Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Mavorpen]

if the slaves had the mental development of a tadpole, yes.

Even if they don't remain that way for more than 10 months ?

And if your reply is that when that happens, they can be considered persons, then the only problem is that until then they could be legally murdered thus rendered unable to even get to that point in life.

You can't be legally murdered. Murder is by definition illegal.

[Sociobiology]

So if slaves are not considered legally persons, would you agree ?

According to Hitler Jews aren't people, can I go around killing Jews?

if you can find a consistent and rational defintiion of person that somehow excludes Jews

[Iuronia]

if the slaves had the mental development of a tadpole, yes.

Even if they don't remain that way for more than 10 months ?

And if your reply is that when that happens, they can be considered persons, then the only problem is that until then they could be legally murdered thus rendered unable to even get to that point in life.

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

[The Norgan Alliance]

According to Hitler Jews aren't people, can I go around killing Jews?

if you can find a consistent and rational definition of person that somehow excludes Jews

Can you find a consistent and rational definition of a person that somehow excludes fetuses?

[The ivain isles]

Even if they don't remain that way for more than 10 months ?

And if your reply is that when that happens, they can be considered persons, then the only problem is that until then they could be legally murdered thus rendered unable to even get to that point in life.

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

Like I said before, there antelopes.

[Solarys]

Even if they don't remain that way for more than 10 months ?

And if your reply is that when that happens, they can be considered persons, then the only problem is that until then they could be legally murdered thus rendered unable to even get to that point in life.

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

[Mavorpen]

if you can find a consistent and rational definition of person that somehow excludes Jews

Can you find a consistent and rational definition of a person that somehow excludes fetuses?

A person is an individual that is ascribed certain rights and obligations based off of their capacity to comprehend and act upon them.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

[Mavorpen]

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

So every cell in your body is a human?

[The Norgan Alliance]

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

So every cell in your body is a human?

You know what I meant.

[The ivain isles]

Can you find a consistent and rational definition of a person that somehow excludes fetuses?

A person is an individual that is ascribed certain rights and obligations based off of their capacity to comprehend and act upon them.

So those with intellectual disabilities aren't people, and shouldn't be afforded protections under law?

[New Libertarian States]

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Human
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Fetus
Nope
It can turn into a human, but, for the biological definition, it's not.
It looks and sounds like a duck, but it isn't a duck.

[The ivain isles]

So every cell in your body is a human?

You know what I meant.

You forgot the first rule of NS. Only liberals can get away with being snide.

[Sociobiology]

if the slaves had the mental development of a tadpole, yes.

Even if they don't remain that way for more than 10 months ?

And if your reply is that when that happens, they can be considered persons, then the only problem is that until then they could be legally murdered thus rendered unable to even get to that point in life.

actually most fetuses never develop, so statistically they are unlikely to make it to that point.
And no they can't be legally murdered, they can be legally prevented from maturing just as you prevent dozens of people from being born every time you refuse to have sex.
Should we force you to become a brood mare for humans to keep you from "murdering" thousands of unborn children by refusing sex?
should condoms be illegal because they also prevent humans from being born?

to me personally, a rat has as much worth a human fetus. with its potential providing just enough compensation to make up for its lack of a mind and lack of an independent nature.

[Mavorpen]

So those with intellectual disabilities aren't people, and shouldn't be afforded protections under law?

I have no idea where the fuck you're getting that from.

[New Libertarian States]

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

That's not what defines humans as humans.
Here's what makes us, well us.
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Human

[Blasveck]

Slaves are people, just without official personhood or whatever, unlike foetuses, which aren't even human, let alone a person.

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

And the egg of a frog is a frog?

No, it's a goddamn egg, not a frog.

[Sociobiology]

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

therefore tumors are people...

[Geilinor]

So every cell in your body is a human?

You know what I meant.

You're expected to have somewhat coherent statements, we can't just guess what people might be thinking on the Internet.

[The Norgan Alliance]

The fetus of a human is human. And it is a person just without official personhood or whatever.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Human
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Fetus
Nope
It can turn into a human, but, for the biological definition, it's not.
It looks and sounds like a duck, but it isn't a duck.

And if it weighs the same as a duck, then it's a witch!

Following your logic children aren't humans because the biological definition doesn't match! The biological definitions do not have to match because it's merely a classification of the early stages of life for a human.

[Blasveck]

You know what I meant.

You forgot the first rule of NS. Only liberals can get away with being snide.

You forgot the second rule of NS.

Don't make stupid assumptions.

[Geilinor]

If it's DNA is human then it is a human no if, ands, or buts.

therefore tumors are people...

Don't forget the appendix.

[ALMF]

And "those child sacrificing Jues" deni the divinity the divinity of Crist. Your point?

You did relate your answer in any way to my post therefore your argument is invalid. Try again.

Not at all: let me make the metofor an explicit simaly.
DNA (as opposed to phisicle independents) is to an indivigule (and thereby person/intrist)
as Juw (as opposed to serial child killer) is to habitually kills children (and thereby deserves to die).

Do I really need to make my metifors this transparent or can we expect a 5th grade reading levle?

[ALMF]

if you can find a consistent and rational definition of person that somehow excludes Jews

Can you find a consistent and rational definition of a person that somehow excludes fetuses?

All of the consistent and rational definitions do: a priory.

[Blasveck]

You did relate your answer in any way to my post therefore your argument is invalid. Try again.

Not at all: let me make the metofor an explicit simaly.
DNA (as opposed to phisicle independents) is to an indivigule (and thereby person/intrist)
as Juw (as opposed to serial child killer) is to habitually kills children (and thereby deserves to die).

Do I really need to make my metifors this transparent or can we expect a 5th grade reading levle?

>5th grade reading level
>Can't even spell