest the act(s) occurring within that video. Why would they choose to watch one which doesn't involve elements they like?

[IshCong]

If you don't like it, why are you viewing it over and over again? It's not like there's any other point than to watch it and like it and it's not like there aren't plenty of alternatives.

I don't....

It was a general 'you'. But the question stands. Why would a person desiring an orgasm/sexual arousal deliberately view things they do not find sexually arousing?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

If you can get off on something you don't like, you clearly like it more than you think.
I tried real hard with my exgirlfriend to get off on the idea of watersports and scat.
No. No no no. no. Hell no. No.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Straight anal sex is never vanilla.

It is always big, rude assholes treating women like whores or engaging in 'raep' with their submissive girlfriends, often with friends.

(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.

I... what?
You are clearly not looking at the same porn that I have to dig through to find something palatable. I see so much loving vanilla anal that I want to puke.

Perhaps because I like penis and find the actors ultrasexy and gorgeous and I imagine instead of my penis there, my butt?

[IshCong]

Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

If you're getting off on it, and have watched it long enough to get off on it and have stubbornly refused to go look for something else you might actually like I'm willing to wager that on some level you desire that fetish.
General 'you' again.

Anyway, that still doesn't refute the point. Producers are going to want to produce something that is desired by as many people as possible. They're going to actively try and find what that something is and then produce it, because that's how you maximize profits. Of course, there will be plenty of niche stuff, but the bulk of the porn produced is quite likely in line with what society desires.

[Aurora Novus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiz ... psychology)

What does violence has to do with porn?!

I think what he was trying to say was that people become desensitized to the violence and other negative things that occur in certain types of porn.

Which I can agree with.

But, there's a long way to go from "desensitized" to "liking". And there's an even longer way to go from "liking in fiction" to "liking in reality".

I can admit that I am very desensitized to violence. That doesn't mean in certain fictional scenarios I like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I wouldn't act with disgust and indignation if it occurred in real life.

It would seem to me he's pulling from the same asinine pool of rationality that violent videogame critics take from.

[The Parkus Empire]

What? No. I'm talking about your asinine claim that the porn industry somehow decide to create certain kinds of porn on a whim, and then got people to like it. Veruss the opposite; that they simply responded to a demand a lot of people had, based upon their naturally occurring fetishes.

Oh, they polled people?

Evidently not, based upon the amount of people demanding it. It seems to me you just don't wish to accept reality.

People demand porn, that doesn't mean they demand the bullshit that comes with it. When a director makes a sequel to a popular film, it doesn't mean he fucking gave every person who's going to buy a ticket the script for review.

The fact that it dominates the market seems to suggest that is precisely the case. Unless you have evidence that the porn industry is somehow brainwashing people, you are just being willfully ignorant.

Silbert, M. and Pines, A., in "Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Women," published their study involving prostitutes in the international journal Sex Roles, "The comments followed the same pattern: the assailant referred to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed rape but also extreme violence."[18]

According to the study "Pornography Use as a Risk Marker for an Aggressive Pattern of Behavior Among Sexually Reactive Children and Adolescents", sexually reactive children and adolescents (SRCAs), also referred to as juvenile sexual offenders, "may be more vulnerable and likely to experience damaging effects from pornography use." According to the study, the SRCAs who used pornography were "more likely" to display aggressive behaviors than their nonusing counterparts.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eff ... 857-868-18

I'm not saying that porn turns you into a rapist (same article even says that porn as a whole tends to lower instances of rape)--I am saying that misogynistic porn affects men's perceptions of healthy sex, with concepts they didn't come up with.

Desensitized? Yes. Like? No. I can watch two people have sex as many times as you like. that does not mean I will ever find it sexually appealing.

Is this why children who grow up in abusive households are not any more likely to be abusive? And have you thought that maybe why many people don't find certain shit sexually appealing is due to sensitivity?

]Further more, your assertion here is asinine. People don't go browsing the internet for porn, not knowing what turns them on. People know what they like, then seek it out, find it, and look at it.

No, your idea, that people only watch scenarios they've seen in their head, is asinine.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What does violence has to do with porn?!

I think what he was trying to say was that people become desensitized to the violence and other negative things that occur in certain types of porn.

Which I can agree with.

But, there's a long way to go from "desensitized" to "liking". And there's an even longer way to go from "liking in fiction" to "liking in reality".

I can admit that I am very desensitized to violence. That doesn't mean in certain fictional scenarios I like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I wouldn't act with disgust and indignation if it occurred in real life.

It would seem to me he's pulling from the same asinine pool of rationality that violent videogame critics take from.

Which, as a gamer, find it stupid.

I mean, I LOVE videogames containing violence in them (Guilty Gear being my favorite and Marvel vs Capcom 2 along with Devil May Cry and Resident Evil 6... you get the idea) but never, in my life, would I ever say "violence or killing others is right" because that's fucking dumb and idiotic.

Which is the same thing I think in this case. There is no correlation between being desensitized and liking it. You can still disapprove of an act even if it doesn't surprise you anymore.

[Indawoods]

Porn in porn, nothing misogynistic about it. The woman volunteered for the job and thus has to face the consequences.

[The Parkus Empire]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiz ... psychology)

What does violence has to do with porn?!

"You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?"

[The Parkus Empire]

Porn in porn, nothing misogynistic about it. The woman volunteered for the job and thus has to face the consequences.

No they don't....

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Explain me then why x...os pretend that males that don't have interest in solely males or females don't exist, and makes it a very hard time to make accurate gay porn searches?

What? There's plenty of porn directed at homosexual men and women. I think that's what you're saying. All your "x...os" and "x...mster" is really confusing to read.

X...mster pretends that 'ewww gaysecks gross!11!1' heterosexual males don't exist sometimes, X...be admits we exist. All of the others, cross a very clear line: 'straights here, homos there'.

I seriously doubt we are just 5% as you said. There are lots of closeted gays who are nice with themselves, and lots of people who have just temporary curiosity, and lots of hikikomori guys who enjoy it.

I didn't state the 5% figure, that was someone else, but yeah, 5% is about right for homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... rientation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demog ... ted_States

So they are ignoring 10-15% of us, ones of the most liberal and demanding of pornography, for nothing... Again, your conclusions seem flawed.

Again, there's plenty of porn directed at homosexuals. Like, this isn't even a question.

My point is that it is so segreated that it looks like they are having separate but equal in Xvideos.

Try to find gay, bi and straight videos alike in a search there for the same niche. You won't.

Fact is, the main ways ignore one of the most faithful consumers of porn in your so-called consumer-focused approach. It is hell unlikely.

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Sexual orientation numbers are biased. They surely reflect the prejudices of a certain society.

For example, in Rio de Janeiro, where people are the most perverted of Brazil according to Brazilians (in Polandball we're always there being laughed at with this stereotype) and find it natural to have homoerotic adolescent experimentation (so much that, when I was 13, my parents didn't care at all when I was watching yaoi and telling people in school I kissed other boy and was in love with him when I was 7, and told me I was not old enough to be really sure I was bi or whatever; even older Roman Catholics had less open-minded but similar reactions, and they always spotted me for acting sissy or spoiled) or to fuck with travesti prostitutes if your money is lacking, the number approaches 20%.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_in_Brazil

[Indawoods]

Porn in porn, nothing misogynistic about it. The woman volunteered for the job and thus has to face the consequences.

No they don't....

Asa Akira, Kim Holland, all professional pornstars and volunteered for the job.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think what he was trying to say was that people become desensitized to the violence and other negative things that occur in certain types of porn.

Which I can agree with.

But, there's a long way to go from "desensitized" to "liking". And there's an even longer way to go from "liking in fiction" to "liking in reality".

I can admit that I am very desensitized to violence. That doesn't mean in certain fictional scenarios I like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I wouldn't act with disgust and indignation if it occurred in real life.

It would seem to me he's pulling from the same asinine pool of rationality that violent videogame critics take from.

Which, as a gamer, find it stupid.

I mean, I LOVE videogames containing violence in them (Guilty Gear being my favorite and Marvel vs Capcom 2 along with Devil May Cry and Resident Evil 6... you get the idea) but never, in my life, would I ever say "violence or killing others is right" because that's fucking dumb and idiotic.

Which is the same thing I think in this case. There is no correlation between being desensitized and liking it. You can still disapprove of an act even if it doesn't surprise you anymore.

I'd say film has far, far more of an effect than video games, which are more comparable to cartoons.

[The Parkus Empire]

No they don't....

Asa Akira, Kim Holland, all professional pornstars and volunteered for the job.

I was talking about the "have to face the consequences" bit.

[Tubbsalot]

(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

You're forgetting 'bout the golden rule.

If you can get off on something you don't like, you clearly like it more than you think.
I tried real hard with my exgirlfriend to get off on the idea of watersports and scat.
No. No no no. no. Hell no. No.

Well, there's a difference between "dammit, why is literally everything anal" and "oh my god, why did I try masturbating to tubgirl."

Silbert, M. and Pines, A., in "Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Women," published their study involving prostitutes in the international journal Sex Roles, "The comments followed the same pattern: the assailant referred to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed rape but also extreme violence."[18]

People who committed rape did so because they like rape, and therefore sought out rape-related porn? And also they attempted to justify the rape? Holy shit!

According to the study "Pornography Use as a Risk Marker for an Aggressive Pattern of Behavior Among Sexually Reactive Children and Adolescents", sexually reactive children and adolescents (SRCAs), also referred to as juvenile sexual offenders, "may be more vulnerable and likely to experience damaging effects from pornography use." According to the study, the SRCAs who used pornography were "more likely" to display aggressive behaviors than their nonusing counterparts.[20]

And does porn use cause aggressiveness, or are they both a result of something else? Did they assign participants randomly to experimental and control groups to remove that variable?

[Indawoods]

Asa Akira, Kim Holland, all professional pornstars and volunteered for the job.

I was talking about the "have to face the consequences" bit.

Soldiers also become a soldier and face the consequences that they may be wounded or die.

It's voluntary, I see no problem with it.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Uh, yeah. Just because it involves a fetish that the viewer does not desire, does not mean the viewer isn't going to get off on it.

If you can get off on something you don't like, you clearly like it more than you think.
I tried real hard with my exgirlfriend to get off on the idea of watersports and scat.
No. No no no. no. Hell no. No.

SPOILERED hehe

I can wank at all porn but woman x animal. Doesn't matter how shitty art it is.

I got hard with many things in Encyclopedia Dramatica purposed to be disturbing.

Is that a problem? O.o

[The Parkus Empire]

If you're getting off on it, and have watched it long enough to get off on it and have stubbornly refused to go look for something else you might actually like I'm willing to wager that on some level you desire that fetish.
General 'you' again.

On some level, sure. Although it might not even have occurred to you.

Anyway, that still doesn't refute the point. Producers are going to want to produce something that is desired by as many people as possible. They're going to actively try and find what that something is and then produce it, because that's how you maximize profits. Of course, there will be plenty of niche stuff, but the bulk of the porn produced is quite likely in line with what society desires.

I certainly hope not.

[IshCong]

What? No. I'm talking about your asinine claim that the porn industry somehow decide to create certain kinds of porn on a whim, and then got people to like it. Veruss the opposite; that they simply responded to a demand a lot of people had, based upon their naturally occurring fetishes.

Oh, they polled people?

They poll their wallets, they almost certainly monitor sales and the hits that sites/videos get, and they almost certainly conduct market research. Alternatively, they could be wizards blessed by the free market fairy. =T

Evidently not, based upon the amount of people demanding it. It seems to me you just don't wish to accept reality.

People demand porn, that doesn't mean they demand the bullshit that comes with it. When a director makes a sequel to a popular film, it doesn't mean he fucking gave every person who's going to buy a ticket the script for review.

You'll notice, of course, that crummy movies tend to have fewer sales than better movies. Word of mouth, critics, reviews from those who have seen it, etc. People buy what they like. That applies to movies and porn and producers of both know that.

The fact that it dominates the market seems to suggest that is precisely the case. Unless you have evidence that the porn industry is somehow brainwashing people, you are just being willfully ignorant.

Silbert, M. and Pines, A., in "Pornography and Sexual Abuse of Women," published their study involving prostitutes in the international journal Sex Roles, "The comments followed the same pattern: the assailant referred to pornographic materials he had seen or read and then insisted that the victims not only enjoyed rape but also extreme violence."[18]

According to the study "Pornography Use as a Risk Marker for an Aggressive Pattern of Behavior Among Sexually Reactive Children and Adolescents", sexually reactive children and adolescents (SRCAs), also referred to as juvenile sexual offenders, "may be more vulnerable and likely to experience damaging effects from pornography use." According to the study, the SRCAs who used pornography were "more likely" to display aggressive behaviors than their nonusing counterparts.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_eff ... 857-868-18

I'm not saying that porn turns you into a rapist (same article even says that porn as a whole tends to lower instances of rape)--I am saying that misogynistic porn affects men's perceptions of healthy sex, with concepts they didn't come up with.

Rapists and sex offenders don't do well with sexual content.
I am shocked.

Desensitized? Yes. Like? No. I can watch two people have sex as many times as you like. that does not mean I will ever find it sexually appealing.

Is this why children who grow up in abusive households are not any more likely to be abusive? And have you thought that maybe why many people don't find certain shit sexually appealing is due to sensitivity?

Children who grow up in abusive households don't like abuse. It simply becomes the only way they know how to deal with things, the abuse makes them more aggressive, etc. It doesn't mean they like abusing people all of a sudden. There's far deeper psychological and developmental implications you're ignoring.
It's not like adults are children anyway.