Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Solarys]

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race, secondly, dehumanising a life does not change the fact that its a life, and thirdly, to decide that that life has no rights because its in a woman's body seems to me to be akin to slavery, considering the fact that said life has no choice on any matter, and has its very existence placed into the hands of somebody else.

OK, so you're saying that something that is alive has the full right to live, right?

OK than, what about cancer cells? I mean, they're alive and all! They have no choice in the matter! But hey, they harm us! So you're saying we should let them continue to destroy our bodies, just because they have no choice in the matter?

IF a cancer cell can grow to a human being, yes.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

It's not murder if what's being killed is not a person.

Why do you have such a low regard for human life, that you're willing to put a non-person above a person? Is it because you're not a Christian? Because if you were a Christian, you'd be pro-abortion, and recognize that it's the true pro-life position.

It's a parasite, not a person.

It's a choice, not a child.

The Christian position is pro-choice.

Your right, it's an antelope instead

No, it's not an antelope. It's just something that's not a person.

Personhood isn't a biological construct: it's an ethical one.

and lol, good work bringing religion into it, considering I'm an atheist.

As am I. After all, I am a Christian.

[The ivain isles]

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race, secondly, dehumanising a life does not change the fact that its a life, and thirdly, to decide that that life has no rights because its in a woman's body seems to me to be akin to slavery, considering the fact that said life has no choice on any matter, and has its very existence placed into the hands of somebody else.

I'll say this again:

You do know that banning/restricting abortions rarely ever stops them from happening right?

Either you want only the rich to be able to have safe, sterile abortions, or every woman being able to have safe, sterile abortions.

Car safety regulations don't stop car crashes either, yet we still have car crashes, and I believe in stronger prenatal care for expectant mothers, ensuring they get the best possible care available to them.

[Mavorpen]

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race

So are sperm cells.

[Zottistan]

Otherwise yes. Because consent can be revoked.

If a woman is having sex with a guy and tells him she wants to stop, and he keeps going, he's raping her. If a woman has a fetus and decides she doesn't want it in her womb, and it doesn't leave, it's trespassing.

And what if it is too late to stop himself from ejaculating ? Rape.

Seriously, people should start taking these things seriously and not as some kind of a game. If you have any doubts, then you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. You should have changed your mind before you undressed and began, not when it is about to stop or after it has happened.

That would be regret, not rape. If something has already happened, you can't revoke consent. Fortunately, most fetuses haven't been born yet.

Why shouldn't I afterwards? Because some people tell me that a clump of cells inside me owns my body?

[Ceannairceach]

Ever heard of condoms, or removing your dick before ejaculating?

Ever heard that condoms are not 100% reliable ? Or that you can't always remove it before, depending upon how close you are to climax ?

All the more reason to keep abortion legal.

[Brissia]

Ever heard of condoms, or removing your dick before ejaculating?

Ever heard that condoms are not 100% reliable ? Or that you can't always remove it before, depending upon how close you are to climax ?

Clearly you have no idea how male orgasms work.

[Blasveck]

Ever heard of condoms, or removing your dick before ejaculating?

Ever heard that condoms are not 100% reliable ? Or that you can't always remove it before, depending upon how close you are to climax ?

So the woman should pay for the man's mistake in not pulling out?

[The ivain isles]

Your right, it's an antelope instead

No, it's not an antelope. It's just something that's not a person.

Personhood isn't a biological construct: it's an ethical one.

and lol, good work bringing religion into it, considering I'm an atheist.

As am I. After all, I am a Christian.

So, is it ET instead?

[Zottistan]

OK, so you're saying that something that is alive has the full right to live, right?

OK than, what about cancer cells? I mean, they're alive and all! They have no choice in the matter! But hey, they harm us! So you're saying we should let them continue to destroy our bodies, just because they have no choice in the matter?

IF a cancer cell can grow to a human being, yes.

It's ridiculously unlikely, but it's a possibility.

[The ivain isles]

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race

So are sperm cells.

No, because they're haploid cells, which is akin to saying cheek cells are potential candidates.

[Blasveck]

I'll say this again:

You do know that banning/restricting abortions rarely ever stops them from happening right?

Either you want only the rich to be able to have safe, sterile abortions, or every woman being able to have safe, sterile abortions.

Car safety regulations don't stop car crashes either, yet we still have car crashes, and I believe in stronger prenatal care for expectant mothers, ensuring they get the best possible care available to them.

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

[Telsia]

If there was an Artificial Womb, which an unwanted infant could be placed into to develope, would there be a debate? There would be no "my body, my choice" in the equation and I doubt anyone whom walks up to an orphan and ask "wouldnt you prefer to have never existed than lived the life you have?"

Will anyone contest this logic? I cant see how.

[Mavorpen]

No, because they're haploid cells

So sperm cells don't fertilize ovum to produce offspring?

which is akin to saying cheek cells are potential candidates.

Are they stem cells?

[The ivain isles]

Car safety regulations don't stop car crashes either, yet we still have car crashes, and I believe in stronger prenatal care for expectant mothers, ensuring they get the best possible care available to them.

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So you are saying that a woman can not get a trespassing thing that causes several horrible symptoms out of her body?
Why not?

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race, secondly, dehumanising a life does not change the fact that its a life, and thirdly, to decide that that life has no rights because its in a woman's body seems to me to be akin to slavery, considering the fact that said life has no choice on any matter, and has its very existence placed into the hands of somebody else.

Actually, telling a woman to do something with her body against her will that is both incredibly painful, hard, life-threatening, and expensive IS slavery.
Telling a non-person who is violating the bodily rights of a woman that it has no right to be in there is not even close to slavery and you clearly do not know what slavery is if you think that is slavery.

[Solarys]

That would be regret, not rape. If something has already happened, you can't revoke consent. Fortunately, most fetuses haven't been born yet.

Why shouldn't I afterwards? Because some people tell me that a clump of cells inside me owns my body?

Because, it results in the death of a potential human being as in what it grows into if allowed to unlike sperm cells which need to fuse and form a zygote first.

Ever heard that condoms are not 100% reliable ? Or that you can't always remove it before, depending upon how close you are to climax ?

So the woman should pay for the man's mistake in not pulling out?

The woman should pay for her own mistake of having intercourse with said man in that case.

[Blasveck]

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

While at the same time risking the lives of all those who actually need them.

[The ivain isles]

No, because they're haploid cells

So sperm cells don't fertilize ovum to produce offspring?

which is akin to saying cheek cells are potential candidates.

Are they stem cells?

Exactly, fertilise, combining to create diploid cells.

[Mavorpen]

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

No it doesn't.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

Actually statistics say that it does not, and in countries where abortion is illegal it can actually cause more abortions because in places where abortion is illegal it is also often hard or impossible to get birth control.

[Mavorpen]

Exactly, fertilise, combining to create diploid cells.

That's what I just said.

[Ceannairceach]

Precisely.
Having car regulations doesn't stop all car crashes.

Having abortion regulations doesnt stop all abortions.

Yet lowers the number of abortions substantially.

While increasing the number of effective slaves and decreasing the access women have to healthcare.

[Blasveck]

That would be regret, not rape. If something has already happened, you can't revoke consent. Fortunately, most fetuses haven't been born yet.

Why shouldn't I afterwards? Because some people tell me that a clump of cells inside me owns my body?

Because, it results in the death of a potential human being as in what it grows into if allowed to unlike sperm cells which need to fuse and form a zygote first.

So the woman should pay for the man's mistake in not pulling out?

The woman should pay for her own mistake of having intercourse with said man in that case.

Slut shaming.

Jesus Christ people....

[Solarys]

Firstly, that trespassing thing is a potential candidate to the human race, secondly, dehumanising a life does not change the fact that its a life, and thirdly, to decide that that life has no rights because its in a woman's body seems to me to be akin to slavery, considering the fact that said life has no choice on any matter, and has its very existence placed into the hands of somebody else.

Actually, telling a woman to do something with her body against her will that is both incredibly painful, hard, life-threatening, and expensive IS slavery.
Telling a non-person who is violating the bodily rights of a woman that it has no right to be in there is not even close to slavery and you clearly do not know what slavery is if you think that is slavery.

If the first one is slavery, the second one is murder.

Slavery is better than murder.