Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Solarys]

For the stability of life, we need abortion to be legal.

No we don't. That is to let those who do foolish things get away without paying for their actions.

Legally, maybe not. But murder can be used synonymously for killing someone or something.

No, it cannot. Anyone who uses it in that context is misusing the term.

Dictionary says otherwise. And do note that we are not talking the legality of it.

[Ceannairceach]

Dictionary says otherwise. And do note that we are not talking the legality of it.

Yes, we are. You have made it clear you would want to make abortion illegal.

But regardless, abortion is not illegal, is not done with malice, and is not done on a person. Thus, it cannot be murder.

[Zottistan]

Keyword. Potential.

It absolutely has the POTENTIAL to become a human being.

Except it isn't until it can survive outside of the womb.

And that is why i am saying that if a medical reason prevents it from developing into a normal baby or if it endangers the life of the mother, sure. Otherwise no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Like I said. Mutations happen.

Like i said, give a source that it can happen (not mutations/evolution)

Mutations and evolution are a source that it can happen.

You understand how evolution works, yeah?

[Solarys]

Dictionary says otherwise. And do note that we are not talking the legality of it.

Yes, we are. You have made it clear you would want to make abortion illegal.

As in, not the legal definition of murder.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

For the stability of life, we need abortion to be legal.

No we don't. That is to let those who do foolish things get away without paying for their actions.

Abortion is paying for your actions.
Like I said, sex is not a crime, children should not be punishments.

[Ceannairceach]

Yes, we are. You have made it clear you would want to make abortion illegal.

As in, not the legal definition of murder.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Regardless, you are misusing the term, even though there is truly only one definition of murder that could even be applicable to abortion. What you have just confessed to, really, is using a buzzword that you know is wrong to rile people up.

[Solarys]

But regardless, abortion is not illegal, is not done with malice, and is not done on a person. Thus, it cannot be murder.

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

[Ceannairceach]

But regardless, abortion is not illegal, is not done with malice, and is not done on a person. Thus, it cannot be murder.

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

Might eventually become a person maybe =/= a person.

Intention very much matters. Go study a few things about law, then get back to us.

[The ivain isles]

On an off note, nobodies told me what species a foetus belongs to yet.

[Solarys]

Abortion is paying for your actions.
Like I said, sex is not a crime, children should not be punishments.

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

But regardless, abortion is not illegal, is not done with malice, and is not done on a person. Thus, it cannot be murder.

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

If it's murder because "intention rarely matters," then forced birth is both slavery and rape, because intention rarely matters.

[Ceannairceach]

Abortion is paying for your actions.
Like I said, sex is not a crime, children should not be punishments.

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

So how many unwanted children are you going to adopt, precisely?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Abortion is paying for your actions.
Like I said, sex is not a crime, children should not be punishments.

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

Again, sex is not a crime.
And again, abortion is taking care of the consequences.

[New haven america]

But regardless, abortion is not illegal, is not done with malice, and is not done on a person. Thus, it cannot be murder.

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

Fetus's aren't people.

[Solarys]

Might eventually become a person maybe =/= a person.

Intention very much matters. Go study a few things about law, then get back to us.

1) All the same, unless you can prove that it can't become a person due to medical complications.

2) The end result is the same. Doesn't matter if you kill someone out of love or hate, you killed them and they are dead.

[New haven america]

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

Again, sex is not a crime.
And again, abortion is taking care of the consequences.

You make it sound like abortion is a horrible crime.

[The Tovian Way]

Is there anyone here that is against both abortion and capital punishment. I am against both. I think it is ironic to be either pro-choice and against capital punishment or pro-life and for capital punishment. I want to know if there are any people like me here.

I'm also fully against both. The state should prohibit abortion in all cases except where medically necessary to save the life of the mother, and the state should never execute anyone as punishment for a crime.

[Divair]

1) All the same, unless you can prove that it can't become a person due to medical complications.

So you're a corpse, right? Unless you can prove that you won't become one due to complications.

[Solarys]

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

If it's murder because "intention rarely matters," then forced birth is both slavery and rape, because intention rarely matters.

Then that is the better alternative.

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

Again, sex is not a crime.
And again, abortion is taking care of the consequences.

And my reply is going to be just the same too.

Raising the child would be paying for your crimes. Abortion will be trying to dodge the consequence.

So how many unwanted children are you going to adopt, precisely?

None. And it matters because ?

[Ceannairceach]

Might eventually become a person maybe =/= a person.

Intention very much matters. Go study a few things about law, then get back to us.

1) All the same, unless you can prove that it can't become a person due to medical complications.

2) The end result is the same. Doesn't matter if you kill someone out of love or hate, you killed them and they are dead.

No, it isn't the same. And that's the point. The fetus, as a nonperson, cannot come before the living person in this scenario, the mother. End of story.

Tell that to the courts.

[Solarys]

1) All the same, unless you can prove that it can't become a person due to medical complications.

So you're a corpse, right? Unless you can prove that you won't become one due to complications.

Look at me, i am made of straw and i am a man. I am, wait for it... a strawman.

[Divair]

So you're a corpse, right? Unless you can prove that you won't become one due to complications.

Look at me, i am made of straw and i am a man. I am, wait for it... a strawman.

But it's "all the same". Unless you would like to draw arbitrary lines.

[Ceannairceach]

So how many unwanted children are you going to adopt, precisely?

None. And it matters because ?

Because that child will thus be living a shitty life, and unless you're willing to care for it, it may as well already be dead. You don't care about the fetus or baby at all; You just want to shame those dirty sluts for daring to have sex.

[Seitonjin]

So you're a corpse, right? Unless you can prove that you won't become one due to complications.

Look at me, i am made of straw and i am a man. I am, wait for it... a strawman.

Burn baby burn.

[The ivain isles]

Like i said, it is done one something that can become a person, so you are essentially depriving it of life and intention rarely matters when you are killing someone.

Fetus's aren't people.

So if they're not human, what are they? ETs? Antelopes? Wookiees?