Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Telsia]

That's plain Falsehood,

No, that's the truth.

all fetus will progress to a human,

Not at all.

unless some one/thing intervenes.

So, all fetuses will progress to a human, except the ones that don't? Way to be consistent.

So once it has its own DNA seperate to the mother its an individual, ergo a human, so if you aborted it after that point you are ending a persons life.

What kind of reasoning is that?

1. No, it isnt.

2. Without intervention, a Fetus(proto-human) will progress to full development, unless a person, illness, accident, genetic abnormality, cause a miss-carrage/abortion.

3. That is consistent, use a dictonary, it'll help your understanding of the English language.

4. With an Independent genetic code, their gene's are a mix of two seperate individuals making a unique Human Being, that person will have genetic predisposition unique to its self, completely divorced from both and from any future offspring.

That is a seperate person, why should anyone have a right to end it? Should a person who is brain damaged, with no concept of self, no " Sentience", be put down because they arent "really" human, much like a fetus.

If there was an Artificial Womb, which an unwanted infant could be placed into to develope, would there be a debate? There would be no "my body, my choice" in the equation and I doubt anyone whom walks up to an orphan and ask "wouldnt you prefer to have never existed than lived the life you have?"

[Mavorpen]

That is a seperate person, why should anyone have a right to end it? Should a person who is brain damaged, with no concept of self, no " Sentience", be put down because they arent "really" human, much like a fetus.

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

[Surfistan]

What if I say I believe that if Jesus really existed, he had to be human?

Well, there's always the possibility he was an alien... although it's extremely unlikely that an alien race would resemble humans or even be humanoid.

Does the Bible mention additional eyes, antlers, tentacles on the person of the Messiah?

[Telsia]

That is a seperate person, why should anyone have a right to end it? Should a person who is brain damaged, with no concept of self, no " Sentience", be put down because they arent "really" human, much like a fetus.

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour( which unless your telekenetic, will be using another humans body, if you let them die by refusing to care for the disabled person,you would be commiting a criminal offence-in any western country- which would be a use of their body without the consent of the (Negligent) carer.).

[Mavorpen]

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour(

Which isn't using another person's body without their consent.

Try again.

[Sociobiology]

That is a seperate person, why should anyone have a right to end it? Should a person who is brain damaged, with no concept of self, no " Sentience", be put down because they arent "really" human, much like a fetus.

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

It is what we do with conjoined twins in that circumstance.

[Mavorpen]

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

It is what we do with conjoined twins in that circumstance.

True. The problem here is that their argument seems to be "it's a person therefore it's wrong." It's silly because even if it was a person it wouldn't grant it the right to do things other persons cannot.

[Rabopari]

im sure this story was on al jazeera

[Sociobiology]

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour( which unless your telekenetic, will be using another humans body, if you let them die by refusing to care for the disabled person,you would be commiting a criminal offence-in any western country- which would be a use of their body without the consent of the (Negligent) carer.).

which is not the same as using that persons body against their will, when that does occur, say with conjoined twins, then YES we do euthanize the non-conscious one to give the other a decent life.

[Shaggai]

Well, there's always the possibility he was an alien... although it's extremely unlikely that an alien race would resemble humans or even be humanoid.

Does the Bible mention additional eyes, antlers, tentacles on the person of the Messiah?

Well, Jesus is obviously Nyarlathotep*, and Nyarlathotep can and does have tentacles, so...
*TG me for why.

[Telsia]

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour(

Which isn't using another person's body without their consent.

Try again.

Is said individual using another person's body without their consent? Then yes.

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour( which unless your telekenetic, will be using another humans body, if you let them die by refusing to care for the disabled person,you would be commiting a criminal offence-in any western country- which would be a use of their body without the consent of the (Negligent) carer.).

No mate, you try again, Everyone can cut & paste half an answer to make it invalid.

Use some of that brimming intellect you have there, after all your parents and society has spent too much on your development for you to be so palid and Irrelevant to such an import debate about the state of human life in today's society.

[Mavorpen]

No mate, you try again, Everyone can cut & paste half an answer to make it invalid.

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour(

Which isn't using another person's body without their consent.

Try again.

I'll wait for you to actually respond.

[Telsia]

They are a "burden" requiring a person to spend time, money and Labour( which unless your telekenetic, will be using another humans body, if you let them die by refusing to care for the disabled person,you would be commiting a criminal offence-in any western country- which would be a use of their body without the consent of the (Negligent) carer.).

which is not the same as using that persons body against their will, when that does occur, say with conjoined twins, then YES we do euthanize the non-conscious one to give the other a decent life.

When you are forced to care for another human life, against your wishes, with threat of imprisonment and all that entails, then they are using the cares body without their consent.

[Mavorpen]

When you are forced to care for another human life, against your wishes, with threat of imprisonment and all that entails, then they are using the cares body without their consent.

What are you talking about? Who is being forced against their wishes?

[Telsia]

When you are forced to care for another human life, against your wishes, with threat of imprisonment and all that entails, then they are using the cares body without their consent.

What are you talking about? Who is being forced against their wishes?

Okay, say a 27 year old had an accident thats left him/her in a (near) Vegetative state and the 25 year old sibbling is the only family left to care for him(parents dead) the 25yld would be the legal guardian and required to provide care for the 27yld. The 25yld cant afford a nurse or to place the 27 in a care facility and because the 27 has a family member, so is not entitled governmental care.

So the 25yld is in legal bondage to the disabled sibbling, required by law to care for another human being under threat to their person & liberty.

So would you execute(put-down) the 27year old to placate the 25 year old?

[Mavorpen]

What are you talking about? Who is being forced against their wishes?

Okay, say a 27 year old had an accident thats left him/her in a (near) Vegetative state and the 25 year old sibbling is the only family left to care for him(parents dead) the 25yld would be the legal guardian and required to provide care for the 27yld. The 25yld cant afford a nurse or to place the 27 in a care facility and because the 27 has a family member, so is not entitled governmental care.

So the 25yld is in legal bondage to the disabled sibbling, required by law to care for another human being under threat to their person & liberty.

So would you execute(put-down) the 27year old to placate the 25 year old?

First demonstrate this hypothetical is possible.

[Telsia]

Okay, say a 27 year old had an accident thats left him/her in a (near) Vegetative state and the 25 year old sibbling is the only family left to care for him(parents dead) the 25yld would be the legal guardian and required to provide care for the 27yld. The 25yld cant afford a nurse or to place the 27 in a care facility and because the 27 has a family member, so is not entitled governmental care.

So the 25yld is in legal bondage to the disabled sibbling, required by law to care for another human being under threat to their person & liberty.

So would you execute(put-down) the 27year old to placate the 25 year old?

First demonstrate this hypothetical is possible.

Where? And how long will I have before you'll lose your Interest?

[Landenburg]

Abortion I feel should not really be allowed but in certain cases (i.e. rape). If you don't want the child, put them up for adoption.

Capital punishment however should be allowed. There are murderers, rapists, and others that really should not be walking our streets.

[Mavorpen]

First demonstrate this hypothetical is possible.

Where? And how long will I have before you'll lose your Interest?

Source they aren't entitled to government services and he's required by law to take care of him.

[Kilobugya]

There is a fundamental difference between the two, in the fact that an embryo is not a person (it doesn't think, feel, have emotions, personality, memories, hopes, dreams, it doesn't make plans, art, ... in short, it doesn't have anything that makes a person a person) while a criminal, however wrong he may be, is still a person.

[Ceannairceach]

Abortion I feel should not really be allowed but in certain cases (i.e. rape). If you don't want the child, put them up for adoption.

Capital punishment however should be allowed. There are murderers, rapists, and others that really should not be walking our streets.

Fetuses can be classified as rapists due to their invasion of the bodily sovereignty of the woman.

Many won't be walking our streets. That is what life in prison exists for, and it is cheaper to lock someone up and throw away the key, and less likely to result in an innocent being executed, than it is to go through the ordeal of sentencing them to death.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Okay, say a 27 year old had an accident thats left him/her in a (near) Vegetative state and the 25 year old sibbling is the only family left to care for him(parents dead) the 25yld would be the legal guardian and required to provide care for the 27yld. The 25yld cant afford a nurse or to place the 27 in a care facility and because the 27 has a family member, so is not entitled governmental care.

So the 25yld is in legal bondage to the disabled sibbling, required by law to care for another human being under threat to their person & liberty.

So would you execute(put-down) the 27year old to placate the 25 year old?

What happened to hospitals?

[Telsia]

Where? And how long will I have before you'll lose your Interest?

Source they aren't entitled to government services and he's required by law to take care of him.

Wikipedia said

In the United States today there are
approximately 61.6 million people
(referenced above) who are caring at home
for family members including elderly
parents, and spouses and children with
disabilities and/or chronic illnesses.
Without this home-care, most of these
cared for loved ones would require
permanent placement in institutions or
health care facilities at great cost to
society.

There's part of it right there.

[Mavorpen]

Source they aren't entitled to government services and he's required by law to take care of him.

Wikipedia said

In the United States today there are
approximately 61.6 million people
(referenced above) who are caring at home
for family members including elderly
parents, and spouses and children with
disabilities and/or chronic illnesses.
Without this home-care, most of these
cared for loved ones would require
permanent placement in institutions or
health care facilities at great cost to
society.

There's part of it right there.

Yeah, that answers utterly nothing. It doesn't say those people cannot get government services, just that they don't.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Abortion I feel should not really be allowed but in certain cases (i.e. rape). If you don't want the child, put them up for adoption.

Capital punishment however should be allowed. There are murderers, rapists, and others that really should not be walking our streets.

Adoption is all well and great, however you're forgetting the part where that doesn't solve the issue of not wanting to be pregnant and give birth, and the fact that just like how a rapist doesn't get the right to use my body, neither does a fetus.