Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Brissia]

So people shouldn't drive? After all, there's the chance they might be hit by another driver.

If they hit or get hit by another driver, shooting the person in the head and walking away is not the solution.

And they're going to go with "terminate the fetus". And since morality is subjective, they'll terminate it.

If you don't like abortion, don't have abortions. Otherwise, keep your nose out of other people's wombs.

And who are "they" ? if you meant the mother, them what i am saying that they shouldn't be allowed to.

Also it is like, you don't like stealing ? don't steal. Let those who want to, steal.

No I didn't. Did you even read your own post?


So tell us, what are sperm cells for?

If that is the angle you are going for, like i said earlier, false equivalency.

If you are not going to agree on that, you are equating one to another as in sperm cell to fetus.

So which one is it ?

Both a sperm and a fetus are similar in a way that they both have the opportunity to become a sentient being, but aren't one.

[Mavorpen]

If they hit or get hit by another driver, shooting the person in the head and walking away is not the solution.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

If that is the angle you are going for, like i said earlier, false equivalency.

You were the one who said it's bad to kill something that can become a person. A sperm cell, when combined with an ovum can become a person.

So again, do you even read your posts?

[Zottistan]

So people shouldn't drive? After all, there's the chance they might be hit by another driver.

If they hit or get hit by another driver, shooting the person in the head and walking away is not the solution.

And they're going to go with "terminate the fetus". And since morality is subjective, they'll terminate it.

If you don't like abortion, don't have abortions. Otherwise, keep your nose out of other people's wombs.

And who are "they" ? if you meant the mother, them what i am saying that they shouldn't be allowed to.

Also it is like, you don't like stealing ? don't steal. Let those who want to, steal.

Why shouldn't they be?

No. Stealing harms people. It's more like, if you don't like mustard, don't eat mustard. Otherwise, get your nose out of other people's sandwiches.

[Ceannairceach]

Lots of people feel that the death penalty probably should be used, but can't due to the fact that we rarely have one hundred percent knowledge of the story, without bias. Hell, I'd have very much liked to see, say Osama bin Laden hanged, but I'd rather he wasn't and an innocent man live than sate my vengeance.

Yes, you could say that our personal need for capital punishment stems out of vengeance and pure hatred, two emotions which should always stay out of the legal process.

That would be the idea.

[Solarys]

If they hit or get hit by another driver, shooting the person in the head and walking away is not the solution.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

If that is the angle you are going for, like i said earlier, false equivalency.

You were the one who said it's bad to kill something that can become a person. A sperm cell, when combined with an ovum can become a person.

So again, do you even read your posts?

What does a fetus have to combine with again ?

[Solarys]

Why shouldn't they be?

No. Stealing harms people. It's more like, if you don't like mustard, don't eat mustard. Otherwise, get your nose out of other people's sandwiches.

Because it ends up killing an innocent life.

Abortion results in the death of the fetus, so it does do harm.

[Mavorpen]

What does a fetus have to combine with again ?

The mother. You REALLY don't know this?

[Zottistan]

Why shouldn't they be?

No. Stealing harms people. It's more like, if you don't like mustard, don't eat mustard. Otherwise, get your nose out of other people's sandwiches.

Because it ends up killing an innocent life.

Abortion results in the death of the fetus, so it does do harm.

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

[Brissia]

Because it ends up killing an innocent life.

Abortion results in the death of the fetus, so it does do harm.

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

Other than barfing in the morning, grumpiness, labor pains....

[The ivain isles]

I believe in the unalienable right to life, and not a right of life, simple.

[Solarys]

What does a fetus have to combine with again ?

The mother. You REALLY don't know this?

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh. Circular logic much ?

Because it ends up killing an innocent life.

Abortion results in the death of the fetus, so it does do harm.

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

And i had always argued that the person who considers it as something like that and decides to abort their own baby should be considered murderer.

Also by your logic we destroy nature and pollute the earth, so should humans who do that be executed or something ?

[Zottistan]

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

Other than barfing in the morning, grumpiness, labor pains....

All good reasons for removing it.

I believe in the unalienable right to life, and not a right of life, simple.

So you believe in slavery on the grounds of need?

[Blasveck]

I believe in the unalienable right to life, and not a right of life, simple.

And what gives an unwanted fetus the right to life?

The woman's body is being trespassed.

[Mavorpen]

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh.

Great, so you're admitting that I was right.

[The ivain isles]

I believe in the unalienable right to life, and not a right of life, simple.

And what gives an unwanted fetus the right to life?

The woman's body is being trespassed.

In the case of rape, yes, but otherwise, no.

[Zottistan]

The mother. You REALLY don't know this?

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh. Circular logic much ?

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

And i had always argued that the person who considers it as something like that and decides to abort their own baby should be considered murderer.

Also by your logic we destroy nature and pollute the earth, so should humans who do that be executed or something ?

And I always argued that disagreeing with something without having reasons is a symptom of severe special snowflake syndrome. Address my argument or admit you that you can't, please.

Right, my bad. What has a fetus ever given human society? Nothing.

[Blasveck]

The mother. You REALLY don't know this?

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh. Circular logic much ?

I've always argued that if an unwanted fetus is a person, it's a thief, trespasser and rapist, and thus not innocent. And while not in favour of the death penalty, I do recognize the need to use lethal force to stop a crime in progress.

What has the fetus ever given the world? Nothing.

And i had always argued that the person who considers it as something like that and decides to abort their own baby should be considered murderer.

Also by your logic we destroy nature and pollute the earth, so should humans who do that be executed or something ?

1. Nature already does that herself, with droughts, hurricanes, earthquakes and such.
2. A fetus is not a baby. Don't call it one.

[Blasveck]

:lol2:

And what gives an unwanted fetus the right to life?

The woman's body is being trespassed.

In the case of rape, yes, but otherwise, no.

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

[Zottistan]

:lol2:

And what gives an unwanted fetus the right to life?

The woman's body is being trespassed.

In the case of rape, yes, but otherwise, no.

Otherwise yes. Because consent can be revoked.

If a woman is having sex with a guy and tells him she wants to stop, and he keeps going, he's raping her. If a woman has a fetus and decides she doesn't want it in her womb, and it doesn't leave, it's trespassing.

[The ivain isles]

:lol2:

In the case of rape, yes, but otherwise, no.

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

No.

[Zottistan]

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

No.

So you believe in slavery?

[Ceannairceach]

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

No.

So you endorse slavery. Grand.

[Brissia]

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

No.

So you are saying that a woman can not get a trespassing thing that causes several horrible symptoms out of her body?
Why not?

[The ivain isles]

:lol2:

In the case of rape, yes, but otherwise, no.

Otherwise yes. Because consent can be revoked.

If a woman is having sex with a guy and tells him she wants to stop, and he keeps going, he's raping her. If a woman has a fetus and decides she doesn't want it in her womb, and it doesn't leave, it's trespassing.

The foetus is dependent on the mother for survival, the right to life trumps rights of property.

[Solarys]

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh.

Great, so you're admitting that I was right.

No, i am not. more like if you consider it as a fetus, it is already attached to it, so it doesn't have to combine with anything afterwards.

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh. Circular logic much ?



You gave your reasons, i gave mine. You blind or something ?

And a fetus gives humans a way to not go extinct. You know creating future generations need the formation of fetus.

The mother. You REALLY don't know this?

It has to attach itself to the mother to become a viable fetus duh. Circular logic much ?

1. Nature already does that herself, with droughts, hurricanes, earthquakes and such.
2. A fetus is not a baby. Don't call it one.

2) Technically it is. May not be accurate when all is said and done.

Otherwise, yes.

If the woman doesn't want it, she has a right to get rid of it, because that's the only way to get rid of the trespasser.

Forcing her to keep it against her will is wrong, no?

Only she let the trespasser come in. Like i said, if she didn't want it, she should have took proper precautions. And even then she should have only consented to sex if she was willing to go through with the pregnancy if the precautions fail. Otherwise she is knowingly taking a life. That is what is wrong.