Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Zottistan]

Tell me, what do you think about those who are wrongly convicted and sentenced to execution? Are they "acceptable casualties"?

To me? Yes.

EDIT: Also, so much time passes between the time a punishment is given and when the poison actually goes into someone's vein, it is very possible to prove that the convicted person is innocent.

And what about all the evidence that capital punishment is not a good deterrent?

[Ceannairceach]

Tell me, what do you think about those who are wrongly convicted and sentenced to execution? Are they "acceptable casualties"?

To me? Yes.

EDIT: Also, so much time passes between the time a punishment is given and when the poison actually goes into someone's vein, it is very possible to prove that the convicted person is innocent.

So you think its alright that innocents get killed, so long as we get to see a criminal fry? And I'd note that there are several cases when someone won't be released until the week of their execution. Is the ability to get vengeance really more important to you than justice? Also, are you aware of the fact that executions cost more, with the addition of the trials necessary to get the sentence, than life in prison?

[Solarys]

False equivalency.

Do you not know what sperm cells are...?

It appears you don't since you equated it to a fetus.

[Ceannairceach]

And since morality is subjective, women should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to keep the the fetus.

According to you, but not according to me. I am still going to go by, they should have refrained from sex if they don't want pregnancy and can't ensure proper prevention or not willing to go through with it, incase the prevention fails.

So you're effectively saying "stupid sluts shouldn't be having sex", is that it?

[Mavorpen]

According to you, but not according to me. I am still going to go by, they should have refrained from sex if they don't want pregnancy and can't ensure proper prevention or not willing to go through with it, incase the prevention fails.

So people shouldn't drive? After all, there's the chance they might be hit by another driver.

[Brissia]

To me? Yes.

EDIT: Also, so much time passes between the time a punishment is given and when the poison actually goes into someone's vein, it is very possible to prove that the convicted person is innocent.

And what about all the evidence that capital punishment is not a good deterrent?

Provide that evidence.

[Mavorpen]

Do you not know what sperm cells are...?

It appears you don't since you equated it to a fetus.

No I didn't. Did you even read your own post?

Yes, you do.

Because I'm not sure why accepting consequences are better than not accepting them. If my finger gets cut off because I mishandled a knife, I won't "accept the consequences," I'll fucking reject it and go to the hospital where I can hopefully reattach it.

Because in this case not accepting it means basically killing someone or something that could have become someone.

So tell us, what are sperm cells for?

[Brissia]

To me? Yes.

EDIT: Also, so much time passes between the time a punishment is given and when the poison actually goes into someone's vein, it is very possible to prove that the convicted person is innocent.

So you think its alright that innocents get killed, so long as we get to see a criminal fry? And I'd note that there are several cases when someone won't be released until the week of their execution. Is the ability to get vengeance really more important to you than justice? Also, are you aware of the fact that executions cost more, with the addition of the trials necessary to get the sentence, than life in prison?

I'd like you to give me hard, cold evidence that executions cost more than life sentences.

[Ceannairceach]

And what about all the evidence that capital punishment is not a good deterrent?

Provide that evidence.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

[Condunum]

And what about all the evidence that capital punishment is not a good deterrent?

Provide that evidence.

America's crime rate.

[Ceannairceach]

So you think its alright that innocents get killed, so long as we get to see a criminal fry? And I'd note that there are several cases when someone won't be released until the week of their execution. Is the ability to get vengeance really more important to you than justice? Also, are you aware of the fact that executions cost more, with the addition of the trials necessary to get the sentence, than life in prison?

I'd like you to give me hard, cold evidence that executions cost more than life sentences.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

[Mavorpen]

So you think its alright that innocents get killed, so long as we get to see a criminal fry? And I'd note that there are several cases when someone won't be released until the week of their execution. Is the ability to get vengeance really more important to you than justice? Also, are you aware of the fact that executions cost more, with the addition of the trials necessary to get the sentence, than life in prison?

I'd like you to give me hard, cold evidence that executions cost more than life sentences.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish

[Ceannairceach]

I'd like you to give me hard, cold evidence that executions cost more than life sentences.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/law_school/ ... italpunish

Oh, nice combined source.

[Brissia]

Provide that evidence.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

[Condunum]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

And yet evidence suggests otherwise.

[Zottistan]

And since morality is subjective, women should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to keep the the fetus.

According to you, but not according to me. I am still going to go by, they should have refrained from sex if they don't want pregnancy and can't ensure proper prevention or not willing to go through with it, incase the prevention fails.

And they're going to go with "terminate the fetus". And since morality is subjective, they'll terminate it.

If you don't like abortion, don't have abortions. Otherwise, keep your nose out of other people's wombs.

And what about all the evidence that capital punishment is not a good deterrent?

Provide that evidence.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty
Tada.

[Mavorpen]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

...Not really. It depends heavily upon the crime. Death for rape, for instance, would only serve as a reason for them to rape and them kill the victim.

[Ceannairceach]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

That simply isn't the case. Rather, I'd say its logical that if a person knows he will be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will be less likely to leave witnesses, ie killing a rape victim.

[Zottistan]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-a ... th-penalty

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

Then clearly your logic is wrong.

[Brissia]

To me, it is logical that if a person knows he may be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will think twice before commuting that crime.

That simply isn't the case. Rather, I'd say its logical that if a person knows he will be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will be less likely to leave witnesses, ie killing a rape victim.

Hmmmmmm........well than, I can only conclude that personally, I feel that the death penalty is right, but due to the evidence that all of you showed, I am now undecided whether it should be legal or not.

[Mavorpen]

That simply isn't the case. Rather, I'd say its logical that if a person knows he will be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will be less likely to leave witnesses, ie killing a rape victim.

Hmmmmmm........well than, I can only conclude that personally, I feel that the death penalty is right, but due to the evidence that all of you showed, I am now undecided whether it should be legal or not.

Changing your mind on NSG is illegal.

[Solarys]

According to you, but not according to me. I am still going to go by, they should have refrained from sex if they don't want pregnancy and can't ensure proper prevention or not willing to go through with it, incase the prevention fails.

So people shouldn't drive? After all, there's the chance they might be hit by another driver.

If they hit or get hit by another driver, shooting the person in the head and walking away is not the solution.

And they're going to go with "terminate the fetus". And since morality is subjective, they'll terminate it.

If you don't like abortion, don't have abortions. Otherwise, keep your nose out of other people's wombs.

And who are "they" ? if you meant the mother, them what i am saying that they shouldn't be allowed to.

Also it is like, you don't like stealing ? don't steal. Let those who want to, steal.

It appears you don't since you equated it to a fetus.

No I didn't. Did you even read your own post?

Because in this case not accepting it means basically killing someone or something that could have become someone.

So tell us, what are sperm cells for?

If that is the angle you are going for, like i said earlier, false equivalency.

If you are not going to agree on that, you are equating one to another as in sperm cell to fetus.

So which one is it ?

[Ceannairceach]

That simply isn't the case. Rather, I'd say its logical that if a person knows he will be subjected to death for certain crimes, he will be less likely to leave witnesses, ie killing a rape victim.

Hmmmmmm........well than, I can only conclude that personally, I feel that the death penalty is right, but due to the evidence that all of you showed, I am now undecided whether it should be legal or not.

Lots of people feel that the death penalty probably should be used, but can't due to the fact that we rarely have one hundred percent knowledge of the story, without bias. Hell, I'd have very much liked to see, say Osama bin Laden hanged, but I'd rather he wasn't and an innocent man live than sate my vengeance.

[Brissia]

Hmmmmmm........well than, I can only conclude that personally, I feel that the death penalty is right, but due to the evidence that all of you showed, I am now undecided whether it should be legal or not.

Changing your mind on NSG is illegal.

Really?...

[Brissia]

Hmmmmmm........well than, I can only conclude that personally, I feel that the death penalty is right, but due to the evidence that all of you showed, I am now undecided whether it should be legal or not.

Lots of people feel that the death penalty probably should be used, but can't due to the fact that we rarely have one hundred percent knowledge of the story, without bias. Hell, I'd have very much liked to see, say Osama bin Laden hanged, but I'd rather he wasn't and an innocent man live than sate my vengeance.

Yes, you could say that our personal need for capital punishment stems out of vengeance and pure hatred, two emotions which should always stay out of the legal process.