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F-35?

Is shit
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No, seriously, it's bad
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HIGHER NUMBER = BETTER. F-35 FTW
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The F-35 failed performance tests, so they were made easier

Postby Divair » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:23 am

Welcome to the military-industrial complex of America.


http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-pe ... arbage-can


The Pentagon's pursuit of the Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter jet has been a heartbreaking one. If you're a tax payer, the program's estimated $1 trillion price tag probably breaks your heart a little bit. If you're an aviation enthusiast, the constant whittling away of the do-it-all aircraft's features, which in many cases actually amounts to adding weight and taking away maneuverability, must hurt a little bit, too.

If you're just an everyday American, though, you should be downright shattered that after a decade and a fortune spent, the F-35 will actually be more vulnerable than the aircraft it's replacing. At this point, the Pentagon is literally rewriting its rulebook so that the dumbed-down super jet will pass muster.

The Defense Department's annual weapons testing report reveals that the military actually adjusted the performance specifications for the consistently-underperforming line of F-35 fighter jets. In other words, they couldn't get the jets to do what they were supposed to do, so they just changed what they were supposed to do.

"The program announced an intention to change performance specifications for the F-35A, reducing turn performance from 5.3 to 4.6 sustained g’s and extending the time for acceleration from 0.8 Mach to 1.2 Mach by eight seconds," reads the report drafted under J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation. (The F-35A is the standard model, so to speak, that the Air Force will use. The line also includes the F-35B, the Harrier-like vertical landing version built for the Marines, and the F-35C, a Navy version that's optimized for aircraft carrier takeoffs and landings.)

To put it bluntly, the Pentagon's new trillion-dollar fighter jet doesn't go a fast as it should, doesn't turn as sharp as it should and doesn't handle as nimbly as it should. This is bad news, explains Wired's David Axe. For the pilots who will eventually take the F-35 into combat, the JSF’s reduced performance means they might not be able to outfly and outfight the latest Russian- and Chinese-made fighters," writes Axe. "Even before the downgrades, some analysts questioned the F-35′s ability to defeat newer Sukhoi and Shenyang jets." That all sounds like bad news, doesn't it? If our expensive new jets can't beat the Russians or the Chinese, who can we fight? I'm pretty sure al Qaeda doesn't have an air force.

The good news in the new Pentagon report is that... well, there is no good news, really. Not only have the requirements been adjusted down to make up for the F-35's poor performance, but a series of problems with the plane's software and safety measures hint at future downgrades to the jet, including adding on heavy hardware that will make the planes even more sluggish. That's what you get when you try to design a single plane to do everything–ironically enough, which was done partly to cut development costs. At least they still look cool.




$1 trillion wasted on this project while the USA is falling behind on public education and infrastructure. Wtf Congress.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:29 am

it's a piece of shit

every random person i've talked to says it's a piece of shit

every military person i've talked to says it's a piece of shit

it's a piece of shit

not sure what else i can say really

e: forgot to mention it's a piece of shit
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Postby Risottia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:30 am

Divair wrote: (snip)

Long story made short, the F-35 is a garbage can.

I've been telling everyone so for years.

$1 trillion wasted on this project while the USA is falling behind on public education and infrastructure. Wtf Congress.

No wonder how Italy is considering to drop it, too.

Can't we just buy some Su-34s and Su-25s as stopgaps for a future Tornado II and a future Harrier III ? We could also join the Ruskies and develop the Yak-141 into something workable...
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Postby Agritum » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:30 am

Risottia wrote:
Divair wrote: (snip)

Long story made short, the F-35 is a garbage can.

I've been telling everyone so for years.

$1 trillion wasted on this project while the USA is falling behind on public education and infrastructure. Wtf Congress.

No wonder how Italy is considering to drop it, too.

Can't we just buy some Su-34s and Su-25s as stopgaps for a future Tornado II and a future Harrier III ? We could also join the Ruskies and develop the Yak-141 into something workable...

Invest all our military research money on producing a successor to the Eurofighter.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:31 am

Souseiseki wrote:it's a piece of shit

every random person i've talked to says it's a piece of shit

every military person i've talked to says it's a piece of shit

it's a piece of shit

not sure what else i can say really

e: forgot to mention it's a piece of shit


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Postby Divair » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:31 am

Agritum wrote:
Risottia wrote:Long story made short, the F-35 is a garbage can.

I've been telling everyone so for years.


No wonder how Italy is considering to drop it, too.

Can't we just buy some Su-34s and Su-25s as stopgaps for a future Tornado II and a future Harrier III ? We could also join the Ruskies and develop the Yak-141 into something workable...

Invest all our military research money on producing a successor to the Eurofighter.

Speaking of which..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI
Turns out the Eurofighter is better than the F-35.

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Postby New Besancon » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:34 am

I live on an airforce base, and honestly, the is no need for the F-35. A plane that can take off vertically would be nice in combat, but until a there is a war in which the enemy can damage our airstrips, it is a waist of time and money.
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:35 am

What's wrong with the jets we had before?

I mean I get the B-3 and B-4 projects. The B-2 was formally put out of service, so we need an immediate replacement AND a good replacement.

But this?
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Postby New Kotayk » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:35 am

At least the oxygen system works!

* Cough * F-22. * Cough *

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Postby Agritum » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:36 am

New Besancon wrote:I live on an airforce base, and honestly, the is no need for the F-35. A plane that can take off vertically would be nice in combat, but until a there is a war in which the enemy can damage our airstrips, it is a waist of time and money.

You know, if you have VTOL needs, you could easily fancy a reliable Harrier.

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Postby New Besancon » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 am

I must agree with that, yes.
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 am

Agritum wrote:
New Besancon wrote:I live on an airforce base, and honestly, the is no need for the F-35. A plane that can take off vertically would be nice in combat, but until a there is a war in which the enemy can damage our airstrips, it is a waist of time and money.

You know, if you have VTOL needs, you could easily fancy a reliable Harrier.


Or a helicopter.
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Postby Divair » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 am

Agritum wrote:
New Besancon wrote:I live on an airforce base, and honestly, the is no need for the F-35. A plane that can take off vertically would be nice in combat, but until a there is a war in which the enemy can damage our airstrips, it is a waist of time and money.

You know, if you have VTOL needs, you could easily fancy a reliable Harrier.

Only $30 million per unit, too. Instead of wasting $1 trillion on an unnecessary program.

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Postby Benomia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 am

Agritum wrote:
New Besancon wrote:I live on an airforce base, and honestly, the is no need for the F-35. A plane that can take off vertically would be nice in combat, but until a there is a war in which the enemy can damage our airstrips, it is a waist of time and money.

You know, if you have VTOL needs, you could easily fancy a reliable Harrier.


Or that weird thingy...what was it called? The Swan, or something like that?
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Postby Divair » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:39 am

Benomia wrote:
Agritum wrote:You know, if you have VTOL needs, you could easily fancy a reliable Harrier.


Or that weird thingy...what was it called? The Swan, or something like that?

Try checking here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VTOL_aircraft

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Postby Risottia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:40 am

Agritum wrote:
Risottia wrote:Long story made short, the F-35 is a garbage can.

I've been telling everyone so for years.


No wonder how Italy is considering to drop it, too.

Can't we just buy some Su-34s and Su-25s as stopgaps for a future Tornado II and a future Harrier III ? We could also join the Ruskies and develop the Yak-141 into something workable...

Invest all our military research money on producing a successor to the Eurofighter.


Meh, no. The Eurofighter is an air-superiority fighter with secondary ground attack capability - and it won't need replacements for at least 20 years. The F-35 was supposed to replace our ground attack aircrafts such as the MM's Harriers and the AM's Tornado - and eventually the AM's AMX, too. The problem is that no-one is producing the spare parts for Harriers and Tornados anymore, and that the airframes are getting too old.
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Postby Meritocratic States » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:42 am

I used to think the plane a good upgrade to Canada's Royal Canadian Air Force (Its CF-18s are awesome enough).

But in light of recent developments in F-35 program, I am now having second thoughts.
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Postby Radiatia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:44 am

The article is wrong because it doesn't look cool. As someone who knows nothing whatsoever about military stuff and those flying metal birds, I can tell you what does and doesn't look cool.

B-2 Spirits look cool. (I saw one flying overhead a few weeks ago when I drove near Edwards Air Force Base.) F-117 Nighthawks look cool. F-35s look like every other fighter jet ever made except more boring.

And that is my drunk statement of the night, I'm going to bed now before I embarrass myself further.

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Postby Little Flowers » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:45 am

reliable Harrier

Lol
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Postby Risottia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:47 am

Radiatia wrote:And that is my drunk statement of the night, I'm going to bed now before I embarrass myself further.

No worry, we'll be spying on you all night to embarrass you further tomorrow. ;)
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:50 am

New Kotayk wrote:At least the oxygen system works!

* Cough * F-22. * Cough *


The military conducts tests between the two leading fighter jets every few years, and when it came up to the F-22, it when against the F-23. But even though the F-23 was safer and easier to make, they chose the F-22 believing in was "More Advanced."
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:52 am

*snrrk*
That's what a lot of US top of the line stuff is like, innit. Polished turds and hype.
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New Besancon wrote:
New Kotayk wrote:At least the oxygen system works!

* Cough * F-22. * Cough *


The military conducts tests between the two leading fighter jets every few years, and when it came up to the F-22, it when against the F-23. But even though the F-23 was safer and easier to make, they chose the F-22 believing in was "More Advanced."


I will NEVER understand why the USAF didn't just ask for a reduced-RCS version of that mother of a fighter that is the F-15.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:55 am

Little Flowers wrote:reliable Harrier

Lol


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