Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Frisivisia]

My stance is anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, pro anything to keep humans alive. So if a necessary abortion would be needed to save a mother, then it must be done.

I am pretty much for this to, how ever i think in cases of rape and if the child will have a bad life, like mother is poor then it should be done to.

Rape babies and poor babies are worthless.

[Sociobiology]

the same reason you remove a twin from another even though there is no health risk forcing it, it significantly increases the quality of life of the surviving twin, and the lost twins severely compromised life is not considered justification for keeping the potentially free twin enslaved as a support device.

two you can take all reasonable measure against pregnancy and still end up pregnant.

That is something i would just call murder as it is a bit different from what you mentioned.

which means you have no respect for quality of life, why not just abduct people off the street to supply organs, after all they can save dozens of lives.
we don't because quality of life and living full people trump potentials and the severely compromised.

Also yes, it is possible, but then like i said, if any of the parents wants to keep it, it should be kept.

once they develop the tech to transfer it to the man, sure, but the woman's body is not the mans to control.
his desire for her body means absolutely nothing.

[Ceannairceach]

So the unborn child is somehow worth less if its poor or the product of rape?

If you're going to be against women's bodily sovereignty, at least don't be discriminatory about it.

No, but it is simply cruel to bring a child into the world who might starve to death/live a horrible abusive childhood and become a mentally and physically scarred adult/become addicted to drugs, homeless, etc.

It is equally horrible to enslave women to the unthinking nonpersons we call "fetuses", but you advocate for that.

[Seitonjin]

My stance is anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, pro anything to keep humans alive. So if a necessary abortion would be needed to save a mother, then it must be done.

I am pretty much for this to, how ever i think in cases of rape and if the child will have a bad life, like mother is poor then it should be done to.

Cases of rape should leave the mother able to choose whether or not she wants the abortion.

You can say I'm this wishy washy, flip flopping when it comes to social issues like abortion and death penalty.

I am pretty much for this to, how ever i think in cases of rape and if the child will have a bad life, like mother is poor then it should be done to.

So the unborn child is somehow worth less if its poor or the product of rape?

If you're going to be against women's bodily sovereignty, at least don't be discriminatory about it.

Rape-let them choose

harm to mother-mother seems to be more important as she is a functioning member of society

[Seitonjin]

So the unborn child is somehow worth less if its poor or the product of rape?

If you're going to be against women's bodily sovereignty, at least don't be discriminatory about it.

No, but it is simply cruel to bring a child into the world who might starve to death/live a horrible abusive childhood and become a mentally and physically scarred adult/become addicted to drugs, homeless, etc.

That is why we boost the help services.

[Jamessonia]

No, but it is simply cruel to bring a child into the world who might starve to death/live a horrible abusive childhood and become a mentally and physically scarred adult/become addicted to drugs, homeless, etc.

That is why we boost the help services.

When that is done successfully, this problem will be erased. Until then, I'm sticking with this.

[Blasveck]

I am not against the death penalty in itself, if we had a way of making sure that every convicted criminal was guilty.

So, just wondering, if we caught Osama bin Laden alive, and he had a trial and was found guilty, and his punishment was up to you, would you condemn him to death?

Would I kill Osama bin Laden?

My answer, however controversial, is no.

Why?

Killing anyone, even a terrorist, makes me no better than him. He has a family too, however surprising that is. His family cares. Killing him takes him away from his family, and makes me no better than he is.

[Tyriece]

I am pretty much for this to, how ever i think in cases of rape and if the child will have a bad life, like mother is poor then it should be done to.

So the unborn child is somehow worth less if its poor or the product of rape?

If you're going to be against women's bodily sovereignty, at least don't be discriminatory about it.

Your 2 statements contradict each other. The whole point is for them to decide, not saying they HAVE to get a abortion if there poor or raped (i should reword it)

[Ceannairceach]

Rape-let them choose

harm to mother-mother seems to be more important as she is a functioning member of society

All pregnancies harm mothers and have the potential to be fatal. By that reasoning, abortion should be made available for all women on demand.

[Seitonjin]

That is why we boost the help services.

When that is done successfully, this problem will be erased. Until then, I'm sticking with this.

If you want to be pro-life, be fucking consistent.

In this case it's welfare spending for the survival of all human beings of society as we call it.

[Jamessonia]

So, just wondering, if we caught Osama bin Laden alive, and he had a trial and was found guilty, and his punishment was up to you, would you condemn him to death?

Would I kill Osama bin Laden?

My answer, however controversial, is no.

Why?

Killing anyone, even a terrorist, makes me no better than him. He has a family too, however surprising that is. His family cares. Killing him takes him away from his family, and makes me no better than he is.

I disagree. He put his family and his life at risk when he became a terrorist responsible for (probably) thousands of deaths.

[Seitonjin]

Rape-let them choose

harm to mother-mother seems to be more important as she is a functioning member of society

All pregnancies harm mothers and have the potential to be fatal. By that reasoning, abortion should be made available for all women on demand.

If that's the case, so be it. I won't stop anyone.

I went from pro-life to pro choice in five posts. New record.

[Ceannairceach]

So the unborn child is somehow worth less if its poor or the product of rape?

If you're going to be against women's bodily sovereignty, at least don't be discriminatory about it.

Your 2 statements contradict each other. The whole point is for them to decide, not saying they HAVE to get a abortion if there poor or raped (i should reword it)

No, but you do imply that it is acceptable for them to kill their offspring, while the same is not true for non-rape offspring and the offspring of the wealthy. This means that they are worth less than rich, non-rape children, who must be protected.

[Blasveck]

Would I kill Osama bin Laden?

My answer, however controversial, is no.

Why?

Killing anyone, even a terrorist, makes me no better than him. He has a family too, however surprising that is. His family cares. Killing him takes him away from his family, and makes me no better than he is.

I disagree. He put his family and his life at risk when he became a terrorist responsible for (probably) thousands of deaths.

Think of all the daughter and sons, brothers and sisters, all the families that died in 9/11.

Who would we be by stooping to his level, and taking him awy from his family.

I'm not saying we let him get away Scott free, but killing him won't do justice.

[Tsmida Eri]

Abortion is murder, life begins at conception.

Capital Punishment is necessary when dealing with true sinners.

[Seitonjin]

Your 2 statements contradict each other. The whole point is for them to decide, not saying they HAVE to get a abortion if there poor or raped (i should reword it)

No, but you do imply that it is acceptable for them to kill their offspring, while the same is not true for non-rape offspring and the offspring of the wealthy. This means that they are worth less than rich, non-rape children, who must be protected.

Children, no matter whom or where they come from, must be protected after birth is an obligation of those that support the pro-life movement.

[Tyriece]

Your 2 statements contradict each other. The whole point is for them to decide, not saying they HAVE to get a abortion if there poor or raped (i should reword it)

No, but you do imply that it is acceptable for them to kill their offspring, while the same is not true for non-rape offspring and the offspring of the wealthy. This means that they are worth less than rich, non-rape children, who must be protected.

I am giving a example (1 out of many) as to WHY they might get a abortion. So yes when you are so poor that you cant survive on your own, let alone a child...then ya.

[Blasveck]

Abortion is murder, life begins at conception.

Capital Punishment is necessary when dealing with true sinners.

Sin has nothing to do with our legal system.

[Jamessonia]

I disagree. He put his family and his life at risk when he became a terrorist responsible for (probably) thousands of deaths.

Think of all the daughter and sons, brothers and sisters, all the families that died in 9/11.

Who would we be by stooping to his level, and taking him awy from his family.

I'm not saying we let him get away Scott free, but killing him won't do justice.

The difference is that those people were innocent. They were being punished for no crime except being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Ceannairceach]

Abortion is murder, life begins at conception.

Capital Punishment is necessary when dealing with true sinners.

Abortion, in the United States at least, is legal, and is thus not murder by definition.

The status of their sins does not weigh in on the decision to execute someone.

[Tsmida Eri]

I disagree. He put his family and his life at risk when he became a terrorist responsible for (probably) thousands of deaths.

Think of all the daughter and sons, brothers and sisters, all the families that died in 9/11.

Who would we be by stooping to his level, and taking him awy from his family.

I'm not saying we let him get away Scott free, but killing him won't do justice.

So what? If he was still alive, he'd be in a prison in GITMO, and no prison can secure everyone.

He'd probably break out and kill even more innocent people. That's not justice. Killing may be a sin, but it's better to kill killers than to let them keep on killing.

[Seitonjin]

Abortion is murder, life begins at conception.

Capital Punishment is necessary when dealing with true sinners.

Sin does not apply to secular states.

[Ausira]

Abortion is murder, life begins at conception.

Capital Punishment is necessary when dealing with true sinners.

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Whatever happened to "ONLY JESUS CAN JUDGE LIFE OR DEATH"?

[Solarys]

That is something i would just call murder as it is a bit different from what you mentioned.

which means you have no respect for quality of life, why not just abduct people off the street to supply organs, after all they can save dozens of lives.
we don't because quality of life and living full people trump potentials and the severely compromised.

Also yes, it is possible, but then like i said, if any of the parents wants to keep it, it should be kept.

once they develop the tech to transfer it to the man, sure, but the woman's body is not the mans to control.
his desire for her body means absolutely nothing.

1) Depending upon who we are abducting i might not be against it.

2) Then she shouldn't have married him to begin with.
"Gay people don't destroy the sanctity of marriage, you people do".

(Just felt like adding that quote for no particular reason.

[Einsiev]

I am for Capital Punishment but anti Abortion.