NS and Language

[Immoren]

Poll:
#1:Indo-European Language
#2:Indo-Uralic Language
#3:Other
*nods*

[The Blaatschapen]

Nope. Although you can group them according to their scripts:
Devanagari
Bengali-Assamese
Punjabi
That Arabic-like script (I'm not Pakistani so i don't know the name)

Scripts are a bad way to group.
Japanese is an isolate but shares characters with Chinese.
Viatnamease uses the Latin Alphabet but is of a totally different family to French (though it does have a lot of French loanwords).

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

[Chinese Regions]

If most professionals consider it a language isolate, I'm inclined to believe it's a language isolate. A few people who disagree don't really make a difference.

It's like saying the few scientists who disagree with global warming's existence disprove the existence of global warming, despite the overwhelming majority accepting its existence.

Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?

Nope, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are unrelated. They share common writing systems (not so much Korean anymore) and words due to being so close.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Peut-être en petit peu de Français, que j'ai appris il ya des années?

Un peu de Francais? Je crois que vous connais plus de Francais de moi.

And I hope I said that right. I only translated two words on Google.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Want me to explain why or do you accept that it's wrong?

[Chinese Regions]

Scripts are a bad way to group.
Japanese is an isolate but shares characters with Chinese.
Viatnamease uses the Latin Alphabet but is of a totally different family to French (though it does have a lot of French loanwords).

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

lolwut

[Camelza]

Scripts are a bad way to group.
Japanese is an isolate but shares characters with Chinese.
Viatnamease uses the Latin Alphabet but is of a totally different family to French (though it does have a lot of French loanwords).

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

Isn't Afrikaans a really mutated form of Dutch?

[Jukraina]

Are Saami and Karelian closer to other languages than Finnish?

Karelian is pretty close to Finnish, closer than Estonian. It's just there's been enough distance between areas they are spoken that they've managed to diverge enough.
Not sure how far apart Sa(a)mi is...

Finnish is closer to Estonian than Sami. Because Sami belongs to Sami languages. and Finnish, Estonian, Karelian belong to Finnic languages/Baltic Finnic. Both language groups Sami languages and Finnic languages/Baltic Finnic belong to Finno-Lappic languages that is subgroup of the Uralic language.

[Horusland]

Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?

Nope, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are unrelated. They share common writing systems (not so much Korean anymore) and words due to being so close.

So, the final question is: What do we do with a maximum of 10 poll options, and that many language groups?

[Chinese Regions]

Poll:
#1:Indo-European Language
#2:Indo-Uralic Language
#3:Other
*nods*

dafuq is Indo-Uralic?

[Immoren]

Karelian is pretty close to Finnish, closer than Estonian. It's just there's been enough distance between areas they are spoken that they've managed to diverge enough.
Not sure how far apart Sa(a)mi is...

Finnish is closer to Estonian than Sami.

I wasn't denying that.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

lolwut

What? Afrikaans is essentially a Dutch dialect.

[Camelza]

Nope, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are unrelated. They share common writing systems (not so much Korean anymore) and words due to being so close.

So, the final question is: What do we do with a maximum of 10 poll options, and that many language groups?

Split the languages by region.

[Souseiseki]

Nope, Chinese, Korean and Japanese are unrelated. They share common writing systems (not so much Korean anymore) and words due to being so close.

So, the final question is: What do we do with a maximum of 10 poll options, and that many language groups?

try and convince everyone to take a free external survey?

[Horusland]

Un peu de Francais? Je crois que vous connais plus de Francais de moi.

And I hope I said that right. I only translated two words on Google.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Want me to explain why or do you accept that it's wrong?

Both. I know that it's wrong, and I want to know why, so that I don't make the mistake next time.

[Immoren]

Poll:
#1:Indo-European Language
#2:Indo-Uralic Language
#3:Other
*nods*

dafuq is Indo-Uralic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Uralic_languages
I forgot it's superior to Indo-European.
Should've said "Uralic "

[The Archregimancy]

I can state with some confidence that Basque has no linguistic relationship to Carthaginian (more accurately Punic).

Basque is a language isolate; even those unsuccessful attempts to link Basque to other family trees that have taken place have never, to the best of my knowledge, attempted to make a link to Semitic languages, or any other branch of the Afro-Asiatic family, but have rather focused on potential links to languages in the Caucasus mountains (several candidates, but any link with Kartvelian languages such as Georgian now wholly discredited), or now-extinct languages spoken in Spain.

Basque grammar and vocabulary bear absolutely no resemblance to Semitic languages. The clearest indication of the lack of any relationship between Basque and Semitic languages is the total lack of Semitic consonantal roots in Basque, such as the s-l-m root that indicates peace/submission in shalom/salaam/Islam/Muslim, and which have been a feature of Semitic languages since Akkadian - in other words, since the advent of writing.

That's why I said it's not certain ...so, is it some godforsaken language that survived since Iberia was invaded by Indo-Europeans?

It's not so much 'not certain' as 'demonstrably false to anyone with even a passing knowledge of historical linguistics'. That perhaps sounds a little abrupt; it's not meant to be, so apologies if it sounds that way.

I'm not sure the Basques would describe their language as 'godforsaken'. Given the lack of definite evidence, the best that can be said about the origin of Basque is that it was spoken along the shores of the Bay of Biscay and the nearby mountains before the Romans arrived; anything beyond that it speculation.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Want me to explain why or do you accept that it's wrong?

Both. I know that it's wrong, and I want to know why, so that I don't make the mistake next time.

I take it you were trying to say "I think you know more French than me"?

[Horusland]

So, the final question is: What do we do with a maximum of 10 poll options, and that many language groups?

Split the languages by region.

And then you have people complaining and trying to reorder them, and then one (Camelza) succeeds at making a list, which has only one problem, so they all decide to split the languages by region.

Now, if you read the sentence I just wrote over and over again, it makes a logical loop.
Of course, I won't accept that. I needz correct groupings.

[Horusland]

Both. I know that it's wrong, and I want to know why, so that I don't make the mistake next time.

I take it you were trying to say "I think you know more French than me"?

Yes.

[Camelza]

dafuq is Indo-Uralic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Uralic_languages
I forgot it's superior to Indo-European.
Should've said "Uralic "

Poll:
#1:Human Language
#2:Huttese
#3:Dalek
*nods*

[Risottia]

Er, OP: Farsi isn't Semitic, it's Indoeuropean!

[The Blaatschapen]

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

lolwut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_Afrikaans

Not to mention, Afrikaans, a Germanic language, is sometimes written in Arabic.

Isn't Afrikaans a really mutated form of Dutch?

You could it that I guess *shrugs*

[Sassinia]

Split the languages by region.

And then you have people complaining and trying to reorder them, and then one (Camelza) succeeds at making a list, which has only one problem, so they all decide to split the languages by region.

Now, if you read the sentence I just wrote over and over again, it makes a logical loop.
Of course, I won't accept that. I needz correct groupings.

Convince Max, or [violet], to code it so that there can be a hundred poll options. Problem solved.

[Horusland]

Er, OP: Farsi isn't Semitic, it's Indoeuropean!

OP is wrong, that has been decided already.
You know that thread with ''Who joins the EU next?'' ? Yeah, you put Moldova with Ukraine and Armenia. That's just wrong.

[Camelza]

That's why I said it's not certain ...so, is it some godforsaken language that survived since Iberia was invaded by Indo-Europeans?

It's not so much 'not certain' as 'demonstrably false to anyone with even a passing knowledge of historical linguistics'. That perhaps sounds a little abrupt; it's not meant to be, so apologies if it sounds that way.

I'm not sure the Basques would describe their language as 'godforsaken'. Given the lack of definite evidence, the best that can be said about the origin of Basque is that it was spoken along the shores of the Bay of Biscay and the nearby mountains before the Romans arrived; anything beyond that it speculation.

I see, thanks for enlightening me.