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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:01 am

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Frisivisia wrote:Stupid perverted men who always want sex and will fuck anything but fat chicks and each other. Also, female masturbation doesn't happen and the female orgasm doesn't exist.


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:01 am

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true.


There is. I don't guess many people look for "non degrading porn" tho, they just look for "porn".

I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.

I dunno why anything not vanilla has to be misogynist (I'm very kinky myself), nor do I understand how vanilla can't be done in a misogynist way.

Well what I'm saying is that even though they might have to look for the vanilla stuff, they can find it pretty easily...
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And I don't particularly find any porn degrading so long as all parties are consenting to and enjoying the acts, and the video is not being used in a manner that declares in a real way that females are lesser or otherwise not as good as men in any fashion.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:02 am

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Aurora Novus wrote:Which is the fault of the supply-demand system.

Not really. I don't think most porn consumers naturally have fantasies like what porn often shows.


So...what, people just made porn on a whim then, and magically bred people to like it? Nonsense. Porn is the result of sexual interests, not the creator of them.

I've had my fetish as far back as I can remember. I can remember being 5 years old, never having heard of porn, or anything relating to my fetish, and yet still fantasizing about it, and masturbating to it.

EDIT: In fact, I can even recall farther back than that.

If I can have my fetish naturally, it is not at all farfetched that people would have the typical male-dom, female-sub fetishes that are oh so popular on the net and for purchase.
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Postby IshCong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:03 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true. I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.


Straight anal sex is never vanilla.


That's probably subjective.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It is always big, rude assholes treating women like whores or engaging in 'raep' with their submissive girlfriends, often with friends.


No, it's not.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.


I don't see how having a three-way means one must be somewhat bisexual.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:04 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true. I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.


Straight anal sex is never vanilla.

It is always big, rude assholes treating women like whores or engaging in 'raep' with their submissive girlfriends, often with friends.

(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.

I... what?
You are clearly not looking at the same porn that I have to dig through to find something palatable. I see so much loving vanilla anal that I want to puke.
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Postby IshCong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:06 am

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This is just going to reek of subjectivity if implemented. And even if implemented it wouldn't apply to what you seem to have a problem with. By virtue of being 'average' the average isn't the 'extreme' and wouldn't be labelled as such.



I believe they can target the average consumer and you apparently believe they're capable of targeting whichever sex acts the bulk of eighty percent of the male population most desires. That is not a climate in which a small minority can predominate and have most of the porn produced solely for their niche interests. If 80% of a populace is viewing porn, porn that is attractive to the most people among that 80% will be the most produced and tend towards becoming the 'average'.
It's not like 80% of people are both lonely and employed in any event.


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I meant that if only (yes, it is only, I freaked out 2 weeks without when I was 15 or 16, my first time in my 9th birthday was strong and like all of those years before were my body waiting for that moment, your entire live then seems like a very scary thing) 95% of guys fap, a good percent of them fap at porn too.

It doesn't mean they buy porn, or that they buy porn always, or that they even are sufficient to change the statistics of sites such as x...mster where most people already are there for a good time, looking at the comments and how everyone seems to like porn much more than me, and I am the most wanking person I ever knww personally.


If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.
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I wonder if it wouldn't actually decrease harm in much the same way that legalizing porn lowers incidences of rape in general.

Pedophiles in general are not bad people. Pedophilia does not mean that the person will go out and abuse a child - in fact, for the most part, people who secretly or openly identify as pedophiles would be disgusted at the idea of harming a child.
But they need outlets just like everyone else, and for some, imagination won't cut it. Where I live, even drawings that depict someone who looks like they might be underage is illegal, which is ridiculous. 3D models, drawings, and stories should be freely available without reprimand. It will certainly reduce the need for people to find real child pornography that depicts real children really being abused.


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But then zoophilia and zoophilic porn are treated as if they were completely average mundane things by law and authorities, not to say about how many hundreds of millions of child prostitutes there are out there in the streets here, what is a shame. So it is the least of what we would expect, otherwise it'd be the greatest hypocrisy of the world.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:06 am

Aurora Novus wrote:So...what, people just made porn on a whim then, and magically bred people to like it? Nonsense.

Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?
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IshCong wrote:If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.

Producers dominate it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:08 am

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Aurora Novus wrote:So...what, people just made porn on a whim then, and magically bred people to like it? Nonsense.

Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?


I have watched men getting a blowjob many times in the porn flicks I watch and I haven't become desensitized to it nor I would like to get one.

In other words, I am living proof your statement is bullshit.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:08 am

Porn as a whole is not necessarily misogynistic, considering how much of it is female-oriented. Porn tailored to heterosexual males may sometimes objectify women a bit too much, but it's more often than not a matter of pandering to the concealed fetishes of the customers than the artistic vision or beliefs of the actual creator.

I will say that porn sometimes seems to turn ethnicity into a fetish (asian women, black men, hispanic transvestites, etc.), but once again it's just pandering to its customers and, now that I think about it, feeling attracted towards people of a certain race can have many underlying implications, and not all of them may be objectifying or fetishistic.
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Aurora Novus wrote:So...what, people just made porn on a whim then, and magically bred people to like it? Nonsense.

Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?


If you don't like it, why are you viewing it over and over again? It's not like there's any other point than to watch it and like it and it's not like there aren't plenty of alternatives.
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IshCong wrote:If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.

Producers dominate it.

This has been mentioned a lot, but I have seen little evidence for it.
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IshCong wrote:If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.

Producers dominate it.


Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.
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hue, personal experiences

I meant that if only (yes, it is only, I freaked out 2 weeks without when I was 15 or 16, my first time in my 9th birthday was strong and like all of those years before were my body waiting for that moment, your entire live then seems like a very scary thing) 95% of guys fap, a good percent of them fap at porn too.

It doesn't mean they buy porn, or that they buy porn always, or that they even are sufficient to change the statistics of sites such as x...mster where most people already are there for a good time, looking at the comments and how everyone seems to like porn much more than me, and I am the most wanking person I ever knww personally.


If the vast majority of men view porn, as you claim, then there are more than enough of them to change what the industry will produce. Even if they aren't spending money on it the industry will almost certainly track hits on online videos/sites, run interest polls, etc and they will actively pursue producing whatever sort of porn most people (ie, the average) like in order to make more money. There is simply no way a minority group can dominate a market the vast majority of the population participates in like that.


Explain me then why x...os pretend that males that don't have interest in solely males or females don't exist, and makes it a very hard time to make accurate gay porn searches?

X...mster pretends that 'ewww gaysecks gross!11!1' heterosexual males don't exist sometimes, X...be admits we exist. All of the others, cross a very clear line: 'straights here, homos there'.

I seriously doubt we are just 5% as you said. There are lots of closeted gays who are nice with themselves, and lots of people who have just temporary curiosity, and lots of hikikomori guys who enjoy it.

So they are ignoring 10-15% of us, ones of the most liberal and demanding of pornography, for nothing... Again, your conclusions seem flawed.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?


I have watched men getting a blowjob many times and I haven't become desensitized to it nor I would like it.

In other words, I am living proof your statement is bullshit.

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Producers dominate it.


Producers deliberately produce porn they know is not desired by the majority of their possible consumers?
And they're still in business? They must be wizards.

Harry Potter ain't got shit on producers.
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IshCong wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?


If you don't like it, why are you viewing it over and over again? It's not like there's any other point than to watch it and like it and it's not like there aren't plenty of alternatives.

I don't....
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:12 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Again you conflate porn itself with misogynist porn.


What? No. I'm talking about your asinine claim that the porn industry somehow decide to create certain kinds of porn on a whim, and then got people to like it. Veruss the opposite; that they simply responded to a demand a lot of people had, based upon their naturally occurring fetishes.

I'm talking about what the industry tends to produce. That shit ain't a common man's fantasy.


Evidently not, based upon the amount of people demanding it. It seems to me you just don't wish to accept reality.

If it's possible for myself and others to naturally develop a fetish for being eaten alive, and slowly digested while suffocating and burning in intense agony, crying out for help, to no avail, is it really that far-fetched that large portions of the population might naturally develop a fetish for sex that employs stereotypical gender roles?


The fact that it dominates the market seems to suggest that is precisely the case. Unless you have evidence that the porn industry is somehow brainwashing people, you are just being willfully ignorant.

You don't think watching something over and over can make you desensitized to it, or maybe even like it?


Desensitized? Yes. Like? No. I can watch two people have sex as many times as you like. that does not mean I will ever find it sexually appealing.

Further more, your assertion here is asinine. People don't go browsing the internet for porn, not knowing what turns them on. People know what they like, then seek it out, find it, and look at it.

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