Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

That would be regret, not rape. If something has already happened, you can't revoke consent. Fortunately, most fetuses haven't been born yet.

Why shouldn't I afterwards? Because some people tell me that a clump of cells inside me owns my body?

Because, it results in the death of a potential human being as in what it grows into if allowed to unlike sperm cells which need to fuse and form a zygote first.

So the woman should pay for the man's mistake in not pulling out?

The woman should pay for her own mistake of having intercourse with said man in that case.

Sex is not a crime. Children should not be a punishment.

[Solarys]

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

While at the same time risking the lives of all those who actually need them.

Need =/= want.

[The ivain isles]

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

While at the same time risking the lives of all those who actually need them.

Finally, need, not choose, but need. So much for pro choice. I'd like to think that we could provide enough care for women in the first world where they don't feel forced by external pressures to need an abortion.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Actually, telling a woman to do something with her body against her will that is both incredibly painful, hard, life-threatening, and expensive IS slavery.
Telling a non-person who is violating the bodily rights of a woman that it has no right to be in there is not even close to slavery and you clearly do not know what slavery is if you think that is slavery.

If the first one is slavery, the second one is murder.

Slavery is better than murder.

Enslave half of the population so that you can "save" non-persons.
Are we also going to imprison women who miscarry?

[Mavorpen]

While at the same time risking the lives of all those who actually need them.

Need =/= want.

How does this refute what he said...?

[Solarys]

Sex is not a crime. Children should not be a punishment.

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

[Blasveck]

While at the same time risking the lives of all those who actually need them.

Need =/= want.

True.

My point still stands.

Those who actually need them will have substantially hard time actually getting them.

[Mavorpen]

Sex is not a crime. Children should not be a punishment.

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

Nothing is being murdered.

[Zottistan]

That would be regret, not rape. If something has already happened, you can't revoke consent. Fortunately, most fetuses haven't been born yet.

Why shouldn't I afterwards? Because some people tell me that a clump of cells inside me owns my body?

Because, it results in the death of a potential human being as in what it grows into if allowed to unlike sperm cells which need to fuse and form a zygote first.

Any random cell is a potential human being. Mutations happen. How do you think life got here in the first place?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Sex is not a crime. Children should not be a punishment.

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

Yes, I'm SURE that's what the woman with four kids already, living paycheck to paycheck, hardly able to afford food, two months behind on rent, who gets fired from work for being pregnant will think it is. A "gift," which happens to ruin her life.

[Solarys]

Enslave half of the population so that you can "save" non-persons.
Are we also going to imprison women who miscarry?

Let half the population have their freedom to kill so that we can cause the death of half the population worth of future generations ?

Need =/= want.

How does this refute what he said...?

You are weird.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Enslave half of the population so that you can "save" non-persons.
Are we also going to imprison women who miscarry?

Let half the population have their freedom to kill so that we can cause the death of half the population worth of future generations ?

Birth rate is high enough, we don't need to increase it, first of all.
Second, it is a woman's right to not be pregnant if she does not want to be. It is her right to not have her body invaded. If a rapist doesn't get to invade her body, neither does a non-person.

[Mavorpen]

Enslave half of the population so that you can "save" non-persons.
Are we also going to imprison women who miscarry?

Let half the population have their freedom to kill so that we can cause the death of half the population worth of future generations ?

Yes. Why should we reduce the standard of living for future generations because of your childish beliefs?

[Ceannairceach]

Sex is not a crime. Children should not be a punishment.

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

Get a fucking dictionary. Abortion does not meet the definition of murder.

[Solarys]

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

Any random cell is a potential human being. Mutations happen. How do you think life got here in the first place?

Source a random cell growing into a human being and i will agree. As for life, the spaghetti that i just ate created it .

You are right. So consider the children as a gift and move on instead of attempting murder.

Yes, I'm SURE that's what the woman with four kids already, living paycheck to paycheck, hardly able to afford food, two months behind on rent, who gets fired from work for being pregnant will think it is. A "gift," which happens to ruin her life.

Then abstain from sex if you are that worried or get a vasectomy/tubectomy if you need to be that sure.

[Ceannairceach]

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

No, it isn't. Murder is a legal definition. Stop abusing it.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

Any random cell is a potential human being. Mutations happen. How do you think life got here in the first place?

Source a random cell growing into a human being and i will agree. As for life, the spaghetti that i just ate created it .

Yes, I'm SURE that's what the woman with four kids already, living paycheck to paycheck, hardly able to afford food, two months behind on rent, who gets fired from work for being pregnant will think it is. A "gift," which happens to ruin her life.

Then abstain from sex if you are that worried or get a vasectomy/tubectomy if you need to be that sure.

Hear that, everyone who never wants kids! You have to spend the next 30-40 years of your life celibate if you're female, and basically forever if you're a guy!

[Blasveck]

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

Any random cell is a potential human being. Mutations happen. How do you think life got here in the first place?

Source a random cell growing into a human being and i will agree. As for life, the spaghetti that i just ate created it .

Yes, I'm SURE that's what the woman with four kids already, living paycheck to paycheck, hardly able to afford food, two months behind on rent, who gets fired from work for being pregnant will think it is. A "gift," which happens to ruin her life.

Then abstain from sex if you are that worried or get a vasectomy/tubectomy if you need to be that sure.

Keyword. Potential.

It absolutely has the POTENTIAL to become a human being.

Except it isn't until it can survive outside of the womb.

[Zottistan]

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

Any random cell is a potential human being. Mutations happen. How do you think life got here in the first place?

Source a random cell growing into a human being and i will agree. As for life, the spaghetti that i just ate created it .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Like I said. Mutations happen.

[Mavorpen]

Nothing is being murdered.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.

Have you ever picked up a dictionary?

If not, go look up the word murder.

[Solarys]

Birth rate is high enough, we don't need to increase it, first of all.
Second, it is a woman's right to not be pregnant if she does not want to be. It is her right to not have her body invaded. If a rapist doesn't get to invade her body, neither does a non-person.

In this case, i'd say that she shouldn't be allowed that right as it is basically license to kill.

"The bird of hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame".

Sacrifices are sometimes necessary for stability of life.

Get a fucking dictionary. Abortion does not meet the definition of murder.

Legally, maybe not. But murder can be used synonymously for killing someone or something.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Birth rate is high enough, we don't need to increase it, first of all.
Second, it is a woman's right to not be pregnant if she does not want to be. It is her right to not have her body invaded. If a rapist doesn't get to invade her body, neither does a non-person.

In this case, i'd say that she shouldn't be allowed that right as it is basically license to kill.

"The bird of hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame".

Sacrifices are sometimes necessary for stability of life.

Get a fucking dictionary. Abortion does not meet the definition of murder.

Legally, maybe not. But murder can be used synonymously for killing someone or something.

For the stability of life, we need abortion to be legal.

[Mavorpen]

Legally, maybe not. But murder can be used synonymously for killing someone or something.

No it can't.

[Solarys]

Keyword. Potential.

It absolutely has the POTENTIAL to become a human being.

Except it isn't until it can survive outside of the womb.

And that is why i am saying that if a medical reason prevents it from developing into a normal baby or if it endangers the life of the mother, sure. Otherwise no.

Yes it is. The potential human being is being murdered.



Source a random cell growing into a human being and i will agree. As for life, the spaghetti that i just ate created it .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Like I said. Mutations happen.

Like i said, give a source that it can happen (not mutations/evolution)

[Ceannairceach]

Legally, maybe not. But murder can be used synonymously for killing someone or something.

No, it cannot. Anyone who uses it in that context is misusing the term.