The Main Cause of School Shootings

[Hairless Kitten II]

I would personally be willing to kill someone for stealing an Euro from me, but besides that: Why should one put oneself at the mercy of a burglar, when you are not even aware of his intentions? I would personally not give a shit about statistics. I would do what I could do neutralize the threat rather than hiding in a closet sobbing like a little sissy faggot.

So that's the real issue. You consider hiding sissy behavior to a point where you don't care about statistics that say a gun isn't actually protecting your family. I consider violence wrong unless you're absolutely 100% you're in mortal peril. That's where we differ.

In a situation where I might have to use self-defense to keep myself and my family alive, I won't rely on the good will of the home invader to spare us, no matter what statistics say.

Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.

Of the 30,694 Americans who died by gunfire in 2005, only 147 were killed by firearms (and only 123 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.

A study reviewing surveys of gun use in the U.S. determined that most self-reported self-defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society

http://www.lcav.org/resources/gun_viole ... tics.asp#7

[ChengISao]

Not to distract from the obvious polarization of "Gun Control" arguments, but I personally feel the rise in uncontrolled kids is due directly to both parents and teachers hands being tied from teaching discipline and respect of authority. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Children need boundaries, otherwise the world is to confusing. Once they are adults, then they can choose their freedoms.

[Robarya]

Might.

How many times you already have used self-defens to keep yourself and your family alive?

I have had to step into one situation that got out of hand to protect a family member so far, but it was not a question of life and death fortunately.

And like I said, I wouldn't rely on statistics in a potentially life-threatening situation. I would rather control fate myself, rather than putting my hopes to the statistics to keep me & my family safe.

[Helgrin]

Might.

How many times you already have used self-defens to keep yourself and your family alive?

I have had to step into one situation that got out of hand to protect a family member so far, but it was not a question of life and death fortunately.

And like I said, I wouldn't rely on statistics in a potentially life-threatening situation. I would rather control fate myself, rather than putting my hopes to the statistics to keep me & my family safe.

But the chances are, when you are in a life threatening situation, you probably won't be able to get to your gun. Life is like that.

[The Magic Spirit]

I would personally be willing to kill someone for stealing an Euro from me, but besides that: Why should one put oneself at the mercy of a burglar, when you are not even aware of his intentions? I would personally not give a shit about statistics. I would do what I could do neutralize the threat rather than hiding in a closet sobbing like a little sissy faggot.

So that's the real issue. You consider hiding sissy behavior to a point where you don't care about statistics that say a gun isn't actually protecting your family. I consider violence wrong unless you're absolutely 100% you're in mortal peril. That's where we differ.

In a situation where I might have to use self-defense to keep myself and my family alive, I won't rely on the good will of the home invader to spare us, no matter what statistics say.

Not trusting a criminal is probably a good idea, but you're assuming there is a home invader to begin with. Do you know how likely you are to be burgled and how likely it is that person is armed?

To put things in perspective:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=car+accidents+US
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=US+murder+2002
You're 3 times more likely to die in a car accident than as the result of a homicide, yet people fear killers and have no trouble driving a car. Why? In a car you appear to be a control over what happens... The graph also shows that Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rates are down to a level similar to what it was over 30 years ago. In fact, according to the U.S. Dept. of Justice all crime stats are down (http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2009 ... t-anymore/)

Stop living in fear.

[Bottle]

Given that 99% of school shooters are male, I think the only logical conclusion is that boys are too emotional to be allowed to attend school.

[Czardas]

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullets.

Without bullets, there wouldn't be school shootings. Fact.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullets.

Without bullets, there wouldn't be school shootings. Fact.

We'd have school taserings instead, mind

[The Magic Spirit]

Might.

How many times you already have used self-defens to keep yourself and your family alive?

I have had to step into one situation that got out of hand to protect a family member so far, but it was not a question of life and death fortunately.

And like I said, I wouldn't rely on statistics in a potentially life-threatening situation. I would rather control fate myself, rather than putting my hopes to the statistics to keep me & my family safe.

That's text-book fear. You're overrating the chance of a potentially life-threatening situation occuring while you don't pay attention to real more likely occuring dangers.
Let's take some life-threatening situations:
1) Car accident
2) Getting struck by lightening
3) Heart disease
4) Abduction and murder by a serial killer
What do you do to protect yourself from those?

[Helgrin]

Might.

How many times you already have used self-defens to keep yourself and your family alive?

I have had to step into one situation that got out of hand to protect a family member so far, but it was not a question of life and death fortunately.

And like I said, I wouldn't rely on statistics in a potentially life-threatening situation. I would rather control fate myself, rather than putting my hopes to the statistics to keep me & my family safe.

That's text-book fear. You're overrating the chance of a potentially life-threatening situation occuring while you don't pay attention to real more likely occuring dangers.
Let's take some life-threatening situations:
1) Car accident
2) Getting struck by lightening
3) Heart disease
4) Abduction and murder by a serial killer
What do you do to protect yourself from those?

Power Armour!

[Czardas]

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullets.

Without bullets, there wouldn't be school shootings. Fact.

We'd have school taserings instead, mind

Yeah, or school knifings -- except in Britain, where knives are banned. If other places followed suit the little shits would get creative and start coming to school with morningstars, pepper spray, mace and chain, or crossbows.

Still, at least there won't be any more school shootings.

[Helgrin]

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullets.

Without bullets, there wouldn't be school shootings. Fact.

We'd have school taserings instead, mind

Yeah, or school knifings -- except in Britain, where knives are banned. If other places followed suit the little shits would get creative and start coming to school with morningstars, pepper spray, mace and chain, or crossbows.

Still, at least there won't be any more school shootings.

Yes there will!

[Czardas]

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullets.

Without bullets, there wouldn't be school shootings. Fact.

We'd have school taserings instead, mind

Yeah, or school knifings -- except in Britain, where knives are banned. If other places followed suit the little shits would get creative and start coming to school with morningstars, pepper spray, mace and chain, or crossbows.

Still, at least there won't be any more school shootings.

Yes there will!

Not really. Boltings, maybe.

[Nattakun]

Pysch Drugs.

[EmeriKa]

Pysch Drugs.

Srsly?

Let me get a gun!

[Robarya]

Might.

How many times you already have used self-defens to keep yourself and your family alive?

I have had to step into one situation that got out of hand to protect a family member so far, but it was not a question of life and death fortunately.

And like I said, I wouldn't rely on statistics in a potentially life-threatening situation. I would rather control fate myself, rather than putting my hopes to the statistics to keep me & my family safe.

That's text-book fear. You're overrating the chance of a potentially life-threatening situation occuring while you don't pay attention to real more likely occuring dangers.
Let's take some life-threatening situations:
1) Car accident
2) Getting struck by lightening
3) Heart disease
4) Abduction and murder by a serial killer
What do you do to protect yourself from those?

I'm not particularly worried about it happening, and I'm aware of that I'm at greater risk in traffic statistically. But traffic isn't as entertaining to speak about, is it? Besides, it is mostly hypothetical. I don't worry so much about it, but if a situation pops up I will naturally do whatever it takes, and I wouldn't exactly have qualms harming a stranger that not only violated my property but that also poses a potential threat.

[Bunyippie]

the thinking "IF we get rid of guns, then the violence stops" is quite flawed. Tell me, in the UK, where its hard to get a gun, do murders still occur? Yes they do.

Second, Bullying is a main cause, because it goes like this
Student A, usally a jock or other popular kid, bullies student B. Student B tells a teacher. Student B gets told to suck it up and/or nothing happens. Student A bullies student B worse. Student B, so angry that the school is allowing the bullying, walks into school with a shotgun and blows away as many people as he can, because they all laughed when he was being bullied.

Gun control won't help. Guns can be stolen or made at home. When columbine happened, the shooters walked into the caferteria and said "All Jocks please stand up!" And began to open fire. They also had two propane bombs that did not go off, if htey had, the entire school would have been leveled.

The main cause of it is teachers letting big name students get away with murder. The Jocks, the kids of rich/well connected parents have carte blanche is harass kids. The shooter is a loner, so he has no one to talk to. The parents are little help and the school is NO help! So the kid, feeling boxed in, decides to take everyone down with him. That is why most school shooters kill themselves, because they are suicidal but so angry at all the shit they were put through, decide to do some payback first.
And you know what? Due to the school shootings, thigns have changed. Do people think twice now? I think they do. That kid you called a fag the other day migth just walk into school tomorrow with an uzi and kill you. Or a shotgun. OR a pistol. Or simply a homemade shotgun. A pipe bomb, etc. When you are willing to kill an entire school, you will find a way to do it, despite gun laws. despite metal detectors. despite anything, when you want to die and want others to die with you, you will find a way.

[Hairless Kitten II]

the thinking "IF we get rid of guns, then the violence stops" is quite flawed. Tell me, in the UK, where its hard to get a gun, do murders still occur? Yes they do.

No one said that you would kill all killings when you kill killing guns.

In 2006, England & Wales had 59 people murdered by guns.
USA had 10,177 people murdered by guns.

You could scream: "That's not fair, USA is much bigger!"

So what would happen if we enlarge the population of England & Wales to the same population size of USA?

In that supersized England/Wales, only 336 people would have lost their life by a gun.

Compare this figure to the 10,177 of USA and then you should understand that a lot can be done.

[Bunyippie]

the thinking "IF we get rid of guns, then the violence stops" is quite flawed. Tell me, in the UK, where its hard to get a gun, do murders still occur? Yes they do.

No one said that you would kill all killings when you kill guns.

In 2006, England & Wales had 50 people murdered by guns.
USA had 10,177 people murdered by guns.

You could scream: "That's not fair, USA is much bigger!"

So what would happen if we enlarge the population of England & Wales to the same population size of USA?

In that supersized England/Wales, only 336 people would have lost their life by a gun.

Compare this figure to he 10,177 of USA and then you should understand that a lot can be done.

its not just guns
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm
http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/uttar-pradesh-the-land-of-la-tamancha-economy-and-politics-livemintcom/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership
in Yemen, over half the populace has guns, yet the murder rate is lower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
So can we please get rid of this straw man?

[Wecfop]

Don't blame it on bullying. The bully did not arm the kid nor did he frce him to kill anyone. It is the parent and schools fault that they should of watched thieir kids mental state better yet have a gun.

[Hairless Kitten II]

the thinking "IF we get rid of guns, then the violence stops" is quite flawed. Tell me, in the UK, where its hard to get a gun, do murders still occur? Yes they do.

No one said that you would kill all killings when you kill killing guns.

In 2006, England & Wales had 59 people murdered by guns.
USA had 10,177 people murdered by guns.

You could scream: "That's not fair, USA is much bigger!"

So what would happen if we enlarge the population of England & Wales to the same population size of USA?

In that supersized England/Wales, only 336 people would have lost their life by a gun.

Compare this figure to the 10,177 of USA and then you should understand that a lot can be done.

its not just guns
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm
http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/uttar-pradesh-the-land-of-la-tamancha-economy-and-politics-livemintcom/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership
in Yemen, over half the populace has guns, yet the murder rate is lower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
So can we please get rid of this straw man?

You Switzerland link is having outdated information. I already provided more update data about Switzerland
Your second one is a blog....

And about Yemen, where is written in your provided links that the murder rate is lower in that country?

And while we are talking about Yemen;

Firearm ban decreases Yemen’s crime rate
http://www.yobserver.com/news-varieties/10013289.html

Yemen intensifies war against guns
...
Mr Qawsi said the number of gun-related crimes had dropped 39 per cent in the first four months of the campaign.

He also said the number of people found carrying arms decreased by 85 per cent in the same period and 136,191 guns had been seized.
...
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20080 ... ofile=1011

[Wunghnu]

The schools. No schools = no school shootings.

[Hairless Kitten II]

The schools. No schools = no school shootings.

No School = No Education = No Work = Higher criminality = Lots of guns = Many shootings.

And don't start moaning about home schooling, since most people are not able to teach, nor do they have the time.

[Andaluciae]

In the case of suburban school shootings, the cause is almost always associated with mental disorders, I doubt bullying has anything significant to do with it.

In the case of the far more common urban school shootings, it's gang violence.

[Andaluciae]

The schools. No schools = no school shootings.

No School = No Education = No Work = Higher criminality = Lots of guns = Many shootings.

And don't start moaning about home schooling, since most people are not able to teach, nor do they have the time.

I understand your causal relationship up until "=Lot's of guns". Doesn't necessarily seem to form a causal link between the former and the latter.