Opinions on Barack Obama

[Agritum]

....did you see any advocacy for workers to seize the methods of production in that post, by chance?

You're thinking of communism. Socialism is when the government seizes the methods of production in order to give control over to the workers.

Actually, that's still Socialism. Communism, other than implementing Socialism, also advocates for a classless society.

[Divair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVr3EfB_z8

Holy shit that was loud. Was I wrong or right? I can't tell.

Wrong. Communism is when you remove the state, you remove classes, and you remove currencies while instituting workplace democracy. It is a type of socialism. Socialism in general just means there is workplace democracy. It can either be privatized or state-controlled, it doesn't matter.

[Agymnum]

Holy shit that was loud. Was I wrong or right? I can't tell.

Wrong. Communism is when you remove the state, you remove classes, and you remove currencies while instituting workplace democracy. It is a type of socialism. Socialism in general just means there is workplace democracy. It can either be privatized or state-controlled, it doesn't matter.

Ah, thanks for correcting me.

[Uiiop]

He's better than bush at least only a little bit.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Careful now. That's a drone hovering by your house.

I'd give it another one to three administrations before that becomes a real possibility, but, thanks to both Obama and Bush 43, it's looking like the door is certainly opening to that now.

So I'm assuming the 7th bombing Jakarta is gonna be a thing in four administrations,

[Choronzon]

That is so socialist, it killed my cat.

Not really, in many ways Obama is to the right of even Bush Sr.

Sure he is.

[Robertsonstan]

The GOP refuses to work with him, the Democrats would defend him to the end of time. Political deadlock has been caused over incredibly divise policies.

The President doesn't want to work with Republicans either. All he wants is for the Democrats to win back the house and as of right they have no chance and the democrats are actually going to lose some seats. And the is a great chance that the Democrats will lose the senate, too.

Also, Harry Reid is allowing for anything to get down in the Senate.

[Lantianguo]

Careful now. That's a drone hovering by your house.

*knock knock*

It's the NSA!

Remember, when Bush is in power, dragnet-style mass surveillance is Orwellian, but when it's Obama, well, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, right?!

[Balistan]

He didn't sellout after he was elected. Continuing the Bush policies was the plan even when he was talking about "change".
Also, arming foreign muslim extremist mercenaries to destroy Libya and Syria.

[Choronzon]

The GOP refuses to work with him, the Democrats would defend him to the end of time. Political deadlock has been caused over incredibly divise policies.

The President doesn't want to work with Republicans either.

Well, not since he realized it was a lost cause anyway.

All he wants is for the Democrats to win back the house and as of right they have no chance and the democrats are actually going to lose some seats. And the is a great chance that the Democrats will lose the senate, too.

Republicans said that last election too.

Then it was they who lost seats.

[The Andromeda Islands]

Barack Obama would be considered Center-Right in most countries. Only in America could Obama be considered both a Communist and a Nazi by a significant segment of the population.

My personal opinion is that Obama is better than George W. Bush & that he means well. Neither is a ringing endorsement of the man.

[Agymnum]

The President doesn't want to work with Republicans either.

Well that may be because a lot of Republicans are bat-shit crazy, but... There's a few sane ones, I think. Hard to find, but there have to be. Somewhere.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

That is so socialist, it killed my cat.

....did you see any advocacy for workers to seize the methods of production in that post, by chance?

. . . .

. . . .

Yes.

The workers jumped out of my computer and beat my cat to death.

[Welsh Cowboy]

*knock knock*

It's the NSA!

Remember, when Bush is in power, dragnet-style mass surveillance is Orwellian, but when it's Obama, well, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, right?!

I think when he got in office, he realized that intelligence measures do have some positive results. He lost some of his idealism.

[Aldheim]

In all honesty, it is too soon to tell, but as it stands I've generally liked him.


Obama is a moderate Democrat, who would have liked to have done more domestically but did not anticipate how obstructionist the Republicans would be, and how changing the culture of washington is really beyond his control. Although it is not perfect, his healthcare reform is one of the largest progressive victories since the great society. Most of the rest of his domestic agenda has stalled out, but there is still time left, and it's not really his fault anyway.

I'm wasn't a big fan of his original gun control proposal, but the compromise version(which is essentially just background checks) is much more appealing thought it unfortunately won't get anywhere. He is perhaps a bit more hawkish than I would like, but my main concern was the time it took him to get us out of Iraq, however the intervention in Libya as well as his continued use of drones didn't bother me very much.I'm also glad he came out in support of Gay marriage.

I wish he'd do more about climate change, but again I think congress is to blame for inaction on this.



I'm not going to pretend he's perfect, but anyone who says he's the same as Bush hasn't been paying attention.

[Libertarian California]

>Some disapproves of Obama or makes an honest comparison of him to Bush

>Is called edgy in a mocking tone


Seems to sum things up here.

[Acaronia]

Obama is just a cog in the machine, when he is too unpopular, he will be thrown under the bus for Hillary

[Divair]

Obama is just a cog in the machine, when he is too unpopular, he will be thrown under the bus for Hillary

You mean when he runs out of terms?..

[Dragomere]

The democratic party will get a majority in the house and senate. They will also win the presidency.

Reasons:
1) There is a tear in the republican party that would cause the democrats to win the presidency,
2) The republican party is pissing of the people that they need to win votes, and
3) More people are becoming democrats than republicans.

[Robertsonstan]

The President doesn't want to work with Republicans either.

Well, not since he realized it was a lost cause anyway.

All he wants is for the Democrats to win back the house and as of right they have no chance and the democrats are actually going to lose some seats. And the is a great chance that the Democrats will lose the senate, too.

Republicans said that last election too.

Then it was they who lost seats.

The republicans would have won back the senate if it wasnt for Akin and Murdock.

[Phocidaea]

That is so socialist, it killed my cat.

Not really, in many ways Obama is to the right of even Bush Sr.

Sounds of the city on Capitol Hill
Where I question if what I'm seeing here is real
Cowboy boots doing lines at the bar
Where the time goes slow when you're drinking PBR

Aight, that's enough winger-bashing.

[Belligerent Alcoholics]

I'd give it another one to three administrations before that becomes a real possibility, but, thanks to both Obama and Bush 43, it's looking like the door is certainly opening to that now.

So I'm assuming the 7th bombing Jakarta is gonna be a thing in four administrations,

Bush all but got rid of the Fourth and Eighth Amendments in total and part of the Fifth, and Obama's doing the same with the Sixth and what of the Fifth Bush didn't kill. To say it's going to happen for sure is going too far, but if it does happen, it oughtn't be a surprise.

[4years]

Rabid right-wing dog/corporate whore. Obama is just another war criminal bought and paid for by the capitalists who really control America.

Out of interest, how?

Obama surrounded himself with conservative advisors— many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. These advisors include the articects of the economic collapse. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He extended Bush tax cuts, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap, and sacrificed further American jobs with free trade deals after appearing skeptical of FTDs during the 2008 elections. He expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, premited key provisions of the Patriot Act if remain in place, allowed increased drilling even after the BP oil spill, and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks considerably rightward of European Conservative leaders.
2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, however his first choice for Secretary of Health was aman who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. In 2012 the President made references to economic justice, while appointing a former Citigroup executive as his new chief of staff.
And don't forget his offers to cut social security and privatize the TVA.

Edit: Add NSA spying, refusal to acknowledge Maduro's victory in Venzuela's presidential elections, and support for the military takeover in Honduras. As well as college loan interest rates doubling and his failure to support same sex marriage throughout his first term.

[Choronzon]

Well, not since he realized it was a lost cause anyway.

Republicans said that last election too.

Then it was they who lost seats.

The republicans would have won back the senate if it wasnt for Akin and Murdock.

Source?

Also, those are only two candidates.

[Nansurium]

Barack Obama is perhaps the weakest President we've had since the 19th century. He has accomplished almost nothing except for countless scandals (Guns Walking, Benghazi, IRS, Media Probe, NSA, Solyndra) and ObamaCare, which we now know will significantly increase the cost of healthcare for all but the poorest Americans. His Foreign policy is pathetic and unprincipled. He has spent more and cost more than any other President in history. I can't remember the last time he has mentioned addressing unemployment. He was reelected without running on an agenda and now, halfway through his second term, he is already a lame duck with no hope of regaining enough political capital in Washington to accomplish anything beyond immigration reform. He is betting his presidency on winning the house in 2014 and he will lose.