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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:44 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:2) Kiddie porn is wrong. Period.


Well, kiddie porn that features actual children anyway. I'm not inclined to agree that pedophilia porn is in itself immoral, as there are a number of ways to generate it without causing anyone harm.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:44 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:I'm an absolute freak in the sack, yo.
And the things I like porn and erotica wise are even crazier than the stuff I would actually do.


I don't know what I would actually do.

Now I am the one going to be brave.

I'm virgin. :meh: :meh: :meh: :meh:


That isn't even shocking. I am a virgin and I am fucking 24 years old. :meh:

You can develop a healthy view of sex even while virgin and see what you would like and what you wouldn't like. Apparently you already have some conception of what you find unacceptable during sex.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:45 am

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Soldati senza confini wrote:2) Kiddie porn is wrong. Period.


Well, kiddie porn that features actual children anyway. I'm not inclined to agree that pedophilia porn is in itself immoral, as there are a number of ways to generate it without causing anyone harm.


That's what I meant by kiddie porn :p

Actually, having sex with prepubescent-looking people is perfectly natural. Hell, I am attracted to women that look younger than their age most of the time than women who look their age. However, I always make sure they are 18 or older.
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Postby IshCong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:46 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Same here.

As I said, I think people may fap at and can make sex with everyone but real kids; rape is not sex IMO, so we can take this out of the question anyway.

What consenting people do in bed or any other place is none of my business. Hell, even in the middle of street at daylight. I am never going to whine over their sexuality.


1) Rape definitely isn't sex. I mean, it is KINDA sex, because well, it is the physical act of having sex, doesn't mean it is the proper ethical definition of sex.

2) Kiddie porn is wrong. Period.


Define "kiddie porn", if you please. Since I'm not sure if you're agreeing with HIRdJ's comment about 'everyone but real kids' or not. =T

Soldati senza confini wrote:3) Good! Well, I wouldn't go as far as fo it in the middle of the street at daylight :lol: but I get the gist of what you're saying :D


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:46 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:I'm an absolute freak in the sack, yo.
And the things I like porn and erotica wise are even crazier than the stuff I would actually do.


I don't know what I would actually do.

Now I am the one going to be brave.

I'm virgin. :meh: :meh: :meh: :meh:

Nothing to be ashamed about. :) Not having found the right person to lose your virginity to, or choosing to wait, or simply not wanting to risk another Craigslist Killer is A-OK!
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:47 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't like it, but no. I'm saying there is something wrong with it being the default.


Why?

If it's not wrong, what's wrong with it being popular?

I don't if it's particularly popular, I just know it is the common option for consumption. Someone looking for porn might not be into degrading shit, but if porn tends to be made that way, then that's what the person will probably end up watching.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:48 am

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Huh.
As a side note, this seemed interesting to me, "upward of $350,000 a year, while top male performers can make more than $100,000 annually."
Seems to imply male porn actors make far less than female porn actors.
I wonder why that is.

(Also, mildly worrying that apparently agencies don't often represent men, but so long as there are enough agencies that do, it probably isn't a problem.)

Because the guys watching porn don't care what the dude looks like, and there is a lot more "acting" on the woman's part.
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Postby IshCong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 am

Aurora Novus wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:2) Kiddie porn is wrong. Period.


Well, kiddie porn that features actual children anyway. I'm not inclined to agree that pedophilia porn is in itself immoral, as there are a number of ways to generate it without causing anyone harm.


I wonder if it wouldn't actually decrease harm in much the same way that legalizing porn lowers incidences of rape in general.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 am

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1 - No. We make a disclaimer that it is extreme and implicitly saying that for those with "great empathy for females" that work seems questionable. So people in websites sort it to extreme sides, even though it is almost wholly user-provided content (to the exception of X...os and X...be, but even those are mostly user-provided), because it becomes common sense in less than 5 years since even men who like porn and sex a lot may be a target to cultural repressions.

It is calling a duck a duck. People are free to fap whatever they feel pleased by.


This is just going to reek of subjectivity if implemented. And even if implemented it wouldn't apply to what you seem to have a problem with. By virtue of being 'average' the average isn't the 'extreme' and wouldn't be labelled as such.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:2 - Do you believe they really think they can target all of the males?

They target mostly those a) lonely b) employed. Reasonably, those lonely tend to be those that are less social toward females. Those employed tend to be in middle and upper classes, with the stereotypical middle and upper class results you may get.

If you mix people who are not poor because poor people are more conservative and rather buy other things, who are mostly white (because it is the USA, and POC tend to get affluent by the time they marry, since they are mostly conservative poor in origin), that don't have girlfriends or wives, what you get? Indeed, people at least with some dark secrets.


I believe they can target the average consumer and you apparently believe they're capable of targeting whichever sex acts the bulk of eighty percent of the male population most desires. That is not a climate in which a small minority can predominate and have most of the porn produced solely for their niche interests. If 80% of a populace is viewing porn, porn that is attractive to the most people among that 80% will be the most produced and tend towards becoming the 'average'.
It's not like 80% of people are both lonely and employed in any event.


hue, personal experiences

I meant that if only (yes, it is only, I freaked out 2 weeks without when I was 15 or 16, my first time in my 9th birthday was strong and like all of those years before were my body waiting for that moment, your entire live then seems like a very scary thing) 95% of guys fap, a good percent of them fap at porn too.

It doesn't mean they buy porn, or that they buy porn always, or that they even are sufficient to change the statistics of sites such as x...mster where most people already are there for a good time, looking at the comments and how everyone seems to like porn much more than me, and I am the most wanking person I ever knww personally.
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Postby Gillenor » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:-implying that only men watch porn.

Stupid perverted men who always want sex and will fuck anything but fat chicks and each other. Also, female masturbation doesn't happen and the female orgasm doesn't exist.


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 am

IshCong wrote:Define "kiddie porn", if you please. Since I'm not sure if you're agreeing with HIRdJ's comment about 'everyone but real kids' or not. =T


Well, alright, if a woman looks younger than her actual age and she is over the age of consent there is no fault of kiddy porn.

If the girl who engages in porn is actually YOUNGER than the age of consent then it IS kiddie porn whether or not said girl looks older than her age.

In other words, kiddie porn is more age-centric than looks-centric.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:50 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
Why?

If it's not wrong, what's wrong with it being popular?

I don't if it's particularly popular, I just know it is the common option for consumption. Someone looking for porn might not be into degrading shit, but if porn tends to be made that way, then that's what the person will probably end up watching.

Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true. I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:51 am

Well, people, I know being virgin is not a shame to such awesome guys like you.

It is just that I am talking about sex as if I was an authority... and I'm not even an amateur. :lol:
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:53 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
I don't know what I would actually do.

Now I am the one going to be brave.

I'm virgin. :meh: :meh: :meh: :meh:

Nothing to be ashamed about. :) Not having found the right person to lose your virginity to, or choosing to wait, or simply not wanting to risk another Craigslist Killer is A-OK!
Pssst I'm so sick of society that says you have to be ashamed of virginity if you're male, or have to be ashamed of being a sex fiend if you're female. Rock on and be proud of who you are and make society adjust.


:hug:

Why is it that I always happen to agree with you? :lol:

Okay, I may stop now, I do not want this to become a flirting thread :p
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:55 am

IshCong wrote:
Aurora Novus wrote:
Well, kiddie porn that features actual children anyway. I'm not inclined to agree that pedophilia porn is in itself immoral, as there are a number of ways to generate it without causing anyone harm.


I wonder if it wouldn't actually decrease harm in much the same way that legalizing porn lowers incidences of rape in general.

Pedophiles in general are not bad people. Pedophilia does not mean that the person will go out and abuse a child - in fact, for the most part, people who secretly or openly identify as pedophiles would be disgusted at the idea of harming a child.
But they need outlets just like everyone else, and for some, imagination won't cut it. Where I live, even drawings that depict someone who looks like they might be underage is illegal, which is ridiculous. 3D models, drawings, and stories should be freely available without reprimand. It will certainly reduce the need for people to find real child pornography that depicts real children really being abused.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:56 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true.


There is. I don't guess many people look for "non degrading porn" tho, they just look for "porn".

I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.

I dunno why anything not vanilla has to be misogynist (I'm very kinky myself), nor do I understand how vanilla can't be done in a misogynist way.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:56 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't if it's particularly popular, I just know it is the common option for consumption. Someone looking for porn might not be into degrading shit, but if porn tends to be made that way, then that's what the person will probably end up watching.


Which is the fault of the supply-demand system. What's popular is what's made, which leaves some people floating in the wind.

Again, a reason to critique Capitalism; not to label the porn industry as "sexist", or shame certain types of porn.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:56 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Well, people, I know being virgin is not a shame to such awesome guys like you.

It is just that I am talking about sex as if I was an authority... and I'm not even an amateur. :lol:


Being a virgin doesn't disqualify you from talking about sex in general.

I mean, I am here talking also as a perfectly capable individual and I am a virgin too :lol:
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:57 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't if it's particularly popular, I just know it is the common option for consumption. Someone looking for porn might not be into degrading shit, but if porn tends to be made that way, then that's what the person will probably end up watching.

Well, to say that they will watch it even if they don't like it implies that there's nothing else to watch, which just isn't true. I have seen just about everything there is to see, and there is a lot of (imo boring) vanilla porn. Pretty much everything in the "amateur" section is vanilla, as is a pretty big chunk of production quality pornography.


Straight anal sex is never vanilla.

It is always big, rude assholes treating women like whores or engaging in 'raep' with their submissive girlfriends, often with friends.

(even more, in threeways guys never look at or are minimally affective/sexual with each other, as if someone calling other guy to bed would never be minimally bisexual. But I don't even complain about it, since average straight guys mostly focuse on females and "faind 'faggetreh' tiscustin'!11!11!")

I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:58 am

Also, I've never had much trouble finding the kind of material I enjoy, despite the fact that it's a very small minority of people who enjoy it.

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Aurora Novus wrote:Which is the fault of the supply-demand system.

Not really. I don't think most porn consumers naturally have fantasies like what porn often shows.
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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.


You would be surprised ;)
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Postby IshCong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:00 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
IshCong wrote:
I wonder if it wouldn't actually decrease harm in much the same way that legalizing porn lowers incidences of rape in general.

Pedophiles in general are not bad people. Pedophilia does not mean that the person will go out and abuse a child - in fact, for the most part, people who secretly or openly identify as pedophiles would be disgusted at the idea of harming a child.
But they need outlets just like everyone else, and for some, imagination won't cut it. Where I live, even drawings that depict someone who looks like they might be underage is illegal, which is ridiculous. 3D models, drawings, and stories should be freely available without reprimand. It will certainly reduce the need for people to find real child pornography that depicts real children really being abused.


That was kinda my thought process here. Imagination might not cut it for some, but for some perhaps imagery (that doesn't actually involve a real underage person) might. That might cut down on incidences of actual harm, like child rape, exposing oneself to minors, making a sex video of children, etc.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I never fucked, but I know that straight sex doesn't happen that way.


You would be surprised ;)

The number of women who enjoy being degraded and enjoy anal sex is a small percentage of women who enjoy anal sex.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:01 am

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
You would be surprised ;)

The number of women who enjoy being degraded and enjoy anal sex is a small percentage of women who enjoy anal sex.


:meh:

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