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What languages do you speak?

Iberian (Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, etc...)
28
12%
Semitic languages and other Middle Easter Languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, Turkish, Farsi, etc...)
12
5%
French, French Creoles, Italian, Sicilian
41
18%
German/Dutch
45
20%
Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, Wu, etc...)
8
4%
Asian Indian languages (Hindi, Punjabi, Bengali, etc...)
7
3%
East European Languages (Russian, Polish, Romanian, Greek, etc...)
23
10%
Japanese or Korean
10
4%
Nordic languages (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Finnish)
17
7%
And of course, other (Please explain)
37
16%
 
Total votes : 228

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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:22 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
HorusLand wrote:That is a GREAT idea. Infinite poll answers, instead of in a poll, in the OP itself!
Yay!


I never said anything about including all options in the OP.

Also, the answers are not infinite. Unless there is an infinite amount of languages :p

Technically infinite. I was referring to any poll with more than 10 options.
I once started a ''best country'' thread that way, with another person. An option for every country. XD

So, people vote, and someone (OP) manually counts them. Right?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:23 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Risottia wrote:The list quoted in the wiki disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_lan ... _of_Altaic

That's a misrepresentation. "Major critics" are people that have openly spoken out against the theory, not just linguists who disagree with it/support Korean's status as a language isolate.

Fine.

Got moar sources on the issue?
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:24 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Camelza wrote:You'll have to ignore some quite important linguistic groups, unfortunately.
But, it would be better if languges were put among their other related languges and not by region.


Why not: Screw poll. People will just answer in posts?

Or, let the poll cater to the NS demographic and focus on Romance and Germanic languages with the less likely options all grouped together?

I like your first idea better.
Anyway, polls are just a thread luxury and they tend to be highly inaccurate.

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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:24 am

Risottia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Doesn't threadjacking mean stealing a thread? O.o

You can't "steal" a thread. It means derailing it. Going off-topic if you prefer.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52483&p=2190737#p2190735

Anyway, the truth is the truth. However much you get angry about it.

I'm not getting angry. Quit making things up.

You're obviously not angry.
And I was only partially going off-topic. We are talking about grouping un-related nations together here, right?
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:25 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Risottia wrote:The list quoted in the wiki disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_lan ... _of_Altaic

That's a misrepresentation. "Major critics" are people that have openly spoken out against the theory, not just linguists who disagree with it/support Korean's status as a language isolate.

And there are more altaicists than the critics.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:25 am

Camelza wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Okay.

First of all, you have to understand the French have two verbs for "to know": one, "to know (people)" and another "to know (knowledge)". You used "connaître", which is the former; you wanted "savoir".

Secondly, you conjugated the verb incorrectly. You used the "ais" ending, or the first person singular indicative. You should've used the second person plural indicative with "vous", the polite/plural form of "you". Taking into account "savoir" is an irregular verb, the correct conjugation would have been "savez".

Thirdly, you botched something with "de" and capitalised "français" (and left off the cedilla).

So, a correct sentence would be:

"Je crois que vous savez plus français que moi."

Knox, tu es un national-socialiste de grammaire.

Qu'est-ce que je suis devenu?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:25 am

HorusLand wrote:
Risottia wrote:You can't "steal" a thread. It means derailing it. Going off-topic if you prefer.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52483&p=2190737#p2190735


I'm not getting angry. Quit making things up.

You're obviously not angry.
And I was only partially going off-topic. We are talking about grouping un-related nations together here, right?

No, we're talking languages.
So, stop threadjacking.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:27 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Knox, tu es un national-socialiste de grammaire.

Qu'est-ce que je suis devenu?[/quote]
I understand many languages well or perfectly. When talking, I say a bunch of gibberish. lol
I understood everything that you and others have said in French until now. :)
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:27 am

Risottia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:You're obviously not angry.
And I was only partially going off-topic. We are talking about grouping un-related nations together here, right?

No, we're talking languages.
So, stop threadjacking.

Okay, then. Care to tell me your real answer through TG?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:28 am

Risottia wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:That's a misrepresentation. "Major critics" are people that have openly spoken out against the theory, not just linguists who disagree with it/support Korean's status as a language isolate.

Fine.

Got moar sources on the issue?

I'll have a look.

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:That's a misrepresentation. "Major critics" are people that have openly spoken out against the theory, not just linguists who disagree with it/support Korean's status as a language isolate.

And there are more altaicists than the critics.

And? Did you read the post you just quoted?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:28 am

Risottia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Doesn't threadjacking mean stealing a thread? O.o

You can't "steal" a thread. It means derailing it. Going off-topic if you prefer.



*sighs* In the old days you could steal a thread. Or at least, you could steal the OP :D
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:30 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Risottia wrote:Fine.

Got moar sources on the issue?

I'll have a look.

HorusLand wrote:And there are more altaicists than the critics.

And? Did you read the post you just quoted?

I know, but weren't we talking about supporting/disagreeing with that theory?
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:30 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Risottia wrote:You can't "steal" a thread. It means derailing it. Going off-topic if you prefer.



*sighs* In the old days you could steal a thread. Or at least, you could steal the OP :D

Really? How?
Also, by stealing a thread, I meant making a copy of one, and pretending that you made the original.
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Postby Sevakar-Amasia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:32 am

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:33 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I'll have a look.


And? Did you read the post you just quoted?

I know, but weren't we talking about supporting/disagreeing with that theory?

Generally those who support the "language isolate" theory also disagree with the Altaic theory, but they're not recorded there.

Actually, Ris, we could try asking Arch (assuming he's familiar with Eastern Asian languages) because he does seem to be a linguistic expert.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:33 am

HorusLand wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:

*sighs* In the old days you could steal a thread. Or at least, you could steal the OP :D

Really? How?
Also, by stealing a thread, I meant making a copy of one, and pretending that you made the original.


How? The forum software was a bit wonky. It gave replies to a topic an earlier post time then the OP. Hence, such a reply became the OP.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:34 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Camelza wrote:Knox, tu es un national-socialiste de grammaire.

Qu'est-ce que je suis devenu?

Un de nous, Knox, un francophile.

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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:35 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Really? How?
Also, by stealing a thread, I meant making a copy of one, and pretending that you made the original.


How? The forum software was a bit wonky. It gave replies to a topic an earlier post time then the OP. Hence, such a reply became the OP.

Cool.
Was that software Jolt?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:36 am

Camelza wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Qu'est-ce que je suis devenu?

Un de nous, Knox, un francophile.

Je suis anglais jusqu'au bout des ongles!
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Postby Kalosia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:37 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Want me to explain why or do you accept that it's wrong?

Both. I know that it's wrong, and I want to know why, so that I don't make the mistake next time. :p

Same here. I actually translated the second part of my French sentence. It appears I only know enough French vocab to construct simple sentences.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:37 am

HorusLand wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
How? The forum software was a bit wonky. It gave replies to a topic an earlier post time then the OP. Hence, such a reply became the OP.

Cool.
Was that software Jolt?


You spoke its name. Please put a Euro in the donation box.

But yes, that was the forum software.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:39 am

Kalosia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Both. I know that it's wrong, and I want to know why, so that I don't make the mistake next time. :p

Same here. I actually translated the second part of my French sentence. It appears I only know enough French vocab to construct simple sentences.

Oh.
I think that, for me, it's silly that I make so many mistakes. After three years of French.
But I'll surely keep learning until I know it!

By the way, the best way of learning a language is to move there for a few months.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:40 am

HorusLand wrote:
Kalosia wrote:Same here. I actually translated the second part of my French sentence. It appears I only know enough French vocab to construct simple sentences.

Oh.
I think that, for me, it's silly that I make so many mistakes. After three years of French.
But I'll surely keep learning until I know it!

By the way, the best way of learning a language is to move there for a few months.

Indeed. One day, I intend on moving to Japan for at least half a year.
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Postby Kalosia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:42 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Oh.
I think that, for me, it's silly that I make so many mistakes. After three years of French.
But I'll surely keep learning until I know it!

By the way, the best way of learning a language is to move there for a few months.

Indeed. One day, I intend on moving to Japan for at least half a year.

But was my sentence in French correct?

I learn language through song, mostly.
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