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What do you think of Barack Obama so far?

Best President ever!
11
3%
I like him, but he's not amazing.
118
28%
No opinion/neutral.
29
7%
Disapprove.
130
31%
He's an evil baby-eating communist!
60
14%
Mixed opinions.
48
11%
I'll give you an opinion when his term is up, dammit!
28
7%
 
Total votes : 424

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Trelso
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Founded: Jul 06, 2013
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Postby Trelso » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:59 pm

Gonna draw considerable ire from many, many, people with this I expect, but I personally think he has done no better or worse than Bush, I am drawing on an outsiders perspective, where we get to see (slightly, if we dig enough) less politically fuelled idiocy. Bush may have been an arse, a warmonger and many other things, but you know what? he didn't do -that- badly as an actual administrator (he saved your automotive industry for starters, which proved a rather useful thing to have once Japans started to have their brakes fell off when you used them)

Obama... His heart is definitely in the right place, at another time he probably would have made an excellent politician. At the moment? his policies abroad seem even more erratic than Bush's (which is REALLY saying something), his domestic policies seem to fail, or in some cases seem to be a little out of touch with what Americans want (I can't remember a specific example, but lets face it, he had a key hand in the espionage behind the recent Snowden scandal, regardless of what people think of said scandal, and his drug war policies has caused him heaps of trouble)

As stated, that's a foreign (British) view. Ironically, I'm running off of mostly anti-Bush propaganda because most of my friends in America hate the Republicans; so logic actually would dictate Bush was probably slightly better (except, applying logic to politics is like hammering a nail into your forehead, it's not smart, and it's going to hurt like hell.)

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Postby Dalmacie » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:59 pm

Not the best, not the worst.

Could have been better. Mostly though, I blame his failure at his naïveté, for actually believing that he would be able to work with the Republicans back when the Democrats had the House in 2008~2010.

Other than that, most of the policies that people are angry about are things that I don't really care about.

Drones: Whatever. Guantanamo: Not good, but it's not going to damn him in my book. Healthcare plan: Not the best, but better than before. Etc.

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Postby Divair » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:59 pm

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:

I've been to that website. Any particular amazing things you had in mind?

Most of the things on that site. Specifically things like healthcare reform,the repeal of DADT, support for SSM, regulation of the financial industry (although not as far as I'd like him to go), repealed Bush's policies of suppressing stem cell research (sounds minor, but stem cell research can lead to major developments), started cutting down on the military budget, funded renewable energy research, prevented a depression via the stimulus package, appointed the first Chief Technology Officer, funded private spaceflight...


I could go on for a while.

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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:03 pm

Divair wrote:
Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:I've been to that website. Any particular amazing things you had in mind?

Most of the things on that site. Specifically things like healthcare reform,the repeal of DADT, support for SSM, regulation of the financial industry (although not as far as I'd like him to go), repealed Bush's policies of suppressing stem cell research (sounds minor, but stem cell research can lead to major developments), started cutting down on the military budget, funded renewable energy research, prevented a depression via the stimulus package, appointed the first Chief Technology Officer, funded private spaceflight...


I could go on for a while.


I'll admit, the first two I got (appointing more gays to high-level positions, spending a few billion on a stimulus package) didn't really strike me as amazing, but then I got:

"Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years"

And that turned my head.
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Postby Finium » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:03 pm

Trelso wrote:Applying logic to politics is like hammering a nail into your forehead, it's not smart, and it's going to hurt like hell.


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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:04 pm

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:04 pm

Bush on foreign policy with none of the criticism. Typical executive power-hoarding that has become a hallmark of presidents. Domestic policy is meh.

On the bright side, socially he's got a few bright spots. Or at least does now that he's decided to support same-sex marriage and gays in general.

Overall it's fucking terrible to me but relative to other presidents we've had in the last half-century? Meh.
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Postby Divair » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:04 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Divair wrote:Most of the things on that site. Specifically things like healthcare reform,the repeal of DADT, support for SSM, regulation of the financial industry (although not as far as I'd like him to go), repealed Bush's policies of suppressing stem cell research (sounds minor, but stem cell research can lead to major developments), started cutting down on the military budget, funded renewable energy research, prevented a depression via the stimulus package, appointed the first Chief Technology Officer, funded private spaceflight...


I could go on for a while.


I'll admit, the first two I got (appointing more gays to high-level positions, spending a few billion on a stimulus package) didn't really strike me as amazing, but then I got:

"Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years"

And that turned my head.

There are sources for every claim on that site, if you don't believe it at first.

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Founded: Jul 05, 2013
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Postby Belligerent Alcoholics » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:05 pm

Finium wrote:
Trelso wrote:Applying logic to politics is like hammering a nail into your forehead, it's not smart, and it's going to hurt like hell.

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Agymnum
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:06 pm

Divair wrote:There are sources for every claim on that site, if you don't believe it at first.


My concern wasn't really not believing Obama could make so many jobs, more that Bush was actually that bad. I mean, I'm not trying to piss on Obama's parade or anything, but I don't remember the Bush era being that horrible that Obama could surpass job creation in one year.

Maybe I was just insulated from the recession.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:06 pm

Meh. He's definitely to my left economically, but more moderate than some of the Democrats. Socially he's way too moderate, and I like that he has a backbone on foreign policy but I don't think that justifies his continuation of Bush-era domestic spying.

In some ways, especially on domestic surveillance, he's almost as bad as Bush, if not worse. But in other areas, such as social policy, he's definitely better, but still way too moderate.
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Founded: Jan 27, 2013
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Postby Lantianguo » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:07 pm

Densaner wrote:Bought and paid for. Just like the rest.

Strongly agree with that. He's just the next in line of people who, assuming good intentions, went in trying to change the system, but ultimately the system changed them. He has looked over the strengthening of the system by cracking down on privacy and freedoms and expanding the police/surveillance/military industrial complexes, and ensuring the wealthy can easier rob the rest of us until the pool runs dry, and then live a better life whilst the rest of us and the next generation live to scavenge the remnants, whilst throwing same-sex marriage and gun control to placate his base and conveniently overlook the fact they're being robbed of their pensions and paycheck by the very donors who give to his campaign.

What's sad is that we liberals tend to be more sane at opposing the state's encroachment over our liberties (IMO), but just because the man in charge hilariously still claims to represent us, even if, in far more cases than otherwise, he's identical to Bush on the major issues, we are much less vigilant in keeping up. I have literally no doubt if John McCain had done most of the stuff Obama has done, I would find it much less difficult to find other liberals and left-wingers getting up-in-arms over it.
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Founded: Mar 14, 2013
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:07 pm

Similar to W. except he appeals to liberals. So, not good.

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Duvniask
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Founded: Aug 30, 2012
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Postby Duvniask » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:09 pm

Meh, he's alright.
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:09 pm

Duvniask wrote:Meh, he's alright.

This seems to be the prevailing opinion.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:13 pm

I don't approve of the majority of his actions, but I seldom approve of the actions committed by those capable of being elected president in America. As far as presidents go, he's okay.
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Postby Choronzon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:16 pm

Once he suspends the constitution and declares himself El Presidente for life like the Tea Party has been telling me hes been planning all along, it wont matter what I think of him.

But I can think of far worse Presidents for life.

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Zonolia
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Postby Zonolia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:16 pm

He's a typical mediocre president...nothing special...

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...so how long until the typical NSG "Thanks Obama" .gif spam? Usually starts 'bout now...
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Postby Divair » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:17 pm

Choronzon wrote:Once he suspends the constitution and declares himself El Presidente for life like the Tea Party has been telling me hes been planning all along, it wont matter what I think of him.

But I can think of far worse Presidents for life.

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Postby Ainin » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:18 pm

Meh. Not a big fan of any US President, but he's done an OK job so far.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:18 pm

"He's an evil baby-eating communist!"

where's my he's an evil worker-oppressing capitalist pig dog option
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:18 pm

Divair wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Once he suspends the constitution and declares himself El Presidente for life like the Tea Party has been telling me hes been planning all along, it wont matter what I think of him.

But I can think of far worse Presidents for life.

Tropico 4 come to life.


Remember, vote El Presidente!

OR ELSE
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Postby Phocidaea » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:20 pm

Threlizdun wrote:I don't approve of the majority of his actions, but I seldom approve of the actions committed by those capable of being elected president in America. As far as presidents go, he's okay.

Where's that guy who posts pictures of PBR when you need him?

For that matter, I can't find my own picture of The Edge.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:20 pm

Divair wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Once he suspends the constitution and declares himself El Presidente for life like the Tea Party has been telling me hes been planning all along, it wont matter what I think of him.

But I can think of far worse Presidents for life.

Tropico 4 come to life.

So does that make Joe Biden Penultimo the toucan-worshipping revolutionary?
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Postby Divair » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:20 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Divair wrote:Tropico 4 come to life.


Remember, vote El Presidente!

OR ELSE

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