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What languages do you speak?

Iberian (Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, etc...)
28
12%
Semitic languages and other Middle Easter Languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, Turkish, Farsi, etc...)
12
5%
French, French Creoles, Italian, Sicilian
41
18%
German/Dutch
45
20%
Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, Wu, etc...)
8
4%
Asian Indian languages (Hindi, Punjabi, Bengali, etc...)
7
3%
East European Languages (Russian, Polish, Romanian, Greek, etc...)
23
10%
Japanese or Korean
10
4%
Nordic languages (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Finnish)
17
7%
And of course, other (Please explain)
37
16%
 
Total votes : 228

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:47 am

Camelza wrote:It's not certain ..some believe it's derived from Carthagenian(a Semitic language) ...others say it's older than that(therefore not semitic).


I can state with some confidence that Basque has no linguistic relationship to Carthaginian (more accurately Punic).

Basque is a language isolate; even those unsuccessful attempts to link Basque to other family trees that have taken place have never, to the best of my knowledge, attempted to make a link to Semitic languages, or any other branch of the Afro-Asiatic family, but have rather focused on potential links to languages in the Caucasus mountains (several candidates, but any link with Kartvelian languages such as Georgian now wholly discredited), or now-extinct languages spoken in Spain.

Basque grammar and vocabulary bear absolutely no resemblance to Semitic languages. The clearest indication of the lack of any relationship between Basque and Semitic languages is the total lack of Semitic consonantal roots in Basque, such as the s-l-m root that indicates peace/submission in shalom/salaam/Islam/Muslim, and which have been a feature of Semitic languages since Akkadian - in other words, since the advent of writing.

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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:47 am

Sassinia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:We're solving the problem right now, in the discussion. :)
Camelza has a great re-listing of the languages, in groups.

I still would like for him to mention Bengali. It has a larger native population.

Okay. Other Indo-European (Hindi, Bengali, Armenian, Greek, Albanian).
Is that correct? :)
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:48 am

HorusLand wrote:
Sassinia wrote:I still would like for him to mention Bengali. It has a larger native population.

Okay. Other Indo-European (Hindi, Bengali, Armenian, Greek, Albanian).
Is that correct? :)

Erm, how can Hindi/Bengali go with Greek?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:49 am

HorusLand wrote:

Exactly. Then, you click on ''Altaic languages''. Korean and Japanese are considered by SOME to be Altaic. Others consider it isolate.

If most professionals consider it a language isolate, I'm inclined to believe it's a language isolate. A few people who disagree don't really make a difference.

It's like saying the few scientists who disagree with global warming's existence disprove the existence of global warming, despite the overwhelming majority accepting its existence.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:50 am

And I just found out that my capital name is named after a language, and I invented the name myself, without knowing it.
Cool.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:50 am

Sassinia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Okay. Other Indo-European (Hindi, Bengali, Armenian, Greek, Albanian).
Is that correct? :)

Erm, how can Hindi/Bengali go with Greek?

OTHER Indo-European Languages. Key word = other.
Other as in everything that isn't in the other poll options, because they have no poll option in which they belong.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:51 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Camelza wrote:It's not certain ..some believe it's derived from Carthagenian(a Semitic language) ...others say it's older than that(therefore not semitic).


I can state with some confidence that Basque has no linguistic relationship to Carthaginian (more accurately Punic).

Basque is a language isolate; even those unsuccessful attempts to link Basque to other family trees that have taken place have never, to the best of my knowledge, attempted to make a link to Semitic languages, or any other branch of the Afro-Asiatic family, but have rather focused on potential links to languages in the Caucasus mountains (several candidates, but any link with Kartvelian languages such as Georgian now wholly discredited), or now-extinct languages spoken in Spain.

Basque grammar and vocabulary bear absolutely no resemblance to Semitic languages. The clearest indication of the lack of any relationship between Basque and Semitic languages is the total lack of Semitic consonantal roots in Basque, such as the s-l-m root that indicates peace/submission in shalom/salaam/Islam/Muslim, and which have been a feature of Semitic languages since Akkadian - in other words, since the advent of writing.

That's why I said it's not certain ...so, is it some godforsaken language that survived since Iberia was invaded by Indo-Europeans?
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:51 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Exactly. Then, you click on ''Altaic languages''. Korean and Japanese are considered by SOME to be Altaic. Others consider it isolate.

If most professionals consider it a language isolate, I'm inclined to believe it's a language isolate. A few people who disagree don't really make a difference.

It's like saying the few scientists who disagree with global warming's existence disprove the existence of global warming, despite the overwhelming majority accepting its existence.

Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?
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Postby Kalosia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 am

I was raised speaking 2 languages, English, and Bahasa Indonesia karena saya memang orang Indonesia. Också kan jag talar Svensk, a učim Srpski, ili Srspko-Hrvatski. Peut-être en petit peu de Français, que j'ai appris il ya des années?

But basically, English, Indonesian, Swedish.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 am

HorusLand wrote:
Sassinia wrote:Erm, how can Hindi/Bengali go with Greek?

OTHER Indo-European Languages. Key word = other.
Other as in everything that isn't in the other poll options, because they have no poll option in which they belong.

Greek is Hellenic.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 am

baQa'

So few Chinese speakers.

btw I thought Spanish was more widely spoken than French?
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:If most professionals consider it a language isolate, I'm inclined to believe it's a language isolate. A few people who disagree don't really make a difference.

It's like saying the few scientists who disagree with global warming's existence disprove the existence of global warming, despite the overwhelming majority accepting its existence.

Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?

Hm. I wish NS gave more than 10, at least 15.
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
THE KINGDOM OF SASSINIA
Head of State: King Ireni Murd
Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
RP Military: 31,000,000 active, 34,000,000 reserve
Tech: MT
Map
12 [3] 4 5
Increased readiness

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:53 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:If most professionals consider it a language isolate, I'm inclined to believe it's a language isolate. A few people who disagree don't really make a difference.

It's like saying the few scientists who disagree with global warming's existence disprove the existence of global warming, despite the overwhelming majority accepting its existence.

Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?

How about Western European then? There's nothing wrong with grouping together French and German, right? They're all Indo-European.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:53 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
HorusLand wrote:OTHER Indo-European Languages. Key word = other.
Other as in everything that isn't in the other poll options, because they have no poll option in which they belong.

Greek is Hellenic.

And Hellenic is where on the poll, exactly?
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Postby Immoren » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:54 am

HorusLand wrote:
Immoren wrote:
They are related enough that I recognize some familiarity, but separate enough that I don't understand Saami at all and Karelian language only partially.

Are Saami and Karelian closer to other languages than Finnish?


Karelian is pretty close to Finnish, closer than Estonian. It's just there's been enough distance between areas they are spoken that they've managed to diverge enough.
Not sure how far apart Sa(a)mi is...
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:54 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Okay.
But isn't East Asian good? All languages from East Asia?
What else can be done to put them into 10 options?

How about Western European then? There's nothing wrong with grouping together French and German, right? They're all Indo-European.

This poll is impossible. Impossible.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:54 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Greek is Hellenic.

And Hellenic is where on the poll, exactly?

Too few poll options.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:56 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
HorusLand wrote:OTHER Indo-European Languages. Key word = other.
Other as in everything that isn't in the other poll options, because they have no poll option in which they belong.

Greek is Hellenic.

In Greek this would translate as: Ta Ellinika einai Ellinika/Greek is Greek
In other words its a single language family(split into dialects, not different languages) ...with some connections to Armenian, but that's rather uncertain.
So, other will do fine.
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:56 am

Kalosia wrote:Peut-être en petit peu de Français, que j'ai appris il ya des années?

Un peu de Francais? Je crois que vous connais plus de Francais de moi.

And I hope I said that right. I only translated two words on Google. :p
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:57 am



Bihari should be colored red, however.
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
THE KINGDOM OF SASSINIA
Head of State: King Ireni Murd
Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
RP Military: 31,000,000 active, 34,000,000 reserve
Tech: MT
Map
12 [3] 4 5
Increased readiness

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:57 am

Sassinia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Nope. We can't have 5 poll options for all those. We can only have 10 poll options in total.
Do all these have a common name, if not Indian?

Nope. Although you can group them according to their scripts:
Devanagari
Bengali-Assamese
Punjabi
That Arabic-like script (I'm not Pakistani so i don't know the name)

Scripts are a bad way to group.
Japanese is an isolate but shares characters with Chinese.
Viatnamease uses the Latin Alphabet but is of a totally different family to French (though it does have a lot of French loanwords).
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Postby Immoren » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:57 am

Also there's Karelian language and Karelian dialect. :P
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:57 am

Camelza wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Greek is Hellenic.

In Greek this would translate as: Ta Ellinika einai Ellinika/Greek is Greek
In other words its a single language family(split into dialects, not different languages) ...with some connections to Armenian, but that's rather uncertain.

Best logic we have: Put the first few into groups, stick the rest into the ''other'' option.
:(
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:58 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
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don't be the trade off is that i can hardly say hello

Don't you know, like, 800 kanji?


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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:58 am


It's so sad that none of those can go into the poll.
I like Indian languages. Wait, did you say INDIAN languages?
Bam. Indian languages. No need to split them more. Mmkay?
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